Art Vandelay
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According to NOW officials, the DoJ says that 1 in 4 women are raped. Has the DoJ in fact made such a declaration?
"1 in 4 Women Raped"
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I'm really good with this subject.
NOW wishes all women were victims. They are to women what Jesse Jackson is to blacks.
They opposed the filming of my favorite movie, American Psycho. They didn't protest one bit when the sequel came out, American Psycho 2, in which the killer was a woman.
NOW b*tches are all stupid. All of them. They're angry they can't have all the benefits of a relationship and still be completely independent and single. They railed against the Super Bowl for the longest time. The last time I went to a bar, half the patrons were women wearing sports jerseys. If they think you're a girlie-man who doesn't like sports, they won't be attracted to you. Women like men. Hard men. Stupid NOW b*tches don't like anyone but themselves, because they are selfish and wind up still single at age 30-something, then pretend they chose that on purpose because of their "career" (often as substitute school teachers) or some stupid excuse.
I will now open up the discussion for questions.
NOW wishes all women were victims. They are to women what Jesse Jackson is to blacks.
They opposed the filming of my favorite movie, American Psycho. They didn't protest one bit when the sequel came out, American Psycho 2, in which the killer was a woman.
NOW b*tches are all stupid. All of them. They're angry they can't have all the benefits of a relationship and still be completely independent and single. They railed against the Super Bowl for the longest time. The last time I went to a bar, half the patrons were women wearing sports jerseys. If they think you're a girlie-man who doesn't like sports, they won't be attracted to you. Women like men. Hard men. Stupid NOW b*tches don't like anyone but themselves, because they are selfish and wind up still single at age 30-something, then pretend they chose that on purpose because of their "career" (often as substitute school teachers) or some stupid excuse.
I will now open up the discussion for questions.
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The DOJ doesn't have the ability to say much of anything about how many people are *actually* the victims of which crimes, due to the extreme unreliability of gathering such numbers.
They have made some extrapolations to come up with the numbers they do publish.
IIRC the 1 in 4 figure was from over a decade ago, and has dropped since then.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/rsarp00.pdf
They have made some extrapolations to come up with the numbers they do publish.
IIRC the 1 in 4 figure was from over a decade ago, and has dropped since then.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/rsarp00.pdf
The moment before ejaculation is inherently violent. It's natural, and immature girls get confused, especially when they're doing underage drinking or drugs. Give them 8 years and they'll complain sex isn't violent enough.
That's why you shouldn't have sex when you're too young or high on chemicals. But I guess it feels so good people just don't care and they end up having these silly problems that I can laugh at, since I'm not having sex at this particular moment in my life. I bet if it were me I wouldn't talk so much, but since it ain't then I feel I'm entitled to speak about it.
That's why you shouldn't have sex when you're too young or high on chemicals. But I guess it feels so good people just don't care and they end up having these silly problems that I can laugh at, since I'm not having sex at this particular moment in my life. I bet if it were me I wouldn't talk so much, but since it ain't then I feel I'm entitled to speak about it.
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The DoJ can't know this to be true, but they may have declared[i/] it anyway. However, this doesn't seem likely, which is why I'm asking.crimresearch said:
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The National Institute of Justice report is the source of the DoJ claim. The report can be found here
Strangely enough, the survey found that 1.7 percent of undergraduates had experienced rape and 1.1 percent experienced attempted rape in the past 7 months. The report then says "projecting these results beyond this reference period is problematic for a number of reasons, such as assuming that the risk of victimization is the same during the summer months and remains stable over a person's time in college." Then, after pointing all that out, the report says, "However, if the 2.8 percent figure is calculated for a 1-year period, the data suggests that nearly 5 percent of college women are victimized in any calendar year." That number turns into 25 percent once the writers multiply it by the five years many students spend in college.
The report (on the same page (10)) describes the figures for women of the same age not enrolled in a 2- or 4-year college as 0.8 and 0 percent respectively.
Some criticisms of the 25% figure claim that the questions were too broad, but the report shows that the questions were very specific and clearly defined the terms so there could be no misunderstanding of the legal definition of rape.
