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Who will win next weeks presidential debate?

Who will win next week's presidential debate?

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I went draw but both claim victory. Trump's ego won't allow him to back out, and Biden won't be 100% sure where he is until it's too late and he's walking on stage!

I probably won't watch it, but it'll be interesting to read about the next day.
 
theprestige said:
The debates haven't been win/lose events for a long time.
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Your imagination has taken a critical hit these last few years. I think I've seen you spend more time complaining about people starting threads, what those threads are about, and what people say than ever before.
 
Functionally, it'll be a draw. Trump will of course claim victory, because that's how he thinks, even when it's not applicable. Biden will let it ride, because "victory" doesn't make sense in this context, and it's better to just do the thing and quietly hope it gives you a bump at the polls.
 
It will of course be a farce, with Trump constantly interrupting and calling Biden a poopeyhead or whatever. I'd rather watch a test pattern.
 
I am wondering how they will handle muting Trump's microphone when it isn't Trump's turn to talk anymore.

They say they'll do it. But I keep imagining them not doing it consistently. Like (very quietly) spending five minutes asking him to stop talking before they actually mute the mike. Or he loudly demands for it to be turned back on and they do it because (dumb) reasons.

Or he just leaves his podium and gets close enough to Biden's to get picked up on Biden's mike.

Or he just can't handle being muted and walks off.
 
It's going to be a ****show of epic proportions.

They'll ask Trump who won the previous election.

Biden will mumble a lot.

The moderators (Jake Tapper and Dana Bash) will put their thumbs on the scale to help Biden out.

Trump will complain about the mic cutting.

We need a drinking game.
 
crescent said:
I am wondering how they will handle muting Trump's microphone when it isn't Trump's turn to talk anymore.

They say they'll do it. But I keep imagining them not doing it consistently. Like (very quietly) spending five minutes asking him to stop talking before they actually mute the mike. Or he loudly demands for it to be turned back on and they do it because (dumb) reasons.

Or he just leaves his podium and gets close enough to Biden's to get picked up on Biden's mike.

Or he just can't handle being muted and walks off.
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My guess is they'll be pretty aggressive with the mic cutting. They're also not having a live audience this time. I think they'll really only have one mic active at most times, although I could be wrong.

Even when his mic is cut, Trump will make faces and gesticulate to show that he thinks what Biden is saying is nonsense. In most cases, he'll be right.

Interesting to speculate what the questions might be, other than "who won the last election?". They'll probably have to say something about the felonies. They should mention inflation and immigration, but we'll see.
 
Not going to happen. But if it does happen, Trump will probably not answer a single question and will just say whatever comes off the top of his head.

I want it to happen. I want Trump to make such a big fool of himself that only committed MAGATS will vote for him. But I'm 95% sure he'll back out, he'll claim that it's rigged or feign illness.
 
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Biden will win because Trump will back out at the last minute or cuz he won't be able to interrupt Biden due to the mic-mute feature.
 
shemp said:
he'll claim that it's rigged or feign illness.
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He would never feign illness; that's weakness. Only weak old Democrats like my opponent get illness. My health is perfect. It's so perfect. I have doctors I don't even know come up to me and say: "Sir, you are the healthiest person I've ever seen!"

But claiming it's rigged or otherwise aggrieving? Absolutely.
 
theprestige said:
Okay, but who will win?

What even is the win condition, in a presidential campaign? Who swung an election-winning number of swing voters with their debate performance?
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I would argue that a Presidential Debate is indented to test the Candidates on policy questions on problems the upcoming administration will face: the public is supposed to learn if the candidates seem qualified to deal with the issues both from a perspective of Policy and a perspective of skill.

It's easy to fake that if you are prepared.
Trump won't be, so for a person looking for a President able to solve the problems of the country, he will be seen as the loser.

For anyone who thinks the entire system needs to be replaced, the less coherent Trump is, the more like the winner he will seem: a maverick playing by his own Rulez!
 
Whoever you think will win is going to win, no matter who you are or who you think will win.

Actually, its basically pass fail for Biden, if he comes across a super old and possibly senile, its a loss. If comes across as kind of old and possibly not senile, its a win. Doesn't matter for Trump, I'm surprised he agreed in the first place.

This is based on my belief that trump could shoot Biden and the moderators in the face and his voters would still vote for him. Biden on the other hand can probably alienate some of his voters and have them not show up if it's a bad enough showing.

I've had a really low opinion of the presidential debates for decades though. I can sort of see the use of the primary debates, especially if there's a lot of candidates with similar opinions but the general debates just seem like something to the opinion shows something to talk about.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
I would argue that a Presidential Debate is indented to test the Candidates on policy questions on problems the upcoming administration will face: the public is supposed to learn if the candidates seem qualified to deal with the issues both from a perspective of Policy and a perspective of skill.
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Well, that's high minded and optimistic, seems more likely to test the candidates glibness.

It's easy to fake that if you are prepared.Trump won't be, so for a person looking for a President able to solve the problems of the country, he will be seen as the loser.

