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2020 Democratic Candidates Tracker Part III

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TragicMonkey

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This is a continuation from Part II. The split point is, as always, arbitrary and participants are free to quote from the previous thread(s).
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Mumbles said:
Let's stop, right here.

I've never really understood how she, any more than any other US politician, is this.
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I don't recall saying she's more so than other politicians. She's certainly enough so to earn her my enmity. She was always too close to the big banks and finance industry for my liking (a failing Biden also shares, if indeed he doesn't surpass her there--he was once known as "the senator from MBNC") and her rather late and cynical about-face on the topic of gay rights didn't win her much love. She's too much of a party machine creature and always has been. I don't think I've ever heard her espouse a position that didn't seem calculated for its political advantage, as opposed to deriving from underlying principle. I did vote for her, given the alternative was even worse, and I think she would have made a decent president, but I wouldn't consider her a decent person and wouldn't trust her further than I could throw her stash of funnymoney.
 
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SezMe said:
Agreed. She may not give you the political warm and fuzzies but that in no way makes her "loathsome and dreadful". She handled two very public humiliations, the loss to Obama and Bill's hummer, with class. She was an effective Senator and Secretary of State.

Lighten up, man.
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I wouldn't consider losing to Obama a humiliation. Win a few, lose a few, that's part of the career of a politician.

As for her husband's scandal(s), they don't really reflect either positively or negatively on Hillary. Whatever credit she earned for loyally sticking by her man was negated by the points she lost for foolishly sticking by her man. She probably shouldn't have waded into the "believe her" business without considering her own past statements about her husband's accusers and how that reflected upon her...but like I said above, I don't think she was following an actual principle in there, she was just playing a strategy.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
If you repeat a lie often enough... :mad:

She didn't stay home baking cookies when her husband was POTUS.
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Put it back in the deck. There are a lot of reasons to dislike Hillary Clinton that have nothing to do with her sex. And here's a hint: someone who dislikes Hillary out of mere sexism is hardly going to support Warren over all the other candidates. Warren, the one with actual principles behind her policy suggestions, Warren who pursues those principles even when they're not popular with the focus groups.
 
Mumbles said:
"Obama-Trumpers" simply are not thinking. "I like Obama, but I'm also a birther". Go away, you are clearly an idiot to support both the first black president, and also violent white supremacism. I hope no campaign I like never seeks the support of any such idiot.

(If you changed over the 8 ensuing years, okay, but let's not even pretend that you can reasonably be both pro- and-anti white supremacist at the same time.)
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I don't think they are necessarily "pro white supremacist" but they let it slide, possibly partly because Trump is white.

I need a good job, financial security for my family, I don't care about all that Washington drama. Media blowing it out of proportion, etc.

Of course if Obama acted like Trump I'm not so sure they'd be saying that.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Christmas with Tulsi and her hubby:

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I just have to say some words on this. They say that a nation gets the leaders they deserve, which isn't very flattering to the US at the moment. But it prevented Killary. Now Tulsi is an option, and frankly even if you aren't a Christian, and Tulsi isn't, she's Hindu, you should feel the integrity of that little performance.

I actually have been born into a Catholic family with my parents far too religious for my taste as a young thinker. I left the church at age 18 many years ago, they left in their 70s recently. But the message of love and peace stays sound, and this women Tulsi Gabbard is an incredible window into such a world.

I called on this forum for recent months for Bernie Sanders to give back the favour (Tulsi resigned from her pretty important DNC position over how the Killary machine conspired against him in 2016) and resign endorsing her. A prominent press conference with both of them present would open the path to beating Trump which she would do with her right hand tied.

But that would mean losing The Empire which all the current fuss is about. Trump is destroying it while claiming to make "America'" great again. And a lot of pseudo-skeptics here don't want that to happen, regardless of the mayhem the "full-spectrum dominance" doctrine has caused in the world already.

If Bernie doesn't endorse Tulsi at a soon occasion, any of the clowns the "Democratic Party" will chose as their presidential candidate (including Bernie himself) will rightfully be unable to prevent a second Trump term.
 
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Childlike Empress said:
I just have to say some words on this. They say that a nation gets the leaders they deserve, which isn't very flattering to the US at the moment. But it prevented Killary. Now Tulsi is an option, and frankly even if you aren't a Christian, and Tulsi isn't, she's Hindu, you should feel the integrity of that little performance.

I actually have been born into a Catholic family with my parents far too religious for my taste as a young thinker. I left the church at age 18 many years ago, they left in their 70s recently. But the message of love and peace stays sound, and this women Tulsi Gabbard is an incredible window into such a world.

