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29th December 2005, 09:23 AM | #161 |
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Hi Paul,
Welcome aboard! (Here's a chance to add a post in order to reach the 'magic 15'): |
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29th December 2005, 09:35 AM | #162 |
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Yes, that's the way things work. Boards like this use software that can't distinguish between people. It would also be an awful lot of work for the moderators to screen people individually, considering how many people are members here. Well, at least this will be my ninth mail
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29th December 2005, 09:40 AM | #163 |
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Hej Anders!
Rart at møde dig her. Jeg har lige afsluttet min sidste patientbehandling for 2005 og kan nu slappe lidt af her i Sorø. **** Just a little greeting for another Dane her. I'm American, but live in Denmark with my Danish wife. Now this will be my tenth post. Getting closer to the goal! Soon I'll be able to "use both hands"! |
29th December 2005, 09:41 AM | #164 |
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..... and my 11th....
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29th December 2005, 09:47 AM | #168 |
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... and 15th.... Maybe now I can create my profile, choose an avatar, start using links, etc. Whew! Nice to be alive again.
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29th December 2005, 09:47 AM | #169 |
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I'm not going to chime in with my opinions of the "woo", others have already done a splendid job.
i will say to FS, i wish you all the best in your treatment and recovery. you seem to have a handle on whats happening to you and you've got the smarts to make the right decisions. as for the physiological "good feeling" that keeps you perky, i hope that the support from here helps. if i ever get myself to a TAM, I'll see ya there. |
29th December 2005, 09:51 AM | #170 |
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Hmm....still can't create much of a profile or choose an avatar. Maybe the system takes time to approve me?
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29th December 2005, 09:55 AM | #171 |
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Here's what I've written on sCAM at SkepticWiki:
http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/SCAM ... and my user page there: http://www.skepticwiki.org/wiki/index.php/User:Fyslee |
29th December 2005, 02:07 PM | #173 |
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Well, I wouldn't gamble on even 20% for a life-threatening condition. The much-hyped placebo effect is mainly observed in benign conditions, especially pain. Anything where expectation plays a part. FS, I found your OP deeply moving, but you are not going to move the minds of unreason, as exemplified repeatedly by the likes of `love'. You are doing all the right things, and you deserve to succeed.
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No no no no NO!!!!!! Sorry, but sometimes I have to shout. Positive mental attitude has been tested and does not work in cancer. It may make people fell better about it, but they don't live any longer. Look at the guidance from NICE on palliative care.
And NO again - nobody is going to to do better than by focussing totally on what will do them some good. Any distraction does harm. |
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30th December 2005, 01:18 PM | #176 |
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Placebo effect. Tell someone they are gonna die. They believe you. So they get soooo scared that they curl up in a ball, and stop eating and drinking. They await their doom.
What do they die of? Fear? No. Dehydration at their own hand. Quite often placebo effects work because people believe the placebo is doing something. They unwittingly relax and stop focussing on the perceived problem (the reduced stress leads to pain relief or whatever). Or they stop worrying about it and the temporary problem clears up (swelling in joints due to temporary allergic reaction disappears). Placebo effect can be good and bad as well (as written above). Why won't it work on cancer? Or a broken leg? Or any real problem? Because it takes more than distraction or belief to fix it. A real physical prolonged problem needs real intervention. |
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30th December 2005, 03:22 PM | #177 |
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Fowlsound, I admire you for your strength, courage, and kick-ass attitude.
You know that everyone here is in your corner pulling for you. I can't make it to TAM this year, but I expect to see you there next year, and the first round is on me. Cheers. Larry |
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30th December 2005, 05:33 PM | #178 |
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Damn.
