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What more Microbes can effect?

Microbes influence our daily life in more ways than it is possible to list. But carrying information from one place to another? No.
 
arthwollipot said:
Microbes influence our daily life in more ways than it is possible to list. But carrying information from one place to another? No.
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These can move with air. We may also pass our thoughts, brainwaves, voice , emitted or reflected spectrums to them, probably which they grasp and carry such informations?
 
Kumar said:
These can move with air. We may also pass our thoughts, brainwaves, voice , emitted or reflected spectrums to them, probably which they grasp and carry such informations?
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Um, no. What microbes are you talking about? I'm talking about the bacteria which are everywhere on the earth. Perhaps there's some different microbes that science hasn't found yet that can do what you describe.
 
I read somewhere about a parasite that reproduces in the stomachs of cats, and is passed through the feces. Since cats don't eat their own feces very often, they rely on rats to re-ingest them, then get caught (and eaten) by cats!

If this doesn't sound wierd enough, the author also went on to explain that this parasite increases "fearlessness" in the rat (or decreases "fearfulness", whichever way it works) to make it more likely to be consumed by a cat.

Has anyone else heard about this particular organism? If so, can anyone remember the name? Is it just a myth?

-k.
 
Not sure about that one, but I do know of one which goes into snails and causes their eye stalks to puff up, and makes them go out onto a rock to get eaten by a bird. It's not a microbe, it's a flatworm.

And, did you mean:
"What more can microbes affect?"

Because they currently affect a great deal.
 
Mojo said:
Ever seen how a cat cleans itself?
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You make a jolly good point, my friend... the little fellows lucky enough to 'cling' will certainly make their journey back into the belly a lot quicker!
 
Giraffe107 said:
Not sure about that one, but I do know of one which goes into snails and causes their eye stalks to puff up, and makes them go out onto a rock to get eaten by a bird. It's not a microbe, it's a flatworm.

And, did you mean:
"What more can microbes affect?"

Because they currently affect a great deal.
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More than, what we already know about microbes. Somewhere it is mentioned, we could just know about 1% about these, as yet.
 
arthwollipot said:
Um, no. What microbes are you talking about? I'm talking about the bacteria which are everywhere on the earth. Perhaps there's some different microbes that science hasn't found yet that can do what you describe.
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I mean all types microsopic and even farther if possible.

I read, we can yet know about 1% about these. Btw, can they carry our intact DNA, from skin particles or on surviving on us or from our metobolic bi-products etc?
 
Kumar said:
I mean all types microsopic and even farther if possible.

I read, we can yet know about 1% about these. Btw, can they carry our intact DNA, from skin particles or on surviving on us or from our metobolic bi-products etc?
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I'd be interested to know how they know how many microbes they don't know about.
 
shep said:
Has anyone else heard about this particular organism? If so, can anyone remember the name?
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Ah, here it is: Toxoplasma gondii, a species of parasitic protozoa.

The sexual part of its life cycle occurs in cats, and the asexual in rats and mice.

There are a few articles around which suggest Toxoplasmosis could have a minor effect on human birth gender ratios, and libido.
 
Kumar said:
These can move with air.
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Yes.

We may also pass our thoughts, brainwaves, voice , emitted or reflected spectrums to them, probably which they grasp and carry such informations?
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No. This is physically, chemically, and biologically impossible, which you would already know if you had even the most basic grasp of physics, chemistry or biology.
 
A question for you, Kumar:

Do all people in India have green skin because they eat cheese from giant radioactive cows, or is it because of the psychic flying elephants?

Just curious.
 