For anyone who thinks the entire system needs to be replaced, the less coherent Trump is, the more like the winner he will seem: a maverick playing by his own Rulez!
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There's almost a rule at this point that incumbents have a bad showing in the first debate on account of that. After 3.5 years of everyone kissing their ass they're unprepared for someone to challenge them directly and don't prepare enough, or so goes the theory.
 
Might be interesting to listen to earlier presidential debates from the decades before 2021 to compare against this one next week. I don't have a good feeling that the quality will improve or even just be similar.
 
ahhell said:
Whoever you think will win is going to win, no matter who you are or who you think will win.

Actually, its basically pass fail for Biden, if he comes across a super old and possibly senile, its a loss. If comes across as kind of old and possibly not senile, its a win. Doesn't matter for Trump, I'm surprised he agreed in the first place.

This is based on my belief that trump could shoot Biden and the moderators in the face and his voters would still vote for him. Biden on the other hand can probably alienate some of his voters and have them not show up if it's a bad enough showing.

I've had a really low opinion of the presidential debates for decades though. I can sort of see the use of the primary debates, especially if there's a lot of candidates with similar opinions but the general debates just seem like something to the opinion shows something to talk about.
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It's worse than that. Biden could acidentally refer to the previous president of Iran in the present tense and we'll see a bunch of think pieces from all over the media about Biden being too old. Trump could scream every racial slur in the book, **** in his hands and autograph the walls with it and the media at large will note that he spelled his name right and wonder if that is a sign he is finally pivoting to being more presidential.
 
Biden will easily clear the very low expectations bar his opponents have set for him, such as those deep fake videos from the D Day commemoration.
 
I'm hoping Trump will make self-incriminating statements and violate some of the gag orders from his current trials, and face actual consequences from that. I don't expect that to happen, certainly not the second part. But I can hope.
 
Would real time fact checking be too much to ask? I honestly don't expect Trump to show up, but were he to, I'd like to see him held to account on his B.S. in real time, not the day after.
 
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Mike! said:
Would real time fact checking be too much to ask? I honestly don't expect Trump to show up, but were he to, I'd like to see him held to account on his B.S. in real time, not the day after.
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Only if they do it for Biden too, second most dishonest president in history.

Unless you believe he:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/interactive/2021/biden-fact-checker-100-days/

ETA: granted, most of you are kids but the reason he dropped out of his first presidential run was on account of the lying.
 
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one would assume biden's lies are much less stupid than trumps

anyway trump appears to be descending into madness. i think it's going to be a challenge for him to get on a stage and not sound like a crazy person without the heavy editing he's been getting in his media friendly appearances. to the guys who hate people who sound like crazy idiots, trump has already lost.

biden will, of course, sound old. to the people that seem to really hate guys who sound old, biden has already lost.
 
If only Tapper and Bash could carefully craft the questions to goad The FPaCFDJT into going off on some crazy tangent.
 
crescent said:
I am wondering how they will handle muting Trump's microphone when it isn't Trump's turn to talk anymore.

They say they'll do it. But I keep imagining them not doing it consistently. Like (very quietly) spending five minutes asking him to stop talking before they actually mute the mike. Or he loudly demands for it to be turned back on and they do it because (dumb) reasons.

Or he just leaves his podium and gets close enough to Biden's to get picked up on Biden's mike.

Or he just can't handle being muted and walks off.
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sir drinks-a-lot said:
It's going to be a ****show of epic proportions.

They'll ask Trump who won the previous election.

Biden will mumble a lot.

The moderators (Jake Tapper and Dana Bash) will put their thumbs on the scale to help Biden out.

Trump will complain about the mic cutting.

We need a drinking game.
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Pretty much sums it up for me. It amazes me that anyone would watch, thinking that any substance will come out of it. (Actually I suspect a lot of people will watch because they know it will be "entertaining" and have little real value)
 
dirtywick said:
biden will, of course, sound old. to the people that seem to really hate guys who sound old, biden has already lost.
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Yeah like all the liberals when McCain ran :rolleyes: Actually, he didn't even sound old, but of course it was just a lame excuse to hate on him.

Really, this debate, like Trump's conviction, mean nothing. People's standards are so low and mindless blind extremism so rampant that Trump could come off like an obnoxious if not outright psychotic loon and Biden could come off like a bumbling, inept, senile oaf and still 99.9% of all conservatives will vote for Trump and 99.9% of all liberals will vote for Biden.

So.....close race.
 
This might get decent viewership numbers.
Generally, most people only watch recaps on whatever outlet will make their guy look good
 
IMO only President Trump can win. :(

Unless President Biden delivers a highly energetic, flawless performance without a single verbal misstep then it'll be evidence of his mental decline - and even if he does, contrasts will be made with prior, slight flubs and his mental acuity will still be questioned.

Unless President Trump literally soils himself visibly and audibly on camera then it'll be evidence of him pivoting to being presidential - and even if he does soil himself, he'll just be drawing attention to the silent suffering of millions. :rolleyes:
 
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