Fowlsound for the next messiah! I don't know what to say, I am deeply moved by your bravery, your willingness to share and your patience in putting up with Love. I don't know how you've been able to answer her. |
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You lost a post of mine in the process
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1st January 2006, 10:34 PM | #181 |
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Family members had cancer over the last few years.
each did the chemo/radio thing, and each beat it. In one case the detection was very late and surgury was required. (Now, in NZ surgury for removing cancer is on the public purse: no cost. Same with the reconstruction later.) However - one just did the old "I trust science" bit - recovery went very well and there were almost no side effects from the chemo. The other didn't quite trust the doctors. Did the standard treatment anyway, but also did a number of self-nurchuring things too - took a homeopathic thing (I checked that it didn't actually do damage) and went to regular prayer meetings. This helped her to cope with the attitude. Her recovery was tougher, and she may have given up if deprived of the props. However - when I went to replenish the homeopathy stuff, I replaced it with fennel and sugar. It was cheaper, and had the same effect. (i.e. none - beyond the feeling of doing something oneself.) This sort of thing was encouraged - on the understanding that it did not interfere with the hospital treatment. Our attitude to our illness (a phrase that can still ern you a violent episode because of it's misuse) is important to our recovery. However, it won't make you better. It won't fix something broke. Not all placebos are created equal - if each is as good as another, and they make you feel better, then pick the cheap one. Oh - hoping an illness will just go away (imagining etc) will not work, but the illness can still go away all by itself. It is in the nature of diseases that they will sometimes just burn out, sometimes go into remission. Another misleading effect is that doctors are usually pessimistic in their prognosis where potentially fatal diseases are concerned. If they say you'll have 6 months to live and you hang on for 12, that's good. If they say you'll live 12 months but you only made 11.5, that may be grounds for a lawsuit... In general, it is true if it stays true even when you stop believing in it. |
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I am PMing you in regards to this, see what we can do. As the sequence stands in 'Abandon', it appears that there is no lost post?
Edited to add - no lost post confirmed. Please, if any moves in future result in lost posts or suspected lost posts for anyone at all, please indicate in the Forum management area? That way we can address it quicker, as I didn't see this for some time. Thanks. |
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Kiless,
Thank you very much for pointing out that my post was not where I thought it was. I sooo apologize for making you do unneeded work. I am still slapping myself upside the head for doing that. Thanks for all your efforts not really but everyone else blames her |
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Is it available on another site yet?
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Well, yes, but be careful. Unlike what the woos claim, it's not possible to "defeat" a cancer just by wanting to or by having a positive attitude. What you mean is of course "take every rational treatment offered to you by the specialists in charge of your case", but be careful of sounding as if this is a "self-empowerment" plan.
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7th January 2006, 06:04 PM | #188 |
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Sorry I haven't been around, fowlsound. Hopefully, you won't be needing your titanium superpowers. I'll be digging my fingers into my temples, trying to access any latent psychic powers I might happen to have.
But until they show up, stick with your doctors' and nurses' sexy, wrinkly brains, because I'm just trying to be humorously insane. Keep your spirits up... that is, if the doc'll let you have alcohol. |
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I chucked your excellent paper up on my webpage too. It has low bandwidth, so don't go telling millions of people, but if someone comes across it, they may just start to think.
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Hey thanks Dave! I also have a blog about my experiences. I'm working to put up all I can about my journey through cancer. www.fowlsound.com/blog |
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Sorry for coming late to the party, but this is one of my peeves. Yes, nitrates/nitrites are added to cured meats, so they get listed on the package. But what about all the foods that include nitrates/nitrites naturally so they don't have them listed on the labels (most don't even have labels). Yes, I am talking about vegetables... Estimates are that 80-90% of nitrate/nitrite intake comes vegetables and that most vegetarians have a nitrate/nitrite intake 3 to 4 times that of non-vegetarians...
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Hey FS, I downloaded your paper and, you will be surprised to hear, I even read it. Spelling problems aside it is a good read. Even, I think, useful. You can guess, I am certain, what my reaction was.
It did occur to me that placebo might be useful if you where to take about 5 pounds of them, put them in a sock, and swing the sock with abandon. Might clear out the room if nothing else. You da chicken, dude! |
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20th January 2006, 06:16 AM | #193 |
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FS - you have a rival who presumably would regard your titanium superpowers as some form of inferior energy source - Dr Quantum!
(and all for only $69.95!) |
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I'd just like to add my best wishes to those already given by others on the form, Fowlsound. Your account shows bravery and courage, and I applaud you for remaining firm in your acceptance of the scientific method. I am reminded of the John Diamond books, detailing his experiences of cancer, and the similar attitude he took to those offering the 'why wouldn't you try this, what have you got to lose?' attitude.
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