Somewhere it is mentioned, we could just know about 1% about these, as yet.
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That's a reference to the number of microbial species we know about relative to the estimated possible number of all microbial species on the planet. (And it's one of those wild estimates that can be neither proved nor disproved.)
 
arthwollipot said:
I'd be interested to know how they know how many microbes they don't know about.
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Good question. They may be estimating alike people here estimate about other systems.:)

Anyway, it is mentioned like it;

Microbiology is a broad term which includes many branches like virology, mycology, parasitology and others..
Although much is now known in the field of microbiology, advances are being made regularly. The most common estimates suggest that humans have studied only about 1% of all of the microbes in any given environment. Thus, despite the fact that over three hundred years have passed since the discovery of microbes, the field of microbiology could be said to be in its infancy relative to other biological disciplines such as zoology, botany and entomology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microbiology
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I they know, what they account in bolded others in 2nd line.

Probably, at one time, we may get more microbes as "energy beings/microbes"; beings/microbes made from just from energy by spectrum, waves or others. :) We can then solve many paranormals. Do you feel any such possibilty?
 
Kumar,

Just so this is absolutely clear.

By suggesting that microbes are the possible "active ingredient" in homeopathic remedies, you are completely abandoning the principle of homeopathy.

You do realize this, don't you?
 
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Kumar said:
Probably, at one time, we may get more microbes as "energy beings/microbes"; beings/microbes made from just from energy by spectrum, waves or others. :) We can then solve many paranormals. Do you feel any such possibilty?
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For a living entity to be made out of just energy, there would need to be a mechanism for energy to grow, metabolise and reproduce. And energy just doesn't do that. Energy just propagates from one point to another, using well-defined and well-understood mechanisms.

Microbes are not energy. Microbes are matter. If you have some evidence of the existence of any kind of "energy being", microbial or not, then you're in line not only for Randi's million, but for Nobel's as well.

So no. I do not feel any such possibility. But I would be happy to be proved wrong.
 
PixyMisa said:
Yes.


No. This is physically, chemically, and biologically impossible, which you would already know if you had even the most basic grasp of physics, chemistry or biology.
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Yes it looks but new understandins can be possible in view estimated knowledge 1% as yes. Btw, whether they interact with these? This field has vast scope. So I am trying to read Microbiology topics as given on following link, one by one;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Microbiology

It looks great on reading about:

"Extremophile

An extremophile is an organism that thrives in and may even require physically or geochemically extreme conditions that are detrimental to the majority of life on Earth.

Most extremophiles are microbes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremophile "

Probably. sometimes we get any live being made only from energy(wave/spectrum/MF etc.)--"Energy being/microbe". Then this can clear many unclarities.

[In one religion, basic elements...fire, earth, air, water {& eather ?} aling with plants are considered as "one sensed" live entities.]
 
PixyMisa said:
A question for you, Kumar:

Do all people in India have green skin because they eat cheese from giant radioactive cows, or is it because of the psychic flying elephants?

Just curious.
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No. There eat lesser cheese and not from radioactive cows. There can be a difference between carrier and ingestion. Still we don't know, what can be the excreted undigested food. But I think, they have reach to the point, whether effective or not, is to be evalued. We can try searching in reputed older mythologies/indications.
 
Kumar said:
Probably. sometimes we get any live being made only from energy(wave/spectrum/MF etc.)--"Energy being/microbe". Then this can clear many unclarities.
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OK, well good luck looking for them. Scientists have been looking for new types of energy for decades, without much luck.
 
Kumar said:
No. There eat lesser cheese and not from radioactive cows. There can be a difference between carrier and ingestion. Still we don't know, what can be the excreted undigested food. But I think, they have reach to the point, whether effective or not, is to be evalued. We can try searching in reputed older mythologies/indications.
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So they have green skin because of the psychic flying elephants then?
 
arthwollipot said:
OK, well good luck looking for them. Scientists have been looking for new types of energy for decades, without much luck.
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Yes, it is just thought, though energetic entities are indicative but yet para-normal/ununerstood. Functional basis of activities can be energy. So "Energy beings" can't be thought.
 
CFLarsen said:
Kumar,

Just so this is absolutely clear.

By suggesting that microbes are the possible "active ingredient" in homeopathic remedies, you are completely abandoning the principle of homeopathy.

You do realize this, don't you?
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Just a thought becuse science couldn't yey find molecular or energetic presence directly of active substance, so I am trying to look other posibilties. I meant "if impacts due to specifically modified microbes or products thereof if modified due to initial physical presence of active substance".

