Nick Terry
Illuminator
Though everyone is familiar with the filiations between American Free Press, Liberty Lobby, Bollyn, Hufschmid, Eric D Williams and the rest of the 9/11 Troof gang with Holocaust denial as a broad current, the fact remains that these people are not regarded as at all significant within the Holocaust denial movement.
Someone pointed out on the 'history of 9/11 Denial' thread that Thierry Meyssen was fed theories by a far-right paper - however there doesn't seem to be a direct connection with the French Holocaust denial milieu. The overlaps seem to be more subtle.
HOWEVER, this is not to say that Holocaust deniers have not bought into 9/11 CTs and published these materials in their pseudo-scientific journals. Many of you will know the name Journal of Historical Review, however this has been defunct since 2002 - had it persisted beyond Volume 21, it would not be surprising if it had peddled 9/11 CTs.
Instead, the centre of gravity shifted over to the website VHO, administered by now-jailed denier Germar Rudolf, and its twin journals The Revisionist and Viertelsjahreshefte fuer freie Geschichtsforschung (Quarterly for Free Historical Research). The Revisionist was set up by veteran US denier Bradley Smith but passed over to Rudolf's control circa 2001-2. Because of Rudolf's extradition for breaching US immigration regulations in 2005, both journals have become largely inactive and have barely completed their 2005 schedules. (This means that Holocaust deniers succeeded in publishing pseudo-scientific journals from 1980 to 2005, an achievement that 9/11 CTs look very unlikely to match.)
So, here are some articles from 2001-2005 published in TR and VffG. Because I have to hold my nose reading through so much Holocaust denial for my research project, I'm a little woo-ed out. I'd really welcome some assistance here.
1. Who are these people?
2. Did they ever resurface elsewhere within the 9/11 Movement?
3. Have their arguments been cited anywhere else?
4. Did they just rip off existing CTs from Meyssen, Buelow etc?
5. Just how dumb are these articles?
Dr. A. Dewdney, 9/11: Terror Attack or Government Fraud? On the Flourishing Conspiracy Theories Surrounding the Attacks on America: Ghost Riders in the Sky · An Alternative 9-11 Scenario, The Revisionist
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/3/Dewdney248-271.html
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2003/3/Dewdney250-275.html (German translation)
According to the article blurb, Dewdney is a Canadian computer scientist who has been published in Scientific American, and a Professor Emeritus of the University of Western Ontario. His email (in 2003) was akd@uwo.ca and his phone number 519 6798 8105 - heck, if they publish them, why not pass them on?
The German version of Dewdney's article recommends Andreas von Buelow's book, which highlights the regionalised nature of the 9/11 CT market in its early years.
Mark Elsis, Stand Down · Was 9/11 Lack of Air Defense Deliberate? TR 2003
http://vho.org/tr/2003/3/Elsis273-284.html
- Haven't read it, but maybe Gumboot can help ID where these arguments came from and/or if they had any impact whatsoever thereafter.
Germar Rudolf, Cell Phone Experiments in Airliners, TR and VffG
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/3/Rudolf271f.html
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2003/3/Rudolf275-277.html
- this is the Revisionist Grand Dragon himself, he doesn't elaborate beyond his 'experiment'. IIRC this article has also found its way onto The Barnes Review and a few other 9/11 sites.
Gregory Douglas, Offene Fragen zu den Terrorangriffen auf die USA, VffG 4/2001
http://vho.org/VffG/2001/4/Douglas440-443.html
- this should have an English equivalent somewhere since Gregory Douglas is an American author, but my indexing isn't perfect. Oliver, could you help out here? The title means 'Open Questions about the Terror Attacks on the USA' and the publication date means it's probably Just Asking Questions. Douglas is a known forger of documents and also has published on the JFK assassination, through Rudolf's publishing house Castle Hill (the title bombed commercially, apparently).
These 3-4 pieces seem to be the most explicitly 9/11 CT. There are also a whole slew of geopolitical commentaries by name Holocaust deniers, often revolving around the civil liberties issues which exercise them very greatly (since they have a remarkable habit of falling afoul of the law for incitement in a number of countries).
Given the dating of these articles - mostly in 2003, more or less all in one issue - and the fact that AFAIK, The Barnes Review has not really tried to peddle 9/11 CTs in contrast to AFP, I could imagine that some sort of decision might have been made by the overt active Holocaust denier cadre, especially by Rudolf, to put a little distance between themselves and the emerging 9/11 Truth movement.
Either that, or they were so distracted that they failed to notice the burgeoning size of the Troofer market. At this stage, I have no real proof either way, whether the leading Holocaust Deniers thought 'man, THIS is craaazy!' when they started noticing 9/11 Truth everywhere, or if they were too obsessed by Israel/the Jews/their legal problems to try to cash in.
That doesn't mean the overlap doesn't exist. While the active producers and progenitors of Holocaust Denial material have not really engaged with 9/11 beyond these few examples above, the consumers of Holocaust Denial and 9/11 CTs significantly overlap, because of the shared interest in anti-Zionist CTs.
What I think is actually more likely is that AFP, Carto and others decided for tactical reasons to put a little clear blue water between 9/11 Truth, which stood a chance of converting a new generation to CTs, and Holocaust denial, which was completely toxic. If for example, Eric Hufschmid had published any articles in The Revisionist, this would have made the linkages too obvious.
