Will tariffs make America great?

Even if it were possible for the Trump administration to somehow turn a voluntary organization within the film industry into a government agency with authority over the film industry, the “basic mechanism” for what you’re describing is most certainly not in place.

The MPAA doesn’t not perform any kind of oversight. They merely screen a movie and tell the filmmakers the rating. The filmmakers remain completely free to make any kind of movie with any kind of content that they want.

And then you still have the problem of lack of force of law (“by decree” does not grant that to the government) that the high-powered film industry attorneys will definitely push back against with great enthusiasm and legal standing.
Of course there's a mechanism in place. A body reviews films and issues a certification.

Yes studios can make any kind of film they want but without a certificate, it cannot go on general release (or at least that's the way it works in the UK) and the type of certificate can make a huge difference to how big a release the film will get and consequently how much money it will make - which is why studios will make changes to a film to ensure it gets the desired certificate.

If the reviewing body decides that any film with a sympathetic gay character either doesn't get a certificate or gets an NC-17 certificate then children won't legally be able to see it. It's not outright banning such content but it does make it commercially much less viable. If you want your Marvel or DC universe movie to get a PG-13 certificate then you have to make sure that the hero is a heterosexual, Christian, white, man.

And regarding the threat of legal action, the US has more lawyers and the Trump administration has repeatedly shown that it's happy to simply ignore judgements against it whilst threatening the judges who have the temerity to rule against it.
 
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I presumed the thing that would be tariffed would be the fee for the rights to show the movie.
Wouldn’t that be a normal tax, and not a tariff? A tariff is, AFAIK, a special tax on something crossing a kind of border.
Well, maybe it doesn’t matter. Trump certainly does not know what a tariff is, and his minions have been selected for their ability to flatter the great man, and not for competence.
 
Wouldn’t that be a normal tax, and not a tariff? A tariff is, AFAIK, a special tax on something crossing a kind of border.
Well, maybe it doesn’t matter. Trump certainly does not know what a tariff is, and his minions have been selected for their ability to flatter the great man, and not for competence.
The right to show the movie is crossing the border and the fee is crossing in the opposite direction. Same as if you purchase a software key or anything of the kind. The physical data/code coming into your possession is not the product you're paying for. The right to use it is.

Seems straightforward enough.
 
Of course there's a mechanism in place. A body reviews films and issues a certification.

There is no body that does that. There is no certification process of any kind for American films.

You should correct this misapprehension and then rethink the rest of your post.
 
There is no body that does that. There is no certification process of any kind for American films.

You should correct this misapprehension and then rethink the rest of your post.
??

In the US, the Motion Picture Association (MPA) film rating system uses a set of age-based guidelines to help parents determine the suitability of films for their children. The ratings, which include G, PG, PG-13, R, and NC-17, indicate the level of maturity and guidance suggested for different age groups.

Here's a breakdown:
  • G (General Audiences): Suitable for all ages.
  • PG (Parental Guidance Suggested): Some material may not be suitable for children.
  • PG-13 (Parents Strongly Cautioned): Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
  • R (Restricted): Under 17 requires accompanying parent or guardian.
  • NC-17 (Adults Only): No one 17 and under admitted.
What am I missing here?
 
I presumed the thing that would be tariffed would be the fee for the rights to show the movie.

Whether that's a distributor for cinema chains or a TV channel or Netflix. If the fee is paid to a non-US company then you pay an additional 100% tax to Trump.

The "tariff" is theoretically applied based on where the movie is filmed, not the country of origin of the production company or distributors. These would all be American companies.
 
There is no body that does that. There is no certification process of any kind for American films.
Correct. It is perfectly legal to exhibit a film in the United States without any sort of government approval or rating. This is what happens in American film festivals such as Sundance and Tribeca. Those films are exhibited for pay to the public, generally in cinemas otherwise operated for profit by private exhibitors. These same theaters often exhibit streamed content and locally-produced content.

