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Will JREF Go On Without Randi?

Luke T.

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So what will happend to JREF when Randi crosses over, you think? Will it go on? Will this forum survive or be unplugged?

It seems obvious to me that the forum and the foundation will both vanish from the face of the Earth. I realize that a terrific guy has been given the titular reins, but there doesn't seem to be anything forthcoming. If you live outside the JREF bubble, there is dead silence out in the real world.

Is the man in the street even aware of the JREF's existence any more?

It just feels like the whole thing is winding down.

What say you?
 
The Million Dollar Prize is an effective enough bludgeon to remain in the public consciousness.
 
So what will happend to JREF when Randi crosses over, you think? Will it go on? Will this forum survive or be unplugged?

Crosses over?

Surely the fact that Phil Plait is now in charge of the JREF would suggest that plans are already being followed to ensure the continuation of the Foundation.
 
Depends on what Phil Plait (the current President of JREF) does, I suspect.

If he can fulfill his promise to make JREF have more of an impact on improving education, I think it will have a very bright future! But, it's not going to happen over night. We should give him a little time.

Maybe he will update us during TAM7.

The JREF Million Dollar Challenge is going away in a couple of years. But, others will crop up, to take its place. There already are a few strewn around.


And, the forum community will likely survive! Hypothetically speaking: Even if this Forum goes down permanently (which I hope doesn't happen, but this is hypothetical), we will find some other way to stick together as a community!
 
It's my understanding that JREF has been busy making plans ever since (and probably before) Randi's heart problem last year. So, once Randi has left us (or retires to wherever someone already in Florida retires to), the JREF will go on as an Educational Foundation (and Forum).
 
It seems obvious to me that the forum and the foundation will both vanish from the face of the Earth.
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If you live outside the JREF bubble, there is dead silence out in the real world.
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What say you?
I say that it seems like you are erroneously basing your views on a mistaken assumption that you have an accurate idea of the real world

One plus one does not equal eleventy
 
I say that it seems like you are erroneously basing your views on a mistaken assumption that you have an accurate idea of the real world

One plus one does not equal eleventy

But it does equal the number of people who have heard of JREF outside of the 2000 or so here.

That leaves about 300 million who have not. Give or take eleventy.

I have been around since this forum began. A month or so after it started up. Don't let the date under my username fool you. I have been here since August 2001.

I also have known of Randi since I was a kid. I even consulted him personally in 1996 about an issue of my mother being taken advantage of by charlatans.

I do not see anywhere near the amount of activity out of JREF since Randi semi-retired.

And without the Million Dollar Challenge, what's left?

Is Phil going to go on tour like Randi? Appear on the Tonight Show?

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I hope so.
 
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One plus one does not equal eleventy
But it does equal the number of people who have heard of JREF outside of the 2000 or so here.
That you so persist with the self-delusion and willful ignorance is sadly fascinating

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I have quite a few friends and acquaintances who - like me - have not only known about Randi for many, many years but also have heard that the MDC is soon to 'close'

Many of them have asked me for more info, simply because they know that - for the last couple of years - I have been registered here and they don't even lurk​
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Another anecdote - I have lots of friends and acquaintances, many of whom live in USA and Europe.

Not one of them had ever heard of James Randi or the JREF. Some of them were aware that "someone" had a million-dollar challenge for pyschics. In fact, a whole forum - almost as large as this one - had one member who knew that "Whatsisname" had a challenge, which I managed to figure out was a reference to Randi's one.

Swapping anecdotes is great!
 
That's kinda the whole point, folks. All we can do is speculate. There is no information forthcoming.
 
Swapping anecdotes is great!
Can be...

However, I'm confuzzled...

Are you suggesting that your anecdote reinforces the notion that 'eleventy does equal the number of people who have heard of JREF outside of the 2000 or so here'?
 
What sort of information would you expect them to put out about this type of speculation?

Randi was an extremely active man. Constant televisoin appearances, a great deal of globetrotting, college and classroom lectures. Widely publicized million dollar challenge tests.

It was easy to see what Randi was up to, and what JREF was up to. After all, before TAM, there was JREF and Randi.

So if one was to ask Randi, hey, watcha up to, he could blow your doors off. He did blow my doors off in 1996 when I talked to him. I was stunned at his energy and his activity. He rattled off his schedule to me like bullets.

Hey, JREF, watcha up to these days?

TAM? Everyone inside the JREF bubble gets something out of it, but it isn't quite the JREF of old.

The Million Dollar Challenge is going away? That's Randi's signature!

Worrisome.
 
Hey, JREF, watcha up to these days?

TAM? Everyone inside the JREF bubble gets something out of it, but it isn't quite the JREF of old.

And yet, every year there are more and more people there, to the point where there's now going to be a European edition.

This does not strike me as indicative of an organization that is "winding down."
 
And yet, every year there are more and more people there, to the point where there's now going to be a European edition.

This does not strike me as indicative of an organization that is "winding down."

And Randi is still around.
 
Looks to me like the forums and TAMs do nothing but grow.

Is this a good indicator of public awareness of the Foundation and its goals?

What is JREF doing to carry the message to the masses? A TAM certainly doesn't do that.

Perhaps people do a search of "psychics" on Google and stumble across the forum that way. Which is a good argument for keeping the forum going. But such things as that requires a person to actively seek out knowledge. It does not go to them, they come to it.
 
TAM gets more folks every year.

