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14 structural engineers for "truth"

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Hi folks,

Anyone know what the skinny is on this claim:

"14 structural engineers now publicly challenge the government's account of the destruction of the Trade Centers on 9/11:" (followed by list)

This is at 9/11 blogger right now. I'd link but I haven't made 15 posts yet...:rolleyes:

Some of the quotes I'm reading from them seem incredibly ignorant, one even writes about 'thermite residues' found at the site ::facepalm::. Just wondering if these folks actually have the credentials they say they do.
 
Well, regardless of credentials, saying that thermite residue was found is stretching Steven Jones's claim beyond what his findings do support.

Edited to Add: Whoops! Just realized that my hit & run post is a bit too cryptic for some. Anyway, lurkers, new people, et. al.: Jones found a class of debris material - "iron rich spherules" - that he says can only be formed during high temperature events. The accusation is that thermite use is the only thing that can account for these particles. The reality is that other explanations not including thermite are possible. Just do a search in this forum for threads discussing this. Here are a few that I recall:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104926
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107552
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2894621
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82880
 
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Why do people lie?

The first guy on their list is a mechanical engineer who bought Dr. Jones' ******** hook, line and sinker.

Others believe that there is thermite residue, when no one claims that.

Pathetic misguided dupes.
 
Is it me or does something seem fishy here? Why would reputable structural engineers real quotes word for word from conspiracy web sites. Something doesn't add up here.
 
Dictator Cheney said:
maybe, but it aint for sure not the clowns from JREF.
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There's alot about the way the 'truth' movement uses professionals which is very fishy.

For one thing, we already know that these ad hoc websites are notoriously bad at verifying that either the person exists or that they are who they say they are.

For another, it's not difficult for people with their own agenda to discover the name of a structural engineer and post pretending to be that person, in the expectation that so long as he/she doesn't google their own name (notice how when you do google their names the majority of hits are 9-11 'truther' sites recycling the original claim) they won't be found out, and even if they are they'll blame 'debunkers' anyway.

There's one structural engineer from scotland mentioned on the AE site, David Scott from Auchterarder, Perthshire who is a real person (but not necessarily a real identity). I wonder if 'Architect' has ever heard of/encountered him?
 
Yes because real engineers don't make statements that contradict their own roles. They don't recite old cliche conspiracy claims that all engineers know are simply incorrect. A structural engineer doesn't say things like "No steel structures have collapsed form fire" because they all know that isn't true.

Someone needs to research these people. I am willing to bet many of them never made these claims and their names are simply being used, or they don't actually exist. Wouldn't be surprising coming from a guy who claims to be working on a highrise in Vegas where he doesn't even have a lisc and makes these false claims about thermite residue.
 
Personally, I could give a crap about who attaches their name to some laundry list of whacked out conspiracy claims. Show me the papers they've published on the matter, and show me the professional conferences they're speaking at. If they are really professionals, they should act like it.
 
Well, you're right that in the real world their claims are unsupported rhetoric which reflects badly upon them as professionals. But, in 'truther' world they are names which can be repeated over and over again in the hope that someone not well versed in the lies of the 'truth' movement might actually start thinking "Hmmmm these guys have actual structural engineers on their side....maybe there is something to it"

And, let's face it, the 'truth' movement treats ordinary people with disdain (they are all mindless 'sheeple' after all) and bets on them not bothering to check either the validity of the identities posted on those sites or whether there is any difference between structural engineer and electrical engineer and software engineer and domestic engineer. A much more authoritative and honest title for this group would have been "Architects and Structural Engineers for 911 Truth", but that would have cut the membership down..... to around 15 apparently.
 
uk_dave said:
There's one structural engineer from scotland mentioned on the AE site, David Scott from Auchterarder, Perthshire who is a real person (but not necessarily a real identity). I wonder if 'Architect' has ever heard of/encountered him?
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I'm going to point out that (a) there are 5 million of us here, so we don't all know each other, and (b) that I work in quite a specialist field - obviously - so I wouldn't tend to come across the engineering equivalent of a GP. But that in itself would tend to suggest that he doesn't do tall structures.

Does he claim to be a member of ICE or IStructE?

ETA: Here he is. Small fry, and certainly no tall buildings work:

http://www.alexanderscott.co.uk/index.htm
 
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I'll just put them at the top of my sub-consultants register then.....
 
Like others have said here, I could care less about the names added to a list, or spewing verbatim the same tired old truther canards. Show me their papers proving the official account wrong, then I'll pay attention. Otherwise, they are as useless as Swing or any other truther in terms of proving any of the CTs correct.


TAM:)
 
Every year in medical school, out of a class of about 100, there would be 2-3 people who would turn out to be complete whacko nuts on certain issues (scary isn't it). I am sure the same is true for Engineers.

TAM:)
 
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I'm going to point out that (a) there are 5 million of us here, so we don't all know each other, and (b) that I work in quite a specialist field - obviously - so I wouldn't tend to come across the engineering equivalent of a GP. But that in itself would tend to suggest that he doesn't do tall structures.

Does he claim to be a member of ICE or IStructE?

ETA: Here he is. Small fry, and certainly no tall buildings work:

http://www.alexanderscott.co.uk/index.htm
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Ive sent him a polite email enquiring whether he has been quoted correctly or whether in fact he has even heard of ae911truth.
 
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