Who should run for the Dems?

PitPat said:
The way I see it now (and this could change over night) is the likely candidates in order IMO that can possibly have a chance:

1. Cory Booker
2. Whitmer
3 Mark Kelly (dark horse but they have won before)
4. Newsom
5. Jeffries (if Dems get the House back in midterms)
6. Schiff
7. AOC
8. Sanders (probably too old and left for America at large)
9. Mayor Pete (I think he would be a great president but we're just not ready for a gay one at this point in history)
10. George Clooney
11. Jared Polis (Colorado Governor)
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I still reckon the party establishent will try to impose somebody like Liz Cheney. She's the perfect candidate for them.
 
arthwollipot said:
I'm reasonably sure I've heard democrats say all those thing.
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Yes, but you don't remember where or when a Democratic leader said any of those things.
Are you also reasonably sure that you heard Kamala Harris say that it was nonsense to claim that you can "do both," i.e. extract more fossil fuels than ever and put a stop to anthropogenic global warming simultaneously?
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ETA: also, "you can't say [x] any more" is a very Republican thing to say.
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Interesting, but what has that got to do with anything?
 
dudalb said:
Problem is you don't want to come off as being as extreme as the GOP. You want to look like the sane person in the room.
And the hell there is not any middle to appeal to anymore. The swing, moderate voters sitll have the balance of power, as much as the ideologues hate to admit that.
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There is no middle to appeal to anymore, so that's the segment you should appeal to!
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Appeal to the moderate segment of voters in between the Cheneys and the fascists, as if that strategy hadn't been tried in 2024.
 
Based mainly on the co/efficient survey (see post 348):
AOC Surges To TOP As New Poll Reveals Stunning Democratic Reality Check (The Damage Report on YouTube, May 25, 2025 - 5:13 min.)
Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez surges to the top in new poll over who the American public sees as the new face of Democratic party leadership, with Bernie Sanders coming in second, proving the need for AOC to be considered for top party positions.
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National Approval Study (co/efficient, May 7 to 9, 2025)
Face of the Democratic Party
AOC 26%
Bernie Sanders 12%
Jasmine Crockett 8%
Kamala Harris 6%
Pete Buttigieg 5%
Hakeem Jeffries 5%
Cory Booker 4%
Gavin Newsom 2%
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No one 26%
Other 22%
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AOC would be better than any Republican - they have disqualified themselves by supporting someone who wipes his arse with the Constitution he and they sworn to uphold.
But so would basically everyone.
 
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dann said:
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's numbers are impressive!



Poll: AOC Surges to ‘New Face of the Dem Party’ (Secular Talk on YouTube, May 22, 2025 - 7:58 min.)

Rep. Ocasio-Cortez Warns Republicans That There Will be Consequences for Cutting Medicaid (RepAOC on YouTube, May 22, 2025 - 2:08 min.)

And Ben Shapiro is helping her, albeit not deliberately:
AOC continues to think she's an influencer (Ben Shapiro on YouTube)
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She's Hispanic and a woman. IMO even if she had policies which resonated with 80% of the electorate, people would still find a way not to be sure about her, her experience or her performance under pressure and vote for the white fundamental Christian man running for the GOP instead.
 
Random said:
It is difficult to imagine a left-wing politician as extreme as the current GOP. Right now they are trying to make it illegal for judges to enforce rulings against the government if the plaintiff is poor, slashing Medicaid funding to pay for tax cuts to billionaires, and I dont even know what since I haven't checked in the last half hour. AOC is only really a left-winger in our heavily distorted Overton window. In Europe, she would be a moderate.

And where are the vaunted moderates anyway? We keep being told the Democrats have to appeal to the moderate voters, but Republicans seem to do fine without them. Dig into the numbers and we have a liberal block, a conservative block, and a bunch of low-information voters who chase after the latest distraction. The man who votes against Harris because she didn't do enough to fight inflation and votes for Trump, whose clearly stated policy agenda will increase inflation, is not a "moderate", but a dumb-ass.
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The moderates are already inhabiting the left wing of the Democratic Party. The Democrats and GOP are fighting over conservative right wingers, just not the racist religious fundamentalists - the GOP have those locked in.
 
The Don said:
She's Hispanic and a woman. IMO even if she had policies which resonated with 80% of the electorate, people would still find a way not to be sure about her, her experience or her performance under pressure and vote for the white fundamental Christian man running for the GOP instead.
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It's partly this kind of negativity that put people off Hillary and Kamala. How about a bit of infectious enthusiasm?
 
The Don said:
She's Hispanic and a woman. IMO even if she had policies which resonated with 80% of the electorate, people would still find a way not to be sure about her, her experience or her performance under pressure and vote for the white fundamental Christian man running for the GOP instead.
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◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. America has already had a black president, and a female candidate who won the popular and would have won the electoral vote if she hadn't insulted half the electorate and had actually bothered to campaign in the most-important swing states.