Strangely enough, the survey found that 1.7 percent of undergraduates had experienced rape and 1.1 percent experienced attempted rape in the past 7 months. The report then says "projecting these results beyond this reference period is problematic for a number of reasons, such as assuming that the risk of victimization is the same during the summer months and remains stable over a person's time in college." Then, after pointing all that out, the report says, "However, if the 2.8 percent figure is calculated for a 1-year period, the data suggests that nearly 5 percent of college women are victimized in any calendar year." That number turns into 25 percent once the writers multiply it by the five years many students spend in college.
The report (on the same page (10)) describes the figures for women of the same age not enrolled in a 2- or 4-year college as 0.8 and 0 percent respectively.
Some criticisms of the 25% figure claim that the questions were too broad, but the report shows that the questions were very specific and clearly defined the terms so there could be no misunderstanding of the legal definition of rape.
Two things jumped out at me skimming that study:
1) 48.8% of the women being counted as raped didn't consider themselves raped. (Considering that some surveys of college women have shown surprisingly high numbers of them saying they have said "no" when they meant "yes" I was surprised that I didn't see that issue mentioned. )
2) The comparison study showed an incidence of rape 11 times smaller then the main study, and it sounds like the main study had subjective interpretations being factored in. That doesn't sound quite right to me. Especially since some of the questions are a little open to interpreations and half the rapes counted aren't considered that by the women reporting them.
It's a bummer the numbers are as high as they are (whatever they are) but a lot of politicking has gone on around these kind of reports. Sommers (Who Stole Feminism) wrote about some faulty studies that came up with a one in four numbers years ago.
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html
1) 48.8% of the women being counted as raped didn't consider themselves raped. (Considering that some surveys of college women have shown surprisingly high numbers of them saying they have said "no" when they meant "yes" I was surprised that I didn't see that issue mentioned. )
2) The comparison study showed an incidence of rape 11 times smaller then the main study, and it sounds like the main study had subjective interpretations being factored in. That doesn't sound quite right to me. Especially since some of the questions are a little open to interpreations and half the rapes counted aren't considered that by the women reporting them.
It's a bummer the numbers are as high as they are (whatever they are) but a lot of politicking has gone on around these kind of reports. Sommers (Who Stole Feminism) wrote about some faulty studies that came up with a one in four numbers years ago.
http://www.leaderu.com/real/ri9502/sommers.html
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The DOJ publishes statistics from 2 basic sources...reported crimes collected by police agencies aruond the country, and reported victimization collected through survey sampling and extrapolated to the entire population. Both methods fail to give an accurate picture of the extent of crime in the US.
The NIJ on the other hand, provides grant money for all sorts of studies, not all of which are conducted in the most rigorous manner possible.
And the popularly cited numbers about crime can range from selective quoting of DOJ data to outright biased NIJ studies, spun though the filter of various agendas.
One joint NIJ/CDC study, the National Violence Against Women survey includes stalking definitions in its methodology, such as unsolicited letters or phone calls.
http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles1/nij/183781.txt
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Here is one critique of the 1 in 4 figure:
"Christina Hoff Sommers, author of Who Stole Feminism?, has provided the answer. The one-in-four statistic hails from a 1985 Ms. magazine report by Mary Koss. Koss interviewed about 3,000 randomly selected college women about sexual violation. She determined that 25.7 percent were victims of rape or attempted rape “because they gave answers that fit Koss’s criteria for rape†— which bear scrutiny, as they are “penetration by penis, finger, or other object under coercive influence such as physical force, alcohol, or threats.†Those broad criteria may explain why only 27 percent of Koss’ “rape victims†considered themselves to be rape victims. Also, Koss considered a woman a victim of sexual assault if she answered “yes†to (and 53.7 “victims†did) “Have you ever given in to sex play (fondling, kissing, or petting, but not intercourse) when you didn’t want to because you were overwhelmed by a man’s continual arguments and pressure?â€... "
http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=741
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Here is a claim of 1 in 3:
"In the United States, 1.3 women are raped every minute. That results in 78 rapes each hour, 1872 rapes each day, 56160 rapes ech month and 683,280 rapes each year.
1 out of every 3 American women will be sexually assulted in her lifetime.
The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It's 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.
1 in 7 women will be raped by her husband.
83% of rape cases are ages 24 or under.
1 in 4 college women have either been raped or suffered attempted rape. "
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/cease/rapestatisticspage.html
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And 4 out of 10:
"1 out of every 3 women will experience some type of sexual assault in her lifetime.
