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Merged why the release of names associated with Epstein mean little to absolutely nothing.

dirtywick said:
sure, maybe it’s a democratic hoax. the one time he’s telling the truth. wouldn’t that be something

well 8 of them came forward today and spoke at least so you got some of what you’re asking for anyway.
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A Democratic hoax? I've been hear Republicans including Donald Trump talking about Epstein's ties to prominent Democrats especially Bill Clinton for decades.
 
The Epstein Conspiracy is less about a vast pedophile ring operated by the (((NWO))) and more about the cynical use of sexual child abuse fantasies being used to demonize polical opponents with no interest to ever actually help the victims of sexual abuse or catch any of the peeps if they have money.
Since all of right wing outrage is purely opportunistic, forcing them to see one through to the logical end is useful and informative.
 
i would add that i think there was a sex ring. was it vast, not so sure, define vast i guess. who cares. did it involve more than epstein and maxwell? yeah. were those people famous or powerful? seems like it. was he recording them and blackmailing them? possibly, explains a lot about what happened. was he murdered? doesn't seem like it to me.

now, the questions i have that spring to mind are, why do a lot of familiar names keep popping up over and over if they have no involvement? why are they moving heaven and earth to cover this up and avoid the topic? why do the qanon celebs that now run the fbi turn white as a ghost when you bring it up now? why are they dangling a pardon in front of maxwell, the only person to be held accountable for it at all?

there is more to this than it was epstein and now he's dead, the end. that's horse ◊◊◊◊ to me.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Trump on Epstein: “It's really a Democrat hoax because they're trying to get people to talk about something that's totally irrelevant to the success that we've had as a nation since I've been president.”
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Sounds like an admission of guilt to me: "yeah, I did it, but I've been such a great president it's not important."
 
"They only want to talk about the bad stuff."
Uh huh.
"Therefore the bad stuff is a hoax."
Mmm. Can you explain it again?
 
dirtywick said:
i would add that
i think there was a sex ring. was it vast, not so sure, define vast i guess. who cares.
did it involve more than epstein and maxwell? yeah.
were those people famous or powerful? seems like it.
was he recording them and blackmailing them? possibly, explains a lot about what happened. was he murdered? doesn't seem like it to me.

now, the questions i have that spring to mind are,
why do a lot of familiar names keep popping up over and over if they have no involvement? why are they moving heaven and earth to cover this up and avoid the topic? why do the qanon celebs that now run the fbi turn white as a ghost when you bring it up now? why are they dangling a pardon in front of maxwell, the only person to be held accountable for it at all?

there is more to this than it was epstein and now he's dead, the end. that's horse ◊◊◊◊ to me.
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Where did these ideas come from in the first place? I think is the first question we should ask.

Let's look at some of what Brad Edwards has said publicly. From ABC:
"Jeffrey Epstein was the pimp and the john. He was his own No. 1 client."
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"Nearly all of the exploitation and abuse of all of the women was intended to benefit only Jeffrey Epstein and Jeffrey Epstein's sexual desires."
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Edwards describes the enigmatic Epstein as living, essentially, two separate lives: one in which he was sexually abusing women and girls "on a daily basis," and another in which he associated with politicians, royalty, and titans of business, academia, and science.

"For the most part, those two worlds did not overlap. And where they overlapped, in the instances they overlapped, it seems to be a very small percentage," Edwards said. "There were occasions where a select few of these men engaged in sexual acts with a select few of the girls that Jeffrey Epstein was exploiting or abusing -- primarily girls who were over the age of 18."
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"It's difficult to even discern, when he would send a woman to one of his friends, whether that was even a motivation. What he was not is a person on the top of a sex trafficking operation that was sending women to powerful people around the world so that he could make money. It was not a business."
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Again this is one of the leading lawyers for Epstein's accusers. His name is all over the Epstein case and he's represented almost every one of the prominent accusers we know, as well as several who remain anonymous.

He has every motivation to go after prominent people, but he's going against the public narrative as well as the allegations of his more prominent "small percentage" clients who have accused famous people. I summarized the problems with some of them in the other thread.

After that, what's left of the conspiracy?
 
so we can say that there were a select few men who he sent women, primarily over the age of 18 but some of whom were underage, were his friends.

then i think, well it seems all of his friends were powerful, prominent men. one of them is the president who invents a new story every time it comes up and seems desperate to block the release of documents that would be exonerating to everyone involved.

so that’s kind of what’s left for me.

