9/11 Truth Conversion And Mid-Life Crisis

[Walter Ego]

Jonathan Kay, author of the recently published Among The Truthers:

[A] surprisingly large number of conspiracy theorists [I met] were middle age men who had come to their beliefs very radically and suddenly. And the -- perhaps, the best example is Richard Gage, who is one of the leading 911 conspiracy theorists. He's a guy who lives in California. He was -- for two decades he had been an architect working on retail malls mostly. And then, I think it was 2006, he was driving along the highway and he heard another 911 conspiracy theorist on the radio, whose name was David Ray Griffin, and all of a sudden he had to pull his car to the side of the road because just, as he describes it, the truth just hit him about 911.

And from that day forward, he gradually -- he quit being an architect and he started traveling the world telling people that 911 was an inside job. He lost his family. He lost his house. He now lives in an apartment. He has a completely new set of friends. He lives life mostly on the Internet corresponding with his admirers. He has completely changed his life over. And I've met several men like him and, for these people, a lot of it is just this idea that conventional life, conventional reality, as they know it, is unsatisfying and numbing and they just find this -- they create this entirely new reality for themselves and conspiracism is sort of a trip into this new life.

http://thedianerehmshow.org/shows/2011-05-12/jonathan-kay-among-truthers/transcript

I think the mid-life crisis theory fits Gage and possibly Steven Jones and David Ray Griffin. Can anyone think of any more examples?

 

[Dash80]

I was thinking Judy Wood, but then again she's completely nuts, more to it than a mid-life crisis.

 

[Scott Sommers]

This is Gage he talking about. This is the story Gage gives for his conversion. Griffin and Jones are completely different stories.

I think Kay is wrong and that the number of middle-aged Truthers is not great. Most Truthers would be white men in their 20s. But that all depends what you mean by 'Truther'.

 

[bill smith]

This is Gage he talking about. This is the story Gage gives for his conversion. Griffin and Jones are completely different stories.

I think Kay is wrong and that the number of middle-aged Truthers is not great. Most Truthers would be white men in their 20s. But that all depends what you mean by 'Truther'.

Jonathon Kay should come to the jref to help us Truth people to believe in the government story. We are open to persuasion if the evidence is strong enough.

I think he is right about it being largely elders in society who are convinced that the government carried out 9/11.
As you know, the elders in society are correctly seen as sources of wisdom and experience. Not all of course, but definitely in general.

 

[newton3376]

We are open to persuasion

LOL That's a lie.

if the evidence is strong enough.

LOL That's another lie.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Jonathon Kay should come to the jref to help us Truth people to believe in the government story. We are open to persuasion if the evidence is strong enough.

I think he is right about it being largely elders in society who are convinced that the government carried out 9/11.
As you know, the elders in society are correctly seen as sources of wisdom and experience. Not all of course, but definitely in general.

Ah so its only elders that agree with your woo that you respect......

 

[BStrong]

Jonathon Kay should come to the jref to help us Truth people to believe in the government story. We are open to persuasion if the evidence is strong enough.

I think he is right about it being largely elders in society who are convinced that the government carried out 9/11.

As you know, the elders in society are correctly seen as sources of wisdom and experience. Not all of course, but definitely in general.

Two lies for the price of one?

I know of exactly one truther in my age group, and she was woo inclined long before 9-11-01.

 

[Quad4_72]

I was thinking Judy Wood, but then again she's completely nuts, more to it than a mid-life crisis.

Judy Wood is ill and should seek help. I would not attribute her nonsense to a midlife crisis either. But Gage, that guy definitely had a midlife. Whether or not he still believes his nonsense I don't know, but now he is committed and it would be very embarrassing for him to admit how wrong he is.

 

[RedIbis]

Jonathan Kay, author of the recently published Among The Truthers:



I think the mid-life crisis theory fits Gage and possibly Steven Jones and David Ray Griffin. Can anyone think of any more examples?

Any Twoofer over 45. Under 45, they're still living out their young man rebellion fantasies. Gentile, they're anti-semitic. Jewish, they're self-hating. Muslim, they're anti-American. American, they're treasonous. Lesbian, penis envy. Gay, unresolved daddy issues. See, you can apply your half-baked pop psych just about anywhere.

 

[newton3376]

Any Twoofer over 45. Under 45, they're still living out their young man rebellion fantasies. Gentile, they're anti-semitic. Jewish, they're self-hating. Muslim, they're anti-American. American, they're treasonous. Lesbian, penis envy. Gay, unresolved daddy issues. See, you can apply your half-baked pop psych just about anywhere.

I prefer to group them in one of two categories (some fit both nicely).....

