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2nd April 2006, 05:04 PM | #521 |
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Really? Now my Magical Superpowers are caused by radiotelebiomagnoelectric radiation ... which makes my Magic Superpowers even more scientific than yours.
And, alas, equally undemonstrable.
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Dr.Adequate, don't make my avatar come after you.
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2nd April 2006, 07:01 PM | #525 |
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Shame on you zoinked168. Shame on you.
Can we look at what you just did? You took advantage of a woman's tragedy in order to create a place for you to spout off about your magical ability. Complete with a made up magic word and a refusal to take the paranormal challenge. You are a piece of work alright. Here's something I dare you to do. Look yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, "Did I just tell a woman (who made it very clear that she didn't want to hear from the likes of me) that her kid was dead so that I could feel special and important and get people to talk to me?" "Did I just go onto a discussion thread that was specifically about how damaging psychics are to the families of the missing, and take their attention away from what they were doing in order to make my own little psychic prediction of the most horrible kind to the family of a missing person?" For a guy who thinks he can see into other peoples' hearts, I'd say you missed by a mile on that one, kiddo. I'll second what Dr Adequate said. Put up or shut up. On a different thread. |
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kelly, i think the jokes about psychics is a bad idea.
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2nd April 2006, 08:25 PM | #527 |
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Hey Zoe,
I'm agreeing with Meg wholeheartedly, in a kind way, on all of this and if you look at my earliest posts you'll know that I have been fully open about being a believer. You appear to be very well meaning but I think you need to examine yourself clearly and take her criticisms as constructive (and kind). |
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Hey Zoe,
When you return, please be sure to start your own thread as strongly suggested. I would still like to know the answers to my previous questions. RL: I'm not going to do a post with psychic jokes. While generic psychic jokes don't bother me, they might bother other people. Not only that, but I do think a post like that would detract from the seriousness of the subject matter. I was at a low when I asked that, but sense is prevailing now. All: I just love Meg, and especially when she gets riled up. The thing about Meg is, that even though angered, she still is dead on in her reasoning. It's that mom in her. Kelly |
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I've just put this on my own site but although it's about the UK it might be worth adding it here. After reading about yet another psychic being called in by a family whose son is missing I wrote to the Metropolitan Police and asked if they could confirm the use of psychics. Their reply was interesting...
"Dear Mr Youens Thank you for your recent enquiry concerning the use of psychics by the police, which has been forwarded to me by our Public Access Office. We have conducted a search of our indexes but have been unable to identify any relevant records relating to any official use of psychics." They did add... "There is, however, a historical case where this played a major part." I've begun looking at this case but early days yet. Tony Youens |
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A comment about the blog series received via email from a woman who does not have a missing person in her life, and who was also neutral on the subject beforehand:
"Kelly I am blown away with your recent postings. I wish this series could post on every site that mentions missing people. Everyone needs to read this series. It is such an important education for those of us who don't know the details of these missing people cases. The pain just jumps off the pages and gets you thinking about the real harm caused by psychics. I never had a clue what the harm was in hearing these people out until I read this series of postings. I can say now that I am outraged by shows that are doing these readings on TV -- it is sick. I'm sure it was very difficult to post things that brought back your own suffering but bless you for doing it. I've got such insight that I didn't have before. Thank you so much for your postings." |
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Wow. That's awesome, Kelly! Great work on the blog. It looks like you're really reaching people with it.
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Again this is in the UK, but we've collected responses from police forces here regarding psychics' claims of 'helping the police'.
See: http://www.skeptics.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=57.0 The replies speak for themselves. |
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That's excellent John. I'll stick in a link to that as well.
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KellyJ, what you're doing here is really just awesome. If the idea hasn't already been put out there, would you consider giving a paper presentation at the next Amazing Meeting? I know you would be fantastic.
If you even visit at the next TAM, you'll receive a hero's welcome (I for one volunteer to carry you through the door of the casino yelling "HUZZAH FOR KELLYJ!") |
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Okay SkepticWiki link put in as well.
The main links on my site other than Dennis McKenzie and the current commentary are; The Christine Holohan case which was much debated on the JREF forum at one time. http://www.tonyyouens.com/ruislip_murder.htm and a commentary 'The unpleasant world of the psychic detective' at: http://www.tonyyouens.com/commentary.htm#detectives which deals with the case of Lisa Dorrian. I was contacted by the psychic in question who thought my tone a little abrasive. I told him he would be of no use and indeed he wasn't. I think this is a perfect opportunity for us all to work together. A challenge maybe? Kind regards to all. Tony |
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Hello Delphi_ote,
Early on in the thread, there is some talk about me attending TAM on a scholarship and giving a report. I believe Luke T. initiated this discussion. I'm not the greatest public speaker, but I would be happy to do this if the foundation wishes. I hope you are a robust fellow, and have decent medical coverage, as I am not a petite little thing. Your post made me smile. Thank you! Kelly |
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Anyway something like that - but as I say I haven't really thought about it. Any suggestions? Tony |
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Perhaps we could initiate something from the US via the in progress Psychic Predators site.
Claus? Fowlsound? What say you? We would need volunteers to track incoming claims. We already have the basis of an online submission form on the site. |
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I doubt that we would get a large number of submissions here either, as they would have to submit:
A) Their true identity and contact info B) Information about how they assisted with a specific case and the outcome of the information and "help" they provided AND C) Contact info for the LE (Law Enforcement) agency, all of which would be verified |
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I suppose we could just do C) Contact info for the LE (Law Enforcement) agency, which would be verified.
We could then try to satisfy the question as to whether or not LE requests their help and pays for it, and if in their opinion, the psychics' tips ever solved a crime. We would then have a survey that reflected LE's opinion about the matter. Adding A and B would give us a more well rounded answer to the question of psychics' abilities to solve cases. The UK study was done by going directly to LE and asking the question. To survey all LE in the US would be quite a task. I wonder what percentage of LE asked and responses received would suffice to give an accepted result. |
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Originally Posted by delphi_ote
Originally Posted by RSLancastr
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Yes, they would have an excuse for everything, but the more we can help the general public understand, isn't that the bottom line? I'm not sure how many psychics will come clean because of education. |
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It's somewhat off topic, but we were featured in an article in the Columbia News Service today. We hope it will be picked up by many newspapers across the country. I am very pleased that Jason's photo is on here so prominently!
http://jscms.jrn.columbia.edu/cns/20...-missingpeople |
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I would hardly consider that to be off-topic. If anything, it reiterates what we should have been concentrating on all along, except the "psychics" insist on interfering for their own selfish reasons.
Great article, and congrats, Kelly! |
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Thanks, RT!
Here's another media outlet giving psychics validity: http://www.nbc4i.com/news/8474636/detail.html I wonder if they'll do a follow up to tell us that they were wrong. I doubt it. They even name the psychics. |
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I have opened an email correspondence with the reporter who did the story. He basically said that unless the psychics are directly responsible for finding the missing college student, they will not be mentioned again. I outlined my concerns about that, and pointed him to your blog series, Kelly. I'll let you know if anything further comes of it.
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Our own meg is the guest writer on the blog series today.
You can read it here: http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com...ws-things.html Thank you, meg, for sharing your story and doing a great job in putting a real life slant on things. Kelly |
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I've just read Marie Parker's story about her missing friend Audrey http://voice4themissing.blogspot.com...s-part-ii.html and I watched the clip with Sylvia Brown. I've never seen her "live" before, but I had a pretty good impression of her voice thanks to Randi's commentaries.
That clip made me sick! |
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