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i’ll note that none of the women that spoke publicly claimed trump was involved. still, his behavior regarding it is bizarre and needs an explanation imo
 
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dirtywick said:
so we can say that there were a select few men who he sent women, primarily over the age of 18 but some of whom were underage, were his friends.

then i think, well it seems all of his friends were powerful, prominent men. one of them is the president who invents a new story every time it comes up and seems desperate to block the release of documents that would be exonerating to everyone involved.

so that’s kind of what’s left for me.

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i’ll note that none of the women that spoke publicly claimed trump was involved. still, his behavior regarding it is bizarre and needs an explanation imo
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If I were writing this it would turn out to be that Trump didn't do anything with Epstein's underaged girls, or legal-aged women: the real truth he's trying to suppress is that he fooled around with a dude. That's something a guy like Trump would go to (literally) insane lengths to keep quiet.

If I stop posting abruptly it'll be because I guessed right and Trump's thug army disappeared me for it!
 
i really don’t know, i would consider this a developing story. i don’t think the public has a good picture of what happened. it’s also actively being covered up and the guy doing it, well as of today he was actually an informant for the fbi on epstein

www.dailymail.co.uk

Speaker Mike Johnson claims Trump was an 'FBI informant' on Epstein

House Speaker Mike Johnson has revealed that President Donald Trump was once an ' FBI informant' in relation to Jeffrey Epstein 's illegal activities.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

any skeptical sensing tingling on that one?
 
dirtywick said:
so we can say that there were a select few men who he sent women, primarily over the age of 18 but some of whom were underage, were his friends.

then i think, well it seems all of his friends were powerful, prominent men. one of them is the president who invents a new story every time it comes up and seems desperate to block the release of documents that would be exonerating to everyone involved.

so that’s kind of what’s left for me.
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That's what they allege. And we can't expect Edwards to talk bad about his clients.

Of the publicly available documents we know about Ransome, Giuffre, a woman named Cheri Pierson who accused Epstein's buddy Leon Black of rape but dropped the lawsuit. Those are the ones I remember of legal adults claiming trafficking, could be a few more. But these are described as isolated sexual assaults or just plain sexual intercourse.
 
dirtywick said:
i really don’t know, i would consider this a developing story. i don’t think the public has a good picture of what happened. it’s also actively being covered up and the guy doing it, well as of today he was actually an informant for the fbi on epstein

www.dailymail.co.uk

Speaker Mike Johnson claims Trump was an 'FBI informant' on Epstein

House Speaker Mike Johnson has revealed that President Donald Trump was once an ' FBI informant' in relation to Jeffrey Epstein 's illegal activities.
www.dailymail.co.uk www.dailymail.co.uk

any skeptical sensing tingling on that one?
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Interesting. This is what Michael Wolff says Epstein told him about Trump, that he perhaps was the one who "dropped the dime" on him.
 
We can also say that a lot of rich and powerful people knew about Epstein sexually abusing minors and did nothing about it
 
i think trump flipping on epstein to get out of money laundering for russia is a buyable premise for this as well.
 
TragicMonkey said:
If I stop posting abruptly it'll be because I guessed right and Trump's thug army disappeared me for it!
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Narrator: "It was at this point TM realised the opportunity afforded by what he had said, and began to wonder how long he could bear not to log in and post anything to make the joke work. Early in the the following year..." etc.
 

nytimes piece on the jpmorgan inaction on epstein.

One of the enduring mysteries about Epstein is why so many rich and powerful men risked their reputations by continuing to spend time with him after he was registered as a sex offender. Did they value his advice? Consider him a friend? Like tapping into his network? Or was it about sex with the young women who always seemed to be around him?

At least with Staley, the answer might have been all of the above. While Epstein was under house arrest in November 2009, Staley visited his sprawling Zorro Ranch in New Mexico, where girls and young women later accused Epstein of raping and trafficking them. (Epstein also discussedusing the desert compound as a venue for inseminating women in order to seed the human race with his DNA.) Staley emailed Epstein while sipping white wine in the hot tub. “Next time, we’re here together,” he wrote. “I owe you much.” Other messages were littered with apparent sexual references. “That was fun. Say hi to Snow White,” Staley emailed in 2010. Epstein responded by asking which character he would like next. “Beauty and the Beast,” Staley answered.
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