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1800's watercolour painters of Egypt.

Peter May

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I have for some time been interested in the architecture of ancient Egypt, and some well known watercolorists of their time, who have depicted these structures since the late 1800's, namely David Roberts, and Hector Horeau, there are others, such as Edward Lear, who penned the “Owl and the Pussy cat”, and was quite an accomplished artist.
I have tried in my own way to copy these watercolours, but what has become apparent while coping these masters is that their paintings are romantic, and less appealing to the purist than one might imagine at first . The paintings of David Roberts are, albeit wonderfully coloured, probably incorrect, as when they where depicted in the late 1800's the colours would have most certainly been “washed out, or eroded by weather.
Furthermore, it seems that the artist was inspired more by “Roman columns”, than by Egyptian ones.
What is apparent when one studies these paintings is the extraordinary detail which the artist has ascribed, and how long they must must have suffered under that unrelenting sun to render such remarkable works of art.
In my research, it has become apparent that they must have measured these structures very accurately, as freehand drawings would have been almost impossible. It is also interesting to note, that many of their
great paintings where no more than sketches for later works.
Your comments would be much appreciated, in the artists fashion.
Modern day architects are invited to submit their own observations!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Roberts_(painter)
http://www.griffith.ox.ac.uk/gri/4horeau_intro.html
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/paintings/edward-lear-kom-ombos-egypt-5318411-details.aspx

I will post my own watercolour copies of these artists when I can.
 
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You may want to check out ippolito rosellini,he made fantastic paintings of Egyptian tomb wall scenes in the first half of the 19th century. In a second hand shop for two pound a few years back I got a excellent modern book on his works.
 
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I will post my own watercolour copies of these artists when I can.


I have a few comments to make based upon my own experience in art college many years ago:

So-called 'freehand' draughtsmanship has a few ad-hoc aids, not the least of which is the pencil and thumb held at arm's length to gauge the apparent size and angle of features in the scene. I think it's unlikely that any painter would measure the items in a scene and then, in a figurative representation at least, find the measurements usable. Another aid might be the string grid in a frame, through which the painter views the scene.

Even if an artist measured the detail in a scene, I would be intrigued to know what calculus they might use to transfer those measurements to a 2D representation of the scene, having other more usable tools at hand. Such a calculus does exist, of course, but is generally only convenient where machine computation is a factor.

Have you compared the detail in the paintings to the original objects? Is it possible that defects exist in the scale of parts of the representation which are just overlooked?
 
You may want to check out ippolito rosellini,he made fantastic paintings of Egyptian tomb wall scenes in the first half of the 19th century. In a second hand shop for two pound a few years back I got a excellent modern book on his works.

Thanks for the info.
Yes, he is certainly a man a great talent. Recently I have discovered several versions of the same work. It seems in some cases they made detailed sketches of the subjects then painted the them, (in the case of David Roberts), on his return to England. What is the title of the book you bought? In the case of accuracy, it seems they employed the Camera Lucida, however where they worked in tombs where the light level was very low the Camera Lucida may have had limited applications!
 
I have a few comments to make based upon my own experience in art college many years ago:

So-called 'freehand' draughtsmanship has a few ad-hoc aids, not the least of which is the pencil and thumb held at arm's length to gauge the apparent size and angle of features in the scene. I think it's unlikely that any painter would measure the items in a scene and then, in a figurative representation at least, find the measurements usable. Another aid might be the string grid in a frame, through which the painter views the scene.

Even if an artist measured the detail in a scene, I would be intrigued to know what calculus they might use to transfer those measurements to a 2D representation of the scene, having other more usable tools at hand. Such a calculus does exist, of course, but is generally only convenient where machine computation is a factor.

Have you compared the detail in the paintings to the original objects? Is it possible that defects exist in the scale of parts of the representation which are just overlooked?

I don't know how they may have employed calculus, I think this may be disregarded.
There is evidence to indicate that they may have employed the Camera Lucida, however the available light source, (candles, and oil lamps may have been insufficient to provide enough light to “power” this device!
As you point out there are some discrepancies in the painted and the actual
You can compare the Roberts painting of The Rock Temple here,
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:David_Roberts_Rock_Temple_Gerf_Hussein.jpg

And a recent photograph, here,
https://www.google.se/search?q=phot...com_seyret%2Fthe-abu-simbel-1921.html;323;474

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camera_lucida

Also note, the plinths upon which the statues are standing are much lower in the photograph, than in the
painting.

Having copied the same painting which I will post ASAP. I have have problems with uploading.
Watch this space!
 
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Thanks for the info.
Yes, he is certainly a man a great talent. Recently I have discovered several versions of the same work. It seems in some cases they made detailed sketches of the subjects then painted the them, (in the case of David Roberts), on his return to England. What is the title of the book you bought? In the case of accuracy, it seems they employed the Camera Lucida, however where they worked in tombs where the light level was very low the Camera Lucida may have had limited applications!

Sorry,my internet has been on the blink for almost two weeks,its just started working right today. The book is a oversized,good quality publication called treasures of Egypt and Nubia. It is dedicated to his work. As a lover of bronze age warfare,fortifications and weapons I think its great. His work is really accurate.
 
Sorry,my internet has been on the blink for almost two weeks,its just started working right today. The book is a oversized,good quality publication called treasures of Egypt and Nubia. It is dedicated to his work. As a lover of bronze age warfare,fortifications and weapons I think its great. His work is really accurate.

Many thanks.

Peter.
 

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