The MPA rating system is purely voluntary and carries absolutely no legal authority. It is merely an advisory to parents regarding the reviewers' impression of the film's content.
 
??

In the US, the Motion Picture Association (MPA) film rating system uses a set of age-based guidelines to help parents determine the suitability of films for their children. The ratings, which include G, PG, PG-13, R, and NC-17, indicate the level of maturity and guidance suggested for different age groups.

Here's a breakdown:
  • G (General Audiences): Suitable for all ages.
  • PG (Parental Guidance Suggested): Some material may not be suitable for children.
  • PG-13 (Parents Strongly Cautioned): Some material may be inappropriate for children under 13.
  • R (Restricted): Under 17 requires accompanying parent or guardian.
  • NC-17 (Adults Only): No one 17 and under admitted.
What am I missing here?

Those are ratings, not certifications. And they are completely voluntary and have zero legal standing.

American movies are in no way, shape, or form required to be certified in any way to be shown in America.
 
The right to show the movie is crossing the border and the fee is crossing in the opposite direction. Same as if you purchase a software key or anything of the kind. The physical data/code coming into your possession is not the product you're paying for. The right to use it is.

Seems straightforward enough.

Even if this were feasible, it would only apply to movies produced by foreign companies looking to show them in America. What we're talking about is American production companies and studios filming internationally and then somehow being "tariffed" for that.
 
The "tariff" is theoretically applied based on where the movie is filmed, not the country of origin of the production company or distributors. These would all be American companies.
?? The film world has lots of production companies which are not American.

I thought Trump originally said movies produced outside the US. (I'm not suggesting he fully grasped the implications of his own word choice, but still...) Lots of Hollywood movies have at least some location shots filmed overseas. I think this argument is doomed to circle endlessly unless we can get some sort of grasp on what constitutes a US movie vs a foreign film.
 
... What we're talking about is American production companies and studios filming internationally and then somehow being "tariffed" for that.
Okay. Is that really much different from a US-built car assembled from foreign made parts? If you pay foreigners to shoot your movie, or edit your movie or record the soundtrack or any of the other processes involved, you pay Trump what you pay them.
 
?? The film world has lots of production companies which are not American.

I thought Trump originally said movies produced outside the US. (I'm not suggesting he fully grasped the implications of his own word choice, but still...) Lots of Hollywood movies have at least some location shots filmed overseas. I think this argument is doomed to circle endlessly unless we can get some sort of grasp on what constitutes a US movie vs a foreign film.

The country of origin of the studio or production company would usually determine the nationally of the movie. But what complicates even that is the international partnership on producing movies that is becoming more common, so yes, there is a rabbit hole aspect to all of this.

Which just brings me back to my original point: This would be far too complex and nuanced for even an existing agency run by smart people to manage, let alone for these dumb ◊◊◊◊◊ to do from the ground up.
 
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Okay. Is that really much different from a US-built car assembled from foreign made parts? If you pay foreigners to shoot your movie, or edit your movie or record the soundtrack or any of the other processes involved, you pay Trump what you pay them.

Automobile parts are physical goods that would require import and all the associated documentation that makes them trackable. Movies are not.
 
?? The film world has lots of production companies which are not American.
Indeed, a lot of the films I watch are not produced in America or by American companies.

I thought Trump originally said movies produced outside the US. (I'm not suggesting he fully grasped the implications of his own word choice, but still...) Lots of Hollywood movies have at least some location shots filmed overseas. I think this argument is doomed to circle endlessly unless we can get some sort of grasp on what constitutes a US movie vs a foreign film.
Indeed I have worked on American productions that shot on locations overseas. You have one kind of a "production company" that is American, but they generally don't own or carry around the physical means of production, the equipment. You get to the location and you rent the equipment from a local company and hire a local different-kind-of "production company" to provide the labor: the stagehands, catering, casting, etc.

The tariff model is based on imposing a surcharge on individual widgets arriving in a country intended for sale as individual widgets. It really fails when you're talking about the intellectual property produced by a consortium of service industries.