1. Clueless

2. Mentally Unstable

 

[Childlike Empress]

Any Twoofer over 45. Under 45, they're still living out their young man rebellion fantasies. Gentile, they're anti-semitic. Jewish, they're self-hating. Muslim, they're anti-American. American, they're treasonous. Lesbian, penis envy. Gay, unresolved daddy issues. See, you can apply your half-baked pop psych just about anywhere.

Hehe. Don't give him ideas. Kay gets enough money from the neocons to come up with his own tripe.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

See, you can apply your half-baked pop psych just about anywhere.

I hear a lot more pop psych on CT sites than I do from bebunkers.........but what would us sheeple know

 

[The Big Dog]

Any Twoofer over 45. Under 45, they're still living out their young man rebellion fantasies. Gentile, they're anti-semitic. Jewish, they're self-hating. Muslim, they're anti-American. American, they're treasonous. Lesbian, penis envy. Gay, unresolved daddy issues. See, you can apply your half-baked pop psych just about anywhere.

Stawman? Straw man!

Man made of straw? Straw man!

Straw shaped in man form? Straw man!

Remember when just not so long ago you said that our commenting on a specific claim made by the Truthers was a straw man, and I explained that you didn't know what a straw man argument was?

Well you sure as **** know how to use them.

 

[The Big Dog]

Hehe. Don't give him ideas. Kay gets enough money from the neocons to come up with his own tripe.

Ahhh, an ad hominem fallacy, excellent work CE.

Hey, here is an interesting quote to use here: "You are attacking the messenger. Nobody cares." --CE.

And just think yesterday how mad you were when I pointed out the irony of a Pentagon No Planer promoting evidence relating to two hijackers of the plane that was hijacked and crashed into the Pentagon.

 

[bill smith]

Hehe. Don't give him ideas. Kay gets enough money from the neocons to come up with his own tripe.

Very interesting...


''.....Foundation fellows and senior staff are Jonathan Schanzer, Vice President of Research, Khairi Abaza, Senior Fellow, Tony Badran, Research Fellow, Levant, Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, Director, Center for Study of Terrorist Radicalization, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Senior Fellow. Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Military Affairs Fellow, Thomas Joscelyn, Senior Fellow and Co-Chair, Center for Law and Counterterrorism, Jonathan Kay, Visiting Fellow,...''

So he's a neocon ..

 

[The Big Dog]

Very interesting...


''.....Foundation fellows and senior staff are Jonathan Schanzer, Vice President of Research, Khairi Abaza, Senior Fellow, Tony Badran, Research Fellow, Levant, Daveed Gartenstein-Ross, Director, Center for Study of Terrorist Radicalization, Reuel Marc Gerecht, Senior Fellow. Dr. Sebastian Gorka, Military Affairs Fellow, Thomas Joscelyn, Senior Fellow and Co-Chair, Center for Law and Counterterrorism, Jonathan Kay, Visiting Fellow,...''

So he's a neocon ..

Curious, I pointed out that was an ad hominem, and yest Bill went to all that trouble to open up Wikipedia and cut and paste from it.

Thanks Bill, quality post, and very helpful for people who can't click a god damn link on this same page.

 

[bill smith]

Curious, I pointed out that was an ad hominem, and yest Bill went to all that trouble to open up Wikipedia and cut and paste from it.

Thanks Bill, quality post, and very helpful for people who can't click a god damn link on this same page.

Yes, I just wanted to make it easy for them. It's good for people to know that Jonathon Kay is a neocon.

 

[Oz1976]

. We are open to persuasion if the evidence is strong enough.

No you aren't, not one bit. You've been presented with plenty of HARD and supported evidence and you haven't changed one bit. Which is why you're nothing more than a troll. You're not in search of anything but being vague and failing terribly at sarcasm.

 

[Brainster]

This is Gage he talking about. This is the story Gage gives for his conversion. Griffin and Jones are completely different stories.

I think Kay is wrong and that the number of middle-aged Truthers is not great. Most Truthers would be white men in their 20s. But that all depends what you mean by 'Truther'.

Kay was talking about people of some significance in the movement, not the marching blackshirts. For instance, look at those invited to "testify" at the Toronto hearings. Box Boy Gage is the youngest of the males (that picture of Jon Cole is very old).

All of the men shown there fit the "mid-life crisis" stereotype. Some other candidates for mid-life crisis include Webster Tarpley (kicked out of the Lyndon LaRouche movement in the great boomer purge of the 1990s), Dave Von Kleist, Arizona troofers like Blair Gadsby (hunger striker in 2008) and Kent Knudson (suicide in 2009).

 

[Myron Proudfoot]

I think Griffith is too old for that. Wasn't he already retired or close to it when he got into this? he's just very, very gullible...