Who should run for the Dems?

Cant really love America, democracy, freedom, womens' rights, defending international institutions and allies, and yet say you would vote for Trump over AOC. AOC isn't perfect but she is light years better than trump.
 
I think AOC is wrong about most things, but she wouldn't be running a constant series of stress tests on the constitution, the world economy, and international relations. So, I'd vote for her over Trump if it came down to it.
 
I think AOC is wrong about most things, but she wouldn't be running a constant series of stress tests on the constitution, the world economy, and international relations. So, I'd vote for her over Trump if it came down to it.
Bernie, AOC, I'd vote for both over Trump.
 
Get real, both of you. Hillary won the popular vote, and only lost the electoral vote because she insulted half the electorate and failed to campaign in the most important swing states. Kamala never had a chance...not because she's black of female, but because she was a terrible candidate—a woke empty suit who half the time couldn't complete a sentence.
Get real? Take a look at yourself. You're a conservative voter that sees woke under the bed. None of what you said about Kamala is remotely near the truth. "Couldn't complete a sentence"? That's hilarious - you obvious only saw Fox News mashups.
 
Your whataboutism red herring notwithstanding, I have listened to both speak, and Harris makes Trump look like a Rhodes scholar.
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Here are two transcripts of speeches made during the campaign. One is by Donald Trump, one is by Kamala Harris. Both are sourced from the same transcription service, so any potential biases due to the source apply to both. Can you tell which is which?

They better not. I don’t think they’re going to get your job. I’ll fight for you. They’re not getting your job. Nobody’s getting his job. But I will tell you, they’re taking African American jobs and Hispanic American jobs. You know who else they’re really affecting? The unions. And I have to tell you, we have a lot of Teamsters here. Do we have a lot of Teamsters? We have Teamsters, and I think we’re doing 89% or something with the Teamsters. And they have a great leader. I hope Sean is listening right now. But we have a shot at even getting it from the top. I think we have a shot. But we have great Teamsters. They worked for me a lot in New York because they did the concrete trucks and other things, and they were incredible.

Well, I have a very different vision. I have a very different vision for our economy. I believe we need to grow our middle class and make sure our economy works for everyone. For people like the people in the neighborhood where I grew up and the hardworking Americans I meet every day across our nation. So I call my vision the opportunity economy, and it’s about making sure everyone can find a job and more. Because frankly, having a job, I believe in our ambition and aspiration should be baseline and we should aspire and have the ambition and plan to do more. I want Americans and families to be able to not just get by, but be able to get ahead. To thrive, be able to thrive. I don’t want you to have to worry about making your monthly rent if your car breaks down. I want you to be able to save up for your child’s education, to take a nice vacation from time to time. I want you to be able to buy Christmas presents for your loved ones without feeling anxious when you’re looking at your bank statement.

Which of these is clearer and more coherent? Which uses complete sentences and which is disjointed and rambling?

I actually had some trouble finding a paragraph of Trump's that didn't mention himself or otherwise clearly identify who the speaker was. Here are both full transcripts:

Finally I'd like to draw your attention to these two linked episodes of the Know Rogan Experience, in particular the second one, in which Marsh and Cecil really break down Trump's speech patterns and why it is not clear complete sentences "weaving" in and out, it is in fact random incoherent rambling.

 
Get real? Take a look at yourself. You're a conservative voter that sees woke under the bed. None of what you said about Kamala is remotely near the truth. "Couldn't complete a sentence"? That's hilarious - you obvious only saw Fox News mashups.
Your talking out of your ass. I'm way left of center both socially and economically and have voted Democratic my whole life. I voted for Trump largely because the alternative was a pro-Hamas woke airhead.
 
Your talking out of your ass. I'm way left of center both socially and economically and have voted Democratic my whole life. I voted for Trump largely because the alternative was a pro-Hamas woke airhead.
Way left of centre? You don't act like it.

For a start, Harris wasn't woke, pro-Hamas, or an airhead. No need to argue, I know you'd disagree, this isn't the thread for that.

If you've been a Democrat, would you vote for AOC if she was up against Trump?
 
Cant really love America, democracy, freedom, womens' rights, defending international institutions and allies, and yet say you would vote for Trump over AOC. AOC isn't perfect but she is light years better than trump.
In what world are we faced with that choice? People are still telling themselves that Trump is going to run? He's not. I get that he will hint for the next two years that he can, but he's wrong and he knows it.
 
