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9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims

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Some of you may have heard about these series of questions and I was wondering how the folks at the JREF forums would answer them. Let me get the ball rolling:

1. What to ask: Could you please provide one double-blind, placebo-controlled study that can prove the safety and effectiveness of vaccines?
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I've found three so far:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18448211

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20018364

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa061741

I would assume that the first question is answered. I'll leave the rest for the other forum members.
 
But there is a problem with your response. Did those studies _really_ "prove the safety" of vaccines? I mean, there might have actually been people in the vaccine group who had a negative outcomes (related to the vaccine or not, but that never stops deceit) and they just go to show that aha! Vaccines aren't 100% safe.

QED
 
Gotta love some stupid questions:
Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?



They have never heard of polio or small pox.
 
Dancing David said:
Gotta love some stupid questions:
Could you please provide scientific evidence which can prove that disease reduction in any part of the world, at any point in history was attributable to inoculation of populations?



They have never heard of polio or small pox.
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Ah, but see, those were becaue of improved sanitation, doncha know.

These things are simply exercises in goal post chasing...usually not worth the time to bother with. Answering them can help correct misinformation for peopel who come across the anti-vax propoganda while legitimately looking for information...but usually that's not the case :)
 
Well, I can point to at least some of their questions as being "red herrings"...

5. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification as to how injecting a human being with a confirmed neurotoxin is beneficial to human health and prevents disease?

Nobody claimed that injecting a neurotoxin prevents disease. However, its accurate to say that at low doses (such as that that contained in vaccines) is neither helpful nor harmful. (The neurotoxin has nothing to do with the immunity response. The fact that they would even mention it shows their scientific ignorance.)

8. What to ask: Could you please provide scientific justification on how a vaccine would prevent viruses from mutating?

I don't think its ever been claimed that vaccines prevent all mutations.

(I could point out that in a vaccinated population, the virus would have fewer hosts and as such, less opportunity to produce mutated viral descendants, but that's a secondary point.)
 
I've found another study to add to the other three for my first post:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20439572


Now, the fact that vaccines are not 100% safe is a well known fact. However, and this should be obvious for most of us, keep in mind that safety hazards can arise from many factors including doctors making mistakes, or that the needles are dirty, or that the nurse mislabeled the perscription or whatever, or that the person was alergic to whatever was in the vaccine itself (which is why most doctors would ask if you have any alergies) etc.

Of course, IF , and that's a very big "if", those are valid reasons for the anti-vaccination lobby to ban vaccines then, why not acupuncture? That involves the use of needles and practicioners who could make mistakes. Or how about peanut butter? People are alergic to that.
 
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Almo said:
I weep in despair about the state of education in my fellow humans.
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The non vaxers might undergo a Darwinian solution but there would be collateral damage.
 
I suppose that killing off all your offspring is one way to get a living Darwin award?
 
These are not questions that stump scientific evidence based medical providers. These are like the supposed challenges to evolution theory, bad science challenges that have been answered ad nauseum but continue to make the Creationism circuits no matter how many times the questions have been addressed. This equivalent anti-vaxer nonsense sounds good to believers so they believe the questions actually can't be answered even when said believers are looking right at the answers.
 
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