Anyway, since the forum is collectively picking over the bones by this stage, it seems worth bringing up what in 9/11 CT terms is probably a trip down memory lane....
Someone pointed out on the 'history of 9/11 Denial' thread that Thierry Meyssen was fed theories by a far-right paper - however there doesn't seem to be a direct connection with the French Holocaust denial milieu. The overlaps seem to be more subtle.
HOWEVER, this is not to say that Holocaust deniers have not bought into 9/11 CTs and published these materials in their pseudo-scientific journals. Many of you will know the name Journal of Historical Review, however this has been defunct since 2002 - had it persisted beyond Volume 21, it would not be surprising if it had peddled 9/11 CTs.
Instead, the centre of gravity shifted over to the website VHO, administered by now-jailed denier Germar Rudolf, and its twin journals The Revisionist and Viertelsjahreshefte fuer freie Geschichtsforschung (Quarterly for Free Historical Research). The Revisionist was set up by veteran US denier Bradley Smith but passed over to Rudolf's control circa 2001-2. Because of Rudolf's extradition for breaching US immigration regulations in 2005, both journals have become largely inactive and have barely completed their 2005 schedules. (This means that Holocaust deniers succeeded in publishing pseudo-scientific journals from 1980 to 2005, an achievement that 9/11 CTs look very unlikely to match.)
So, here are some articles from 2001-2005 published in TR and VffG. Because I have to hold my nose reading through so much Holocaust denial for my research project, I'm a little woo-ed out. I'd really welcome some assistance here.
1. Who are these people?
2. Did they ever resurface elsewhere within the 9/11 Movement?
3. Have their arguments been cited anywhere else?
4. Did they just rip off existing CTs from Meyssen, Buelow etc?
5. Just how dumb are these articles?
Dr. A. Dewdney, 9/11: Terror Attack or Government Fraud? On the Flourishing Conspiracy Theories Surrounding the Attacks on America: Ghost Riders in the Sky · An Alternative 9-11 Scenario, The Revisionist
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/3/Dewdney248-271.html
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2003/3/Dewdney250-275.html (German translation)
According to the article blurb, Dewdney is a Canadian computer scientist who has been published in Scientific American, and a Professor Emeritus of the University of Western Ontario. His email (in 2003) was akd@uwo.ca and his phone number 519 6798 8105 - heck, if they publish them, why not pass them on?
The German version of Dewdney's article recommends Andreas von Buelow's book, which highlights the regionalised nature of the 9/11 CT market in its early years.
Mark Elsis, Stand Down · Was 9/11 Lack of Air Defense Deliberate? TR 2003
http://vho.org/tr/2003/3/Elsis273-284.html
- Haven't read it, but maybe Gumboot can help ID where these arguments came from and/or if they had any impact whatsoever thereafter.
Germar Rudolf, Cell Phone Experiments in Airliners, TR and VffG
http://www.vho.org/tr/2003/3/Rudolf271f.html
http://www.vho.org/VffG/2003/3/Rudolf275-277.html
- this is the Revisionist Grand Dragon himself, he doesn't elaborate beyond his 'experiment'. IIRC this article has also found its way onto The Barnes Review and a few other 9/11 sites.
Gregory Douglas, Offene Fragen zu den Terrorangriffen auf die USA, VffG 4/2001
http://vho.org/VffG/2001/4/Douglas440-443.html
- this should have an English equivalent somewhere since Gregory Douglas is an American author, but my indexing isn't perfect. Oliver, could you help out here? The title means 'Open Questions about the Terror Attacks on the USA' and the publication date means it's probably Just Asking Questions. Douglas is a known forger of documents and also has published on the JFK assassination, through Rudolf's publishing house Castle Hill (the title bombed commercially, apparently).
These 3-4 pieces seem to be the most explicitly 9/11 CT. There are also a whole slew of geopolitical commentaries by name Holocaust deniers, often revolving around the civil liberties issues which exercise them very greatly (since they have a remarkable habit of falling afoul of the law for incitement in a number of countries).
Given the dating of these articles - mostly in 2003, more or less all in one issue - and the fact that AFAIK, The Barnes Review has not really tried to peddle 9/11 CTs in contrast to AFP, I could imagine that some sort of decision might have been made by the overt active Holocaust denier cadre, especially by Rudolf, to put a little distance between themselves and the emerging 9/11 Truth movement.
Either that, or they were so distracted that they failed to notice the burgeoning size of the Troofer market. At this stage, I have no real proof either way, whether the leading Holocaust Deniers thought 'man, THIS is craaazy!' when they started noticing 9/11 Truth everywhere, or if they were too obsessed by Israel/the Jews/their legal problems to try to cash in.
That doesn't mean the overlap doesn't exist. While the active producers and progenitors of Holocaust Denial material have not really engaged with 9/11 beyond these few examples above, the consumers of Holocaust Denial and 9/11 CTs significantly overlap, because of the shared interest in anti-Zionist CTs.
What I think is actually more likely is that AFP, Carto and others decided for tactical reasons to put a little clear blue water between 9/11 Truth, which stood a chance of converting a new generation to CTs, and Holocaust denial, which was completely toxic. If for example, Eric Hufschmid had published any articles in The Revisionist, this would have made the linkages too obvious.
Anyway, since the forum is collectively picking over the bones by this stage, it seems worth bringing up what in 9/11 CT terms is probably a trip down memory lane....
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