Way left of centre?
Yes. Up in the far upper left corner of every political attitudes test I've ever taken.
For a start, Harris wasn't woke, pro-Hamas, or an airhead. No need to argue, I know you'd disagree, this isn't the thread for that.
She was and is definitely woke and airhead (or, if you prefer, an empty suit). And if she isn't pro-Hamas, then why did she warn Israel not to attack Rafah, when that is where the head of Hamas was hiding and was finally killed? Failure to eliminate Hamas, means that Hamas continues its endless rocket attacks on Israel, rearms, and re-enacts October 7. How is that not being pro-HamasÜ
If you've been a Democrat, would you vote for AOC if she was up against Trump?
No, because she is überwoke and pro-Hamas.
 
Yes. Up in the far upper left corner of every political attitudes test I've ever taken.

She was and is definitely woke and airhead (or, if you prefer, an empty suit). And if she isn't pro-Hamas, then why did she warn Israel not to attack Rafah, when that is where the head of Hamas was hiding and was finally killed? Failure to eliminate Hamas, means that Hamas continues its endless rocket attacks on Israel, rearms, and re-enacts October 7. How is that not being pro-HamasÜ

No, because she is überwoke and pro-Hamas.
"I condemn any individuals associating with the brutal terrorist organization Hamas, which has vowed to annihilate the State of Israel and kill Jews." - Kamala Harris



"The violence perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th, murdering more than 1,200 people and kidnapping hundreds of innocent men, women, and children, was a crime against humanity and an atrocity that will shock generations to come." - AOC

 
"I condemn any individuals associating with the brutal terrorist organization Hamas, which has vowed to annihilate the State of Israel and kill Jews." - Kamala Harris


"The violence perpetrated by Hamas on October 7th, murdering more than 1,200 people and kidnapping hundreds of innocent men, women, and children, was a crime against humanity and an atrocity that will shock generations to come." - AOC

Yeah, that's what Harris said too—out of one side of her mouth.
 
Yes. Up in the far upper left corner of every political attitudes test I've ever taken.

She was and is definitely woke and airhead (or, if you prefer, an empty suit). And if she isn't pro-Hamas, then why did she warn Israel not to attack Rafah, when that is where the head of Hamas was hiding and was finally killed? Failure to eliminate Hamas, means that Hamas continues its endless rocket attacks on Israel, rearms, and re-enacts October 7. How is that not being pro-HamasÜ

No, because she is überwoke and pro-Hamas.
It's more likely, as anyone who is not a fanatic would realize, that Harris did not want to see mass civilian loss of life. The fact that the civilian loss of life is of no concern to you does not mean that being concerned about it makes you "überwoke" (nice to see you using the appropriate German there).
 
Your talking out of your ass. I'm way left of center both socially and economically and have voted Democratic my whole life. I voted for Trump largely because the alternative was a pro-Hamas woke airhead.
So you admit to committing treason to your blue values, all because Kamala would not bow before the Judeo-Fascist agenda of annihilating and starving and ethnically cleansing Gaza. Shameful.
 
Your talking out of your ass. I'm way left of center both socially and economically and have voted Democratic my whole life. I voted for Trump largely because the alternative was a pro-Hamas woke airhead.
So you voted Democrat (pull the other one its got bells) but had to stop when the black lady was nominated?
 
Yes. Up in the far upper left corner of every political attitudes test I've ever taken.
Are you bragging about taking an online test? You wanna tell us about your 180 IQ next?
She was and is definitely woke and airhead (or, if you prefer, an empty suit).
Yes, a gun loving cop who walks hand-in-hand with neocons is the very definition of "woke".
And if she isn't pro-Hamas,
She's not
then why did she warn Israel not to attack Rafah, when that is where the head of Hamas was hiding and was finally killed?
Because it was a civilian population and Israel had already claimed they would not conduct military operations in that region.
Failure to eliminate Hamas, means that Hamas continues its endless rocket attacks on Israel, rearms, and re-enacts October 7. How is that not being pro-HamasÜ
So, we should go into Gaza and fight Israel's war for them?
No, because she is überwoke and pro-Hamas.
Did she advocate cutting off weapons to Israel the way Reagan did? No. Did she talk about any type of consequences for Netenyahu's attacks? No. Did she talk about sending weapons into Gaza to assist Hamas? No. Did she talk about lifting any of the sanctions against Hamas or any connected entity? No.
 
So you voted Democrat (pull the other one its got bells) but had to stop when the black lady was nominated?
To be fair, he did say he would vote for RFK Jr who was a Democrat. Probably the most insane Democrat since Strom Thurmond, but hey!
 
So you voted Democrat (pull the other one its got bells) but had to stop when the black lady was nominated?
Fair weather Democrats. Committed to human rights, womens rights, immigrant rights,......until they dare to go against Bibi and his racist agenda. Then they vote MAGA cus foreign racist nationalism is more important than the survival of America.
 
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Are you bragging about taking an online test? You wanna tell us about your 180 IQ next?

Yes, a gun loving cop who walks hand-in-hand with neocons is the very definition of "woke".