So, black or female is acceptable to the American electorate, but Hispanic and female is not? Give me a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ break. You're getting pretty desperate to cling to your conception of America as hopelessly racist. You need to get over it already.
Orphia Nay said:
It's partly this kind of negativity that put people off Hillary and Kamala. How about a bit of infectious enthusiasm?
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Get real, both of you. Hillary won the popular vote, and only lost the electoral vote because she insulted half the electorate and failed to campaign in the most important swing states. Kamala never had a chance...not because she's black of female, but because she was a terrible candidate—a woke empty suit who half the time couldn't complete a sentence.
 
theprestige said:
The Don has a typically outsider understanding of race in American politics. Which is to say a nonsensical and gratuitously chauvinistic understanding.
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Funny how everyone agrees that US media is too biased to accurately report on politics, yet independent foreign media is always wrong no matter what.
History suggests that most international outlets see much more clearly what is going on.
 
jt512 said:
◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. America has already had a black president,
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and you're still mad about it
jt512 said:
and a female candidate who won the popular and would have won the electoral vote if she hadn't insulted half the electorate
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She didn't insult "half the electorate". She accurately pointed out that while many perspective Trump voters were people with legitimate gripes who felt left behind by the system, there was a very pronounced group of them that are dumb bigots. And millions of you stood up and enthusiastically identified as the latter.
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and had actually bothered to campaign in the most-important swing states.
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ya, but that still doesn't explain losing to a historically awful and unqualified candidate.
jt512 said:
So, black or female is acceptable to the American electorate,
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one or the other. Also, the one half black guy we had followed up a historically unpopular Republican president and campaigned against a guy who was just there because it was his turn. A guy who didn't even have full support of his own party. McCain was a sacrificial lamb while the GOP figured out where to go next.
jt512 said:
but Hispanic and female is not?
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Not at the same time
jt512 said:
Give me a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ break. You're getting pretty desperate to cling to your conception of America as hopelessly racist. You need to get over it already.
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Who just go elected president? An addle brained racist who had a disastrous term already and is somehow shaping up to be worse. A guy you can watch sundown in real time. And here we have to pretend you think Harris couldn't speak.
jt512 said:
Get real, both of you. Hillary won the popular vote, and only lost the electoral vote because she insulted half the electorate and failed to campaign in the most important swing states.
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See above
jt512 said:
Kamala never had a chance...not because she's black of female, but because she was a terrible candidate—a woke empty suit who half the time couldn't complete a sentence.
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"woke" meaning "not racist enough for me".
 
Hercules56 said:
If she has grown up and learned to play nice, she could win.
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Ignoring the attempt to infantilize the grown woman, what do you mean by "play nice"? Run around hand-in-hand with January 6 co-conspirators? Stop campaigning on the issues people care about?
 
Donal said:
Ignoring the attempt to infantilize the grown woman, what do you mean by "play nice"? Run around hand-in-hand with January 6 co-conspirators? Stop campaigning on the issues people care about?
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Cooperate with the Democrats unlike how she was when she was first elected.
 
jt512 said:
...Get real, both of you. Hillary won the popular vote, and only lost the electoral vote because she insulted half the electorate and failed to campaign in the most important swing states. Kamala never had a chance...not because she's black of female, but because she was a terrible candidate—a woke empty suit who half the time couldn't complete a sentence.
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This is nothing but a lie. Kamala was and is very articulate and intelligent. Not sure why you guys feel the need to attack black women in such a...


Oh, got it.
 
You mean uphold Democratic principles? Why is it wrong for her to hold out to get more for her constituents but celebrated for right-wing Dems to do it for their donors?
 
Rhodes scholarship doesn't really have anything to do with Cecil Rhodes anymore.

Do you expect to be taken seriously as an adult with such nonsense? He literally had to stop taking questions from Kristi Noem at a town hall because he was too tired and just wanted to sway to the music. But, hey, the black lady has an awkward laugh.
 
jt512 said:
Your whataboutism red herring notwithstanding, I have listened to both speak, and Harris makes Trump look like a Rhodes scholar.
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So what's with your nonsense about Kamala being unable to complete a sentence?
 
Meh, Harris is a terrible public speaker, she's particularly bad in interviews, but I also realize that's a pretty funny thing to say when Trump is the president.
 
Hercules56 said:
Could you see a scenario where you do vote for her? And if so what would that scenario look like?
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Not at this point. But then, I couldn't see a scenario where I'd vote for Hillary Clinton, until it happened. Sadly, I also couldn't see a scenario where I'd change my mind and not vote for Hillary Clinton after all, until it happened.

I'd need to learn more about what kind of politician AOC is becoming, before I was prepared to speculate.
 
theprestige said:
Not at this point. But then, I couldn't see a scenario where I'd vote for Hillary Clinton, until it happened. Sadly, I also couldn't see a scenario where I'd change my mind and not vote for Hillary Clinton after all, until it happened.

I'd need to learn more about what kind of politician AOC is becoming, before I was prepared to speculate.
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If you had to choose today between AOC and Donald Trump who would you vote for?
 
Hercules56 said:
If you had to choose today between AOC and Donald Trump who would you vote for?
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Mu.

Your question makes no sense. There is no scenario, now or ever in the future, where AOC runs against Donald Trump. I will withhold my opinion unless and until there's a Republican front-runner and AOC is the Democrat front-runner. All I will say for now is that I would really like to see AOC become that Democrat front-runner.
 
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theprestige said:
Mu.

Your question makes no sense. There is no scenario, now or ever in the future, where AOC runs against Donald Trump. I will withhold my opinion unless and until there's a Republican front-runner and AOC is the Democrat front-runner. All I will say for now is that I would really like to see AOC become that Democrat front-runner.
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Interesting that you cannot say who you would choose between Trump and AOC. Tsk tsk.

AOC has many flaws and has a long way to go to mature into a truly seasoned political representative, but she is still light-years ahead of Trump with regards to respecting our Constitution, democracy, our international obligations and relationships, and simply personal demeanor and mental health.

The choice would be pretty easy. I would have NO choice but to vote for AOC, since I love my country.
 
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