The President is just as inept over tariffs as he is over everything else he's attempted except bullying.
 
An MPA rating is not required in order to exhibit a film publicity for profit.
Oh, cheers.

This seems to mean that "No one 17 and under admitted." isn't phrased very well?
 
Automobile parts are physical goods that would require import and all the associated documentation that makes them trackable. Movies are not.
Payments for products which are in the end just bits sent over the internet would make tax evasion easier than a container load of gearboxes, but the payments are still going out of the country to pay for the work and have to be accounted for.

I'm not suggesting it's a good idea, but I don't see what the practical problem is with taxing payments for work done overseas.
 
I'm not suggesting it's a good idea, but I don't see what the practical problem is with taxing payments for work done overseas.
It's not clear how, when, and in what form the service will have crossed a border and thereby have become subject to a tax. If I hire someone to make a hotel reservation for me in a foreign country, and then go there to to stay in the hotel, what part of that service exists in the United States? How is the payment captured and taxed?
 
Trump said he already had 200 deals.
And he said he dictates what each deal is.

Taken together, we realise he has as many deals as he thinks he has. He only has to imagine a deal and he has another one.

Very simple. Utterly worthless.
 
Indeed, a lot of the films I watch are not produced in America or by American companies.


Indeed I have worked on American productions that shot on locations overseas. You have one kind of a "production company" that is American, but they generally don't own or carry around the physical means of production, the equipment. You get to the location and you rent the equipment from a local company and hire a local different-kind-of "production company" to provide the labor: the stagehands, catering, casting, etc.

The tariff model is based on imposing a surcharge on individual widgets arriving in a country intended for sale as individual widgets. It really fails when you're talking about the intellectual property produced by a consortium of service industries.

The President is just as inept over tariffs as he is over everything else he's attempted except bullying.
Kinda what I was thinking... so a theater in the USA gets a digital distribution of a movie form India. Their payment is 40% of gross ticket sales to the distributor... What is the tariff on it exactly?!
 
It's not clear how, when, and in what form the service will have crossed a border and thereby have become subject to a tax. If I hire someone to make a hotel reservation for me in a foreign country, and then go there to to stay in the hotel, what part of that service exists in the United States? How is the payment captured and taxed?
I had not considered that Trump might intend a tariff somehow on worldwide distribution of a film. I was only thinking of US distribution.

If a Hollywood studio funds a movie made entirely overseas and distributes it worldwide except in the US, I'm not sure if that's something Trump is interested in taxing. On reflection his stated aim was to bolster Hollywood studio production, so maybe, though I agree it's hard to see how it would be done.
 
This seems to mean that "No one 17 and under admitted." isn't phrased very well?
It's inaccurate to construe it in a sense that it conveys a legal obligation or prohibition that is inherent in the rating, and thus that the rating agency has legal authority to enforce access restrictions for minors. The MPA can advise that the film is unsuitable for minors and may state the reasons for its determination. But whether a theater actually forbids minors to see the film is largely a matter of the theater's policy.

However, as you approach the NC-17 content you approach material that is considered by statute to be harmful to minors. It is criminally unlawful in almost all jurisdictions, for example, to exhibit explicit sexual content to a minor. It is the nature of the material itself, not some third party's opinion of its suitability, that determines criminal liability. A theater could exhibit an unrated film that has explicit sexual content, and would be criminally liable if it did so for minors. It is perfectly lawful to exhibit an unrated film to the public, but it is not lawful to exhibit explicit sexual conduct to a minor regardless of any third-party rating.

The NC-17 rating can fairly put cinemas on notice that they should know the material is unsuitable for minors in the statutory sense. That's where it finally has some teeth. But it's still not a legal requirement to have an MPA rating before you exhibit a film. Nor is the MPA's opinion of the film's content of any legal significance in determining whether a minor has been harmed.