She's not

Because it was a civilian population and Israel had already claimed they would not conduct military operations in that region.

So, we should go into Gaza and fight Israel's war for them?

Did she advocate cutting off weapons to Israel the way Reagan did? No. Did she talk about any type of consequences for Netenyahu's attacks? No. Did she talk about sending weapons into Gaza to assist Hamas? No. Did she talk about lifting any of the sanctions against Hamas or any connected entity? No.
No, she refused to accept the genocide in Gaza. So she had to be punished.

Right @jt512 ??
 
My Finnish friend, who has hated democrats and the left ever since his family business somehow got ruined by...taxes...keeps bringing up the 2024 election and Harris and endless stuff about democrtats (the Fox news stuff). He and many more in the center and somewhere to the right fail to see what is happening now. And even what happend with the modern electors. Almost nobody will remember much about Biden or Harris. Other than vaccines and the pandemic. All of the news and the things that happen between 2025-2028 will be blamed on Trump. He himself wants to be in the news, so that is what the voters will remember. All that Trump brings, and a president failing to take blame for anything. For four years.

So no history of democrats will matter. Other than it has to be anyone but Harris. Or any Biden official. Time to move on.
 
Yeah, that's what Harris said too—out of one side of her mouth.
I directly quoted Harris, so of course that is what she said. Your perception of it is skewed. Your blind fealty to Israel makes you hostile to any and all criticisms of its defence forces, no matter how justified.

As for your blind hatred of "woke", that's how you make your living, so you're not changing your mind on that either.

Pity, I feel we could be friends otherwise. I bought that German Grammatik book you recommended.
 
I directly quoted Harris, so of course that is what she said.
Are you so naive to believe that you can rely on a single statement by a politician? Do you believe everything statement that every politician makes? Harris also threatened to cut off U.S. military aid to Israel if they attacked Rafah, where the head of Hamas, among other top Hamas officials, were hiding. Follow along: If Israel did not attack Rafah, it could never win the war against Hamas. That would mean that Hamas would continue to shell Israel, keep all the hostages, rearm, and perpetrate more terrorist attack on Israel. Harris is either an idiot or she understood that. If she understood it is she is pro-Hamas, whether she says so or not. As you know, I think Harris is a dimwit, so the Bayesian probability on the idiot hypothesis is not 0 either.
As for your blind hatred of "woke", that's how you make your living, so you're not changing your mind on that either.
That's how I make my living? Are you going for the record for the number of baseless, false statements one person can make about me in 24 hours?
I feel we could be friends otherwise. I bought that German Grammatik book you recommended.
Ich hoffe, das du die Grammatik nützlich findet.
 
Polling USA on X, May 25, 2025
New York - Democratic Senate Polling:
AOC: 54%
Schumer: 33%
Honan Strategy / May 18, 2025
Poll: AOC leads Schumer in head-to-head New York primary matchup by double digits (Politico, April 4, 2025)
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is leading Chuck Schumer by double digits in a new head-to-head poll of the 2028 New York primary.
The survey by the liberal firm Data for Progress, first shared with POLITICO, found that 55 percent of Democratic likely voters said they supported or leaned toward supporting Rep. Ocasio-Cortez, while 36 percent backed or leaned toward backing Sen. Schumer. Nine percent were undecided.

Seen here:
AOC’s Surge Should TERRIFY The Right (Secular Talk on YouTube, May 29, 2025 - 6:52 min.)
 
What has me worried is Schumer going right up until last possible moment and then declining to run. Instead, he'll throw his support behind someone like Richie Torres or Chelsea Clinton. Basically take all the steam out of AOC's (hypothetical) run and kill her support among centrists.
 
Are you so naive to believe that you can rely on a single statement by a politician? Do you believe everything statement that every politician makes? Harris also threatened to cut off U.S. military aid to Israel if they attacked Rafah, where the head of Hamas, among other top Hamas officials, were hiding. Follow along: If Israel did not attack Rafah, it could never win the war against Hamas. That would mean that Hamas would continue to shell Israel, keep all the hostages, rearm, and perpetrate more terrorist attack on Israel. Harris is either an idiot or she understood that. If she understood it is she is pro-Hamas, whether she says so or not. As you know, I think Harris is a dimwit, so the Bayesian probability on the idiot hypothesis is not 0 either.

That's how I make my living? Are you going for the record for the number of baseless, false statements one person can make about me in 24 hours?

Ich hoffe, das du die Grammatik nützlich findet.
Supporting Lebensraum and starvation in Gaza, then posting in the Fuhrer's tongue. How ironic.
 
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So you voted Democrat (pull the other one its got bells) but had to stop when the black lady was nominated?
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I explained why I didn't, and wouldn't, vote for Harris. It is despicable of you to accuse me of racism.
 
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