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What is wrong with what Steorn is doing?

Well, the article you were pointing at by Rupert Goodwins has a contradiction in it (imho). Goodwins makes a good laugh out of Steorn because he (we) all know that free energy simply does not exist. But his tone of voice in the line

['these people will be allowed to develop Orbo-based devices, providing they don't infringe on the areas Steon wants for itself (transportation, consumer electronics, the Credulity Field Generator -- actually, I made that last one up)']

shows some concern about what areas are for free (the 300 engineers) and what areas are for serious business. But no need for concern here because free energy does not exist. Maybe Rupert has some doubts here?

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(I admit I lack some deeper understanding of the English tongue)
 
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Snadert said:
Well, the article you were pointing at by Rupert Goodwins has a contradiction in it (imho). Goodwins makes a good laugh out of Steorn because he (we) all know that free energy simply does not exist. But his tone of voice in the line ['these people will be allowed to develop Orbo-based devices, providing they don't infringe on the areas Steon wants for itself (transportation, consumer electronics, the Credulity Field Generator -- actually, I made that last one up)'] shows some concern about what areas are for free (the 300 engineers) and what areas are for serious business. But we do not have to be concerned as Orbo is not gonna work. Or do we?
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I see. I don't think he's taking any of it seriously, frankly. I think he's pointing out the ludicrous irony of them still draping the story with the silly notion that there are some super lucrative areas that they're keeping for themselves.

Sean's just peddling his snake oil. The "we'll keep certain portions for ourself" is just more of his Real Live Seriousness embroidery, like the original scientific jury that didn't exist and now the 300 engineers. He didn't hire the first dozen as he claimed, NDA or not, so where's he going to get 300 of 'em?
 
Another possibility is that they want to avoid "public" power generation/transportation or stuff for public purpose, because that would force them into opening themselves to the local authority or other legal repercussion, which they might not want.
 
zooterkin said:
Hmm, the announcement says, "Jury Announcement

* Posted by Ian MacDonald on January 20, 2009 at 7:47pm"
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That's when the announcement was scheduled, but it wasn't released until today. Not sure why there is a discrepancy in the dates.
 
Fair enough; it looks as though some announcement may have been made on January 20th, and then edited today. Bad software that didn't update the timestamp.
 
That jury posting is blocked from my work, dammit!!!! Can someone post some excerpts? (Don't go messin' with no mods, now fellows!)

Sounds from Steorn's little announcement that they never gave the jury a working Orbo, but just more of their dumb data? Is that right? Gah, Sean's channeling (rather unsuccessfully) the spirit of PT Barnum.
 
Foolmewunz said:
That jury