Anyway, on looking, most people are allergic to homeopathy, may or may not to me or to my thoughts, I kept this issue for others, pending for future research.
 
Kumar said:
I feel, I am not clear on what you are saying. Pls make it simple for me.
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PixyMisa asked you
A question for you, Kumar:

Do all people in India have green skin because they eat cheese from giant radioactive cows, or is it because of the psychic flying elephants?

Just curious.
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In other words is the reason that all people in India have green skin because
a) they eat cheese from giant radioactive cows or
b) because of the psychic flying elephants.

You responded (as best as I can tell), that people did not eat much cheese and you don’t know if the radiation has an effect or not.

The logical conclusion is therefore that you discount the “cheese from giant radioactive cows” hypothesis, and therefore accept the “psychic flying elephants” hypothesis.

If it were me I would have challenged the whole basis of the question, by first asking if all people in India have green skin, and if they do- is there any evidence for the existence of either “cheese from giant radioactive cows” or “psychic flying elephants” and if so, is there any relationship between these things and green skin.

That, however, is not how you tend to argue, perhaps it is because life is so much simpler- and possibly more fun- if you just make up phenomena, invent mystical, magical or otherwise impossible agents, and then invoke these agents as an explanation for your made up phenomena.
It is not, howeaver, a good way to understand the real world.
 
Kumar said:
Just a thought because science couldn't yey find molecular or energetic presence directly of active substance, so I am trying to look other posibilties. I meant "if impacts due to specifically modified microbes or products thereof if modified due to initial physical presence of active substance".
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People don’t dismiss homeopathy just because it is chemically, physically and biologically impossible, they dismiss it because it has repeatedly been shown to have no effect. If it could be shown to have an effect then we would have to alter our theories of chemistry, physics and biology to incorporate this data. As it is you are determined to prove that green skin is caused by psychic flying elephants, because science has shown that giant radioactive cows produce no milk for cheese. You haven’t bothered to check if anyone ash green skin or not first. To use an analogy.


Anyway, on looking, most people are allergic to homeopathy, may or may not to me or to my thoughts, I kept this issue for others, pending for future research.
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I don’t understand what you are saying here, can you make it more simple? Are you claiming that homeopathy produces an allergic reaction in people and is therefore dangerous? Do you have evidence for this claim?
 
arthwollipot said:
For a living entity to be made out of just energy, there would need to be a mechanism for energy to grow, metabolise and reproduce. And energy just doesn't do that. Energy just propagates from one point to another, using well-defined and well-understood mechanisms.

Microbes are not energy. Microbes are matter. If you have some evidence of the existence of any kind of "energy being", microbial or not, then you're in line not only for Randi's million, but for Nobel's as well.

So no. I do not feel any such possibility. But I would be happy to be proved wrong.
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Whether energy concentration, propagation or existance in any micro entity and expresing therefrom is not possible? What is a spectrum? Some say; "Colour isthe sprit of a substance". Probably, sunstance/body is a thing and its energy is a being.

However "being is also defined as;

"Being means existence or presence, belonging to the material or immaterial universe, substance, constitution or nature.

"One's basic or essential nature."

"A being, in the most general sense, is anything that is alive. Being with a capital 'B', on the other hand, is often used in philosophy to refer to divine Being, God, or ultimate reality.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Being"
 
Kumar said:
Just a thought becuse science couldn't yey find molecular or energetic presence directly of active substance, so I am trying to look other posibilties. I meant "if impacts due to specifically modified microbes or products thereof if modified due to initial physical presence of active substance".

Anyway, on looking, most people are allergic to homeopathy, may or may not to me or to my thoughts, I kept this issue for others, pending for future research.
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You are trying to look at other possibility. We already know that.

However:

Do you realize that the microbe possibility means that it is not homeopathy that "cures" people?

That it is not the dilution-beyond-Avogadro's-number that "cures" people, but microbes?