In the Unites States, a rape occurs every 5 minutes.
1 out of every 3 girls will be sexually assaulted before the age of 18.
Nearly 4 out of every 10 women have been raped.... "
http://www.rapedefense.org/rape_statistics.htm
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The NIJ on the other hand, provides grant money for all sorts of studies, not all of which are conducted in the most rigorous manner possible.
And the popularly cited numbers about crime can range from selective quoting of DOJ data to outright biased NIJ studies, spun though the filter of various agendas.
One joint NIJ/CDC study, the National Violence Against Women survey includes stalking definitions in its methodology, such as unsolicited letters or phone calls.
http://www.ncjrs.org/txtfiles1/nij/183781.txt
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Here is one critique of the 1 in 4 figure:
"Christina Hoff Sommers, author of Who Stole Feminism?, has provided the answer. The one-in-four statistic hails from a 1985 Ms. magazine report by Mary Koss. Koss interviewed about 3,000 randomly selected college women about sexual violation. She determined that 25.7 percent were victims of rape or attempted rape “because they gave answers that fit Koss’s criteria for rape†— which bear scrutiny, as they are “penetration by penis, finger, or other object under coercive influence such as physical force, alcohol, or threats.†Those broad criteria may explain why only 27 percent of Koss’ “rape victims†considered themselves to be rape victims. Also, Koss considered a woman a victim of sexual assault if she answered “yes†to (and 53.7 “victims†did) “Have you ever given in to sex play (fondling, kissing, or petting, but not intercourse) when you didn’t want to because you were overwhelmed by a man’s continual arguments and pressure?â€... "
http://www.carolinajournal.com/exclusives/display_exclusive.html?id=741
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Here is a claim of 1 in 3:
"In the United States, 1.3 women are raped every minute. That results in 78 rapes each hour, 1872 rapes each day, 56160 rapes ech month and 683,280 rapes each year.
1 out of every 3 American women will be sexually assulted in her lifetime.
The United States has the world's highest rape rate of the countries that publish such statistics. It's 4 times higher than Germany, 13 times higher than England, and 20 times higher than Japan.
1 in 7 women will be raped by her husband.
83% of rape cases are ages 24 or under.
1 in 4 college women have either been raped or suffered attempted rape. "
http://oak.cats.ohiou.edu/~ad361896/anne/cease/rapestatisticspage.html
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And 4 out of 10:
"1 out of every 3 women will experience some type of sexual assault in her lifetime.
In the Unites States, a rape occurs every 5 minutes.
1 out of every 3 girls will be sexually assaulted before the age of 18.
Nearly 4 out of every 10 women have been raped.... "
http://www.rapedefense.org/rape_statistics.htm
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The definition of "coercive" sex is rather broad, too: any rewards or punishments. So apparently hiring a prostitute is "coercive". They also give offering a ride as an example of a reward. 
How many women will have sex just for a ride?
How many women will have sex just for a ride?Mr Manifesto
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Art Vandelay said:The definition of "coercive" sex is rather broad, too: any rewards or punishments. So apparently hiring a prostitute is "coercive". They also give offering a ride as an example of a reward.
Uhm... The way it works is that you give the ride first, without letting the woman in question know beforehand that it's conditional, then have sex with them during the course of the journey. I used to hitch-hike a lot, this sort of thing is really common.
As to 'rewards or punishments', that refers to unreasonable rewards or punishments, ie without the woman's consent. Prostitutes expect a reward for sex, it isn't coercion. However, if you tell a woman you won't give her the shopping money unless she comes forward for you, that's coercion.
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I don't know about 1 in 4, but it is amazing how, if you ask around a bit, just how many women and men are sexually abused as children. The worst part of this is that it often becomes learned behaviour that is then propagated.
As for rape, date rape, etc. It's not as if women go around talking about it like they talk about the weather, but it is not too hard to know someone who experienced it, or who has a friend who was raped.
Don't forget prison, too. It might be treated like a joke, or as if the inmates deserve it, but it's very common and remember, most inmates are not in there for crimes of violence, etc, but for just being poor, eg, not being able to pay a fine for a relatively minor crime, or victimless crimes like drug taking.
As for rape, date rape, etc. It's not as if women go around talking about it like they talk about the weather, but it is not too hard to know someone who experienced it, or who has a friend who was raped.