I called on this forum for recent months for Bernie Sanders to give back the favour (Tulsi resigned from her pretty important DNC position over how the Killary machine conspired against him in 2016) and resign endorsing her. A prominent press conference with both of them present would open the path to beating Trump which she would do with her right hand tied.

But that would mean losing The Empire which all the current fuss is about. Trump is destroying it while claiming to make "America'" great again. And a lot of pseudo-skeptics here don't want that to happen, regardless of the mayhem the "full-spectrum dominance" doctrine has caused in the world already.

If Bernie doesn't endorse Tulsi at a soon occasion, any of the clowns the "Democratic Party" will chose as their presidential candidate (including Bernie himself) will rightfully be unable to prevent a second Trump term.
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Firstly, stop saying "Killary". It makes you look silly.

Second, if Gabbard was smart she'd endorse Bernie Sanders, who is a better all-around candidate and literally the second most popular Democrat in the race, not the other way around.
 
Childlike Empress said:
If Bernie doesn't endorse Tulsi at a soon occasion, any of the clowns the "Democratic Party" will chose as their presidential candidate (including Bernie himself) will rightfully be unable to prevent a second Trump term.
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...At last check, Tulsi is now the most disliked candidate among the Democrats. Added to that, she doesn't even remotely have a ground presence like Warren, Bernie, or Buttigieg. She's currently being called upon to resign because she's simply not even been showing up to work practically at all since she announced that she wasn't going for re-election. She's spent many years bashing Democrats on Fox.

No, Tulsi has effectively a 0% chance of beating Trump, given how much she's worked to alienate Democrats.
 
theprestige said:
I thought the idea was that Democrats would happily vote for anyone other than Trump.
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You must have a low opinion of the intelligence of your readership to foist such abject nonsense. As if posters are unable to distinguish between nomination and general election.

Despite that I have exceedingly negative views on Gabbard, I'd vote for her without hesitation versus Trump... in the alternate universe where this is conceivable.
 
theprestige said:
I thought the idea was that Democrats would happily vote for anyone other than Trump.
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Many will. Appeals to fear and loyalty are far, far more effective on "conservatives," though, and the GOP's been working hard for quite a long while to trick them into supporting the GOP. Added to that, the GOP's rather effectively worked to disseminate lies and quarter-truths, frequently aided by the MSM, and get a lot of people to just... tune out. There are likely more than a few, though, that see that Trump, bad as he is, is just a symptom of underlying problems and that if a Democratic candidate is selected who looks like they have little interest in addressing those problems, we'll just be setting ourselves up for even worse in the near future.

varwoche said:
You must have a low opinion of the intelligence of your readership to foist such abject nonsense. As if posters are unable to distinguish between nomination and general election.

Despite that I have exceedingly negative views on Gabbard, I'd vote for her without hesitation versus Trump... in the alternate universe where this is conceivable.
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Mmm. As I've noted previously, *I* would hesitate to vote for Tulsi over Trump. I would likely do it in the end, but grudgingly and with less enthusiasm than I would for Biden, which is saying something important. If *I* would only do it grudgingly, even with Trump as a motivator, I quite expect that things would go very, very badly for her.
 
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TragicMonkey said:
Put it back in the deck. There are a lot of reasons to dislike Hillary Clinton that have nothing to do with her sex. And here's a hint: someone who dislikes Hillary out of mere sexism is hardly going to support Warren over all the other candidates. Warren, the one with actual principles behind her policy suggestions, Warren who pursues those principles even when they're not popular with the focus groups.
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And the vast majority of those reasons are lies or based on lies.

I find it hard to believe her supporting her husband is the only thing that you base your dislike on.

This is off topic, time to move on.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Nonsense. Democrats are incapable of happiness. They may vote for the lesser evil but they'll complain about it the whole time.
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See, whatever most people say about Trump, he blatantly does have a hardcore of extremely enthusiastic supporters. The only person who has the equivalent on the Dems side is Sanders.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
And the vast majority of those reasons are lies or based on lies.

I find it hard to believe her supporting her husband is the only thing that you base your dislike on.

This is off topic, time to move on.
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It isn’t. He said what credit she got for sticking with Bill is also negated by her sticking with Bill. The reasons he dislikes Hillary are listed already.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Yeah, haha. Have you read her statement on the decision? That's how an adult acts. Unfortunately she's the only one in the room.
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It's nice sounding, if one only looks at the surface and doesn't even try to think about what she's saying. Dig any deeper and it quickly starts to fall apart. "Yes, Trump's guilty, but he shouldn't be held accountable if only Democrats are calling to hold him accountable for his actions?" is an exercise in cowardice and a victory for the extreme and unprincipled partisanship that the GOP's been practicing, for example. It falls apart even more when one takes into account that most of the country thinks that Trump should be impeached and removed.

That's not how a good adult acts.
 
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