Do you understand this, yes or no?
 
brodski said:
PixyMisa asked you


In other words is the reason that all people in India have green skin because
a) they eat cheese from giant radioactive cows or
b) because of the psychic flying elephants...
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Better PixyMisa to respond. There can be some indirect relevances to it.
 
Rolfe said:
I think I've had enough of discussing the toxoplasmosis stuff here. Pretty questionable, to put in mildly. Get Kumar on that, and we'll be here all year.

Kumar, I thought you'd understood the difference between "affect" and "effect", but you're still getting it wrong.

Rolfe.
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I shall read, try to understand and relate with this topic.

Thanks for improving my grammer(I always respected).

I got following definitions;
Affect" is a verb that means "to influence." "Effect" is usually a noun that means "a result" or "influence." As a verb, "effect" means "to accomplish" or "to produce." (Examples: The devastating effects of the hurricane affected the lives of everyone in the small coastal town. The new taxes effected a change in the school budget.)
www.lausd.k12.ca.us/Van_Nuys_MS/glossary index.html "

English is typical for me. Some one pointed out that trees do not suggest. Ok, but still, I could get few justified definitions (Look Cut-flower...topic). :)
 
Kumar said:
Better PixyMisa to respond. There can be some indirect relevances to it.
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It is exactly relevant to your posts, you are looking for an impossible cause for an imaginary effect.
Do you understand the point we are making?
 
CFLarsen said:
You are trying to look at other possibility. We already know that.

However:

Do you realize that the microbe possibility means that it is not homeopathy that "cures" people?

That it is not the dilution-beyond-Avogadro's-number that "cures" people, but microbes?

Do you understand this, yes or no?
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No. Yet pending for furthur reseach. Like cure like means "similar cure similar" not "same cure same". All these will be "like cure like"-- Any symptom by higher concentration, if cured by its lower concentration. Any symptom by lower dilution if cured by its higher dilution(?). Any symptom by materialistic substance if cured by its energetic substance. Any symptom if by more energy is cured by its lesser energy. Any symptom by any substance if cured by its relevant/related substance(materiastic and energetic). Now you can count.:)
 
brodski said:
It is exactly relevant to your posts, you are looking for an impossible cause for an imaginary effect.
Do you understand the point we are making?
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I somewhere had mentioned that "Dr Hahn. & Dr.Sch.(you can take other reputed scientists also Newtons etc.) thought differently and dynamically so got differently and dynamically". Look at my Sign. This can be the basis of new understandings. I know, I am wondering in jungles, but cities are already serched to maximum. We can't/may not get new knowledges/understandings in cities.
 
Kumar said:
Hello,

In view of smaller size, wide presence and other chracteristics, how much microbes can influence our daily life?

Can these be the reciever, carrier, preserver, interpreter and passer of our small small informations?
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Oh, what the hell......
(If Kumar takes the bait, you guys will probably kill me for it and I'll no doubt regret it, but I'm in a mischievous mood.)

Kumar, have you considered the role of Nanoparticles?

PS: Also, try reading this book. It's not fiction but prediction ;)
 
Kumar said:
No. Yet pending for furthur reseach. Like cure like means "similar cure similar" not "same cure same". All these will be "like cure like"-- Any symptom by higher concentration, if cured by its lower concentration. Any symptom by lower dilution if cured by its higher dilution(?). Any symptom by materialistic substance if cured by its energetic substance. Any symptom if by more energy is cured by its lesser energy. Any symptom by any substance if cured by its relevant/related substance(materiastic and energetic). Now you can count.:)
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.....what???

Are you saying that it isn't the microbes themselves that cure, but a dilution of microbes?
 
Deetee said:
Oh, what the hell......
(If Kumar takes the bait, you guys will probably kill me for it and I'll no doubt regret it, but I'm in a mischievous mood.)

Kumar, have you considered the role of Nanoparticles?

PS: Also, try reading this book. It's not fiction but prediction ;)
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Ok thanks. First you should accept presence of relevant particles.
 
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