The Million Dollar challenge is being ended so the money can be freed up for better investments, so that there is more money for the educational part of JREF. This was made clear some months ago, if not a year ago.

Phil Plaitt has taken over and would like to do as much media as possible. It takes time to get that kind of clout, however, and even Randi didn't have a ton of appearances off the tonight show. Most of what he did besides the tonight show was Larry King, and those weren't exactly great for anyone. Media appearances will take time to bring up to speed.

The JREF has added videos to youtube, despite the recent setback with the account. Randi is at least making a modern effort to get the word out.

Winding down? Given that in the past the mantra seemed to be 'When Randi dies the JREF and its one or two employees will get folded into the skeptics society', and now it seems to be planning for genuine existence beyond Randi....

Winding down? I think you've not been paying attention.
 
TAM gets more folks every year.

The Million Dollar challenge is being ended so the money can be freed up for better investments, so that there is more money for the educational part of JREF. This was made clear some months ago, if not a year ago.

Phil Plaitt has taken over and would like to do as much media as possible. It takes time to get that kind of clout, however, and even Randi didn't have a ton of appearances off the tonight show. Most of what he did besides the tonight show was Larry King, and those weren't exactly great for anyone. Media appearances will take time to bring up to speed.

The JREF has added videos to youtube, despite the recent setback with the account. Randi is at least making a modern effort to get the word out.

Winding down? Given that in the past the mantra seemed to be 'When Randi dies the JREF and its one or two employees will get folded into the skeptics society', and now it seems to be planning for genuine existence beyond Randi....

Winding down? I think you've not been paying attention.

I have used the LKL appearances by Randi like a hammer. You had not one, but two, psychics on LKL within a few days before 9/11, and neither one said a word about the impending terrorist attack.

I've seen Phil on the History channel recently.
 
Is this a good indicator of public awareness of the Foundation and its goals?

What is JREF doing to carry the message to the masses? A TAM certainly doesn't do that.
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I disagree. TAM increased its size dramatically when it moved from Winter to Summer simply because more teachers could attend.

You know, teachers. The ones who educate children. Influence their thinking, et al.

Or do you measure success by how many times Randi shows up on Larry King and doesn't get to say anything meaningful?
 
Are you suggesting that your anecdote reinforces the notion that 'eleventy does equal the number of people who have heard of JREF outside of the 2000 or so here'?

Nope, I was just giving an anecdote which is the exact opposite of yours, but which is nevertheless true.

What impact and brand awareness JREF has, I have no idea.
 
Or do you measure success by how many times Randi shows up on Larry King and doesn't get to say anything meaningful?

Do you consider getting Sylvia Browne on LKL to agree to taking the MDC meaningless?

Randi sure didn't.

What sort of media attention does TAM get outside of some local society pages and skeptic blogs?

I am not saying TAMs are valueless. They have value. For people already aware of JREF.
 
You know, a leading member of JREF once said that 97 percent of the topics on this forum were valueless to the cause of skepticism and the foundation.
 
Isn't the increase in the size of the forum membership and TAM attendance just another anecdote of the impact of JREF on the general public?
 
I think the MDC was worth far more than its cost.
So what? You don't control the purse strings

swift-january-4-2008 THE JREF MILLION-DOLLAR CHALLENGE

All this brings us to the Subject of the Week here on SWIFT.
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It was March 6th, 1998, when the JREF Million-Dollar Challenge first came into existence. That’s almost ten years ago. It’s always been a simple, direct, matter: do what you claim you can do of a paranormal nature, and walk away with the prize. Our expectations at first were that we’d attract major personalities by this means, but they’ve avoided having to take the test by simply not applying; those who have actually applied are generally honestly self-deluded persons who have difficulty stating what they can do, which can be understood if they really don’t know what they’re experiencing; we at JREF have gone through involved procedures to help them recognize their problems. Usually, they have indicated that they don’t know what real scientific rules are, when it comes down to their actually being properly tested.

All this is obvious to anyone who has followed the action over the last decade. Now, while the JREF earns a certain income from having the prize money very conservatively invested, that sum could certainly be used more productively if it were made freely available to us.

As of March 6th, 2010 – twelve years after the challenge was first offered – it will be.

The James Randi Educational Foundation Million-Dollar Challenge will be discontinued 24 months from this coming March 6th, and those prize funds will then be available to generally add to our flexibility. This move will free us to do many more projects, which will be announced at that time.

This means that all those wishing to be claimants are required to get their applications in before the deadline, properly filled out and notarized as described in the published rules.

Now, we’re sure that there will be those who will offer all kinds of objections to this decision – though they could have simply applied and won the prize. There will be accusations that the JREF is concerned about the safety of the prize money – which was never any sort of concern, I can assure you – and there will be more claims that the money was never there in the first place. I can see the professionals out there sighing in relief that they no longer have to answer questions about why they won’t take the prize, and they’ll just wait out the remaining period that the prize is available. All that’s to be expected.

Ten years is long enough to wait. The hundreds of poorly-constructed applications, and the endless hours of phone, e-mail, and in-person discussions we’ve had to suffer through, will be things of the past, for us at the JREF.

Those who believe they have mystic powers now have two full years to apply… Let’s see what happens.
 
Wouldn't a more reliable data set be a national poll on UFOs, ghosts, psychics, and such?
 
Isn't the increase in the size of the forum membership and TAM attendance just another anecdote of the impact of JREF on the general public?
No more than the deaths from gun shot wound to the head is an anecdote of the impact of a bullet against someone's head.
 
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