Further, there are lesser offenses such as contributing to the delinquency of a minor that might come into play for lesser film ratings like R or PG-13. Here again there is literally no legally enforceable obligation to keep children under 13 from viewing a PG-13 movie. But because the rating puts a theater on notice for the content, it can be considered fair warning of the delinquencifying content. But in all such cases at law, it is the nature of the content as determined separately by the court that matters, not the rating.

But you have to be careful, because civil claims for contributing to delinquency can arise if a theater ignores a policy they might have of respecting the age recommendations in the MPA ratings. If a theater has a policy of actually requiring proof of age for PG-13 movies, and it lets in an unaccompanied 12-year-old without proof of age, then there may be standing for the parent to sue. But I wouldn't take those odds.
 
Payments for products which are in the end just bits sent over the internet would make tax evasion easier than a container load of gearboxes, but the payments are still going out of the country to pay for the work and have to be accounted for.

I'm not suggesting it's a good idea, but I don't see what the practical problem is with taxing payments for work done overseas.

I have no idea how you think that would be tracked and who would be tracking it. Nor is it as clean and straightforward as you make it seem. It's not like Paramount Pictures in Los Angeles, California is cutting checks to the crew that is hired for shooting at a foreign location. They have subsidiaries and production partners doing that. The financials of producing a movie are notoriously byzantine.

Furthermore, we're not talking about anything resembling a "tariff" anymore. No matter how much most U.S. corporations seem fine allowing the country to backslide into authoritarianism, there is not a single one of them that is going to sit still if a massive tax hike with no legal authority is levied against their business.
 
I had not considered that Trump might intend a tariff somehow on worldwide distribution of a film. I was only thinking of US distribution.

If a Hollywood studio funds a movie made entirely overseas and distributes it worldwide except in the US, I'm not sure if that's something Trump is interested in taxing. On reflection his stated aim was to bolster Hollywood studio production, so maybe, though I agree it's hard to see how it would be done.

The dumbest part about this idea is that with some notable exceptions (Vancouver, for instance, is famously used as a filming location to represent American cities), a lot of filming in foreign locales is because the movies or sequences being filmed take space in that locale.

American studios aren't filming in Paris because it's cheaper. They're filming in Paris because the movie they're filming is set in Paris.
 
Those are ratings, not certifications. And they are completely voluntary and have zero legal standing.

American movies are in no way, shape, or form required to be certified in any way to be shown in America.
Yeah but good luck getting one shown in a multiplex without a rating. May not be a legal requirement but it is a practical necessity if you want to show your film outside of festivals or arthouse cinemas.
 
Well there you go, make it a government entity by decree and you have your basic mechanism, if you actually wanted to do it - which we agree isn't Trump's objective, his objective is to look like a big man and to generate headlines.

It would also have the added bonus of allowing the government a way of removing "woke" and other undesirable content. They may not actually ban a movie which has a sympathetic gay, trans, or liberal character or which promotes an "unacceptable" message but they can give it an NC-17 certificate which will prevent it "damaging" children.
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Yeah but good luck getting one shown in a multiplex without a rating. May not be a legal requirement but it is a practical necessity if you want to show your film outside of festivals or arthouse cinemas.

No one has denied that nor does it have anything to do with the point.
 
Yes, but the deals are so great for the US that the other countries are understandably reluctant to talk about them.....

And presumably Trump's own famed reticence, particularly with regard his own achievements, is coming into play?
 
Starmer giving details later.

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@realDonald Trump
Big News Conference tomorrow morning at 10:00 A.M., The Oval Office, concerning a MAJOR TRADE DEAL WITH REPRESENTATIVES OF A BIG, AND HIGHLY RESPECTED, COUNTRY. THE FIRST OF MANY!!!
 
First 100,000 cars exported from UK to IUSA will be tariff free.

That's about the total number we export to the USA every year.
And of course even if they relax the rules on importing US beef what supermarket chain is going to buy it?
 
There's no change in food safety standards. Any beef that comes in will have to meet UK standards.
 

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