Don't forget prison, too. It might be treated like a joke, or as if the inmates deserve it, but it's very common and remember, most inmates are not in there for crimes of violence, etc, but for just being poor, eg, not being able to pay a fine for a relatively minor crime, or victimless crimes like drug taking.
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Whoracle said:
Funny, I've managed to lay several dozen using the sensitive approach. I note, with interest, that American has never been laid- by his own admission.
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Art Vandelay said:
Is there a time warp somewhere? I've just come back to the forum after an absence of several months, and I could have sworn there was a thread back then that I responded to.
Anyway, the 1 in 4 figure is from a study commissioned by Ms. magazine in the mid-1970s in Gainesville, Florida of undergraduates at the University of Florida. The claims were about activity that "met the legal definition of rape." To one extent, that is bogus, as since 1973, Florida has not had a legal definition of rape; they changed it to "sexual battery," ironically, to overcome common-law presumptions that made it difficult to get a conviction. However, the law had a loophole--it had a section defining sexual battery which defined any contact between the penis of one person with the mouth, vagina, or anus of another person as sexual battery.
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Art Vandelay said:The definition of "coercive" sex is rather broad, too: any rewards or punishments. So apparently hiring a prostitute is "coercive". They also give offering a ride as an example of a reward.
You have quote but don't say from which paper they are from, so I will just ask you some questions about coersive:
1. If a person passes out at a party and another person fondles them is it coercive sex?
2. If another person offers a person a ride home and drives them out into the country and then says they have to have sex to get back to town , is it coercive?
3. If your boss tells you you have to have sex to get a promotion, is that coercive?
4. If you are married and your say you don't want to have sex and your spouse forces you to have sex , is that coercive?
Are you saying that all sex that is for reward is prostitution?
What if you force a protitute to have sex that they have not agreed to, is that coercive?
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DoJ Statistics for 2002
On this page is just the reported cases of rape and sexual asssaults which includes threatened sexual assault as well. The number of reports for the year 2002 is 243,700.
And then you can extrapolate from there:
assume that this is a statisticaly accurate number : over ten years there will 2,437,000 reported seuual assaults, over sixty years there will be 14,622,000,000 reported rapes. If you then divide this by 300 million the number of people who might live in the United States for these sixty years then you get 48%. So on average that means that there is a fifty percent chance of getting raped.
More seriously 243,700 reported sexual assaults is a number that we should all take pause at,
What is the rate of reporting rape?
Some studies will tell you one in six others will tell you one in twenty. So that means there could be between 1.5 million to 20 million attempted sexual assaults a year. Very scary. Even if you subtract 20% for false reports there could still be 200,000, one million or four million attempted rapes a year.
Just amazing.
The main source for the one in three incidence of rape comes from family studies that are extrapolated to the general population, most of the rapes are childhood abuse, in those studies.
But it is a difficult field to get people to discuss the truth, especialy when there is always a debate about what constitutes rape.
On this page is just the reported cases of rape and sexual asssaults which includes threatened sexual assault as well. The number of reports for the year 2002 is 243,700.
And then you can extrapolate from there:
assume that this is a statisticaly accurate number : over ten years there will 2,437,000 reported seuual assaults, over sixty years there will be 14,622,000,000 reported rapes. If you then divide this by 300 million the number of people who might live in the United States for these sixty years then you get 48%. So on average that means that there is a fifty percent chance of getting raped.
More seriously 243,700 reported sexual assaults is a number that we should all take pause at,
What is the rate of reporting rape?
Some studies will tell you one in six others will tell you one in twenty. So that means there could be between 1.5 million to 20 million attempted sexual assaults a year. Very scary. Even if you subtract 20% for false reports there could still be 200,000, one million or four million attempted rapes a year.
Just amazing.
The main source for the one in three incidence of rape comes from family studies that are extrapolated to the general population, most of the rapes are childhood abuse, in those studies.
But it is a difficult field to get people to discuss the truth, especialy when there is always a debate about what constitutes rape.
I knew when I posted that that some Mr. Rogers types would quicly assure me they've had more sex than Wilt Chamberlain and Gene Simmons put together. The minute you make a generalization, the exception to the rule pops up without fail thinking that disproves the whole theory.
Dancing David
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Whoracle said:
Hey now! Don't go messing with Mr. Fred!
One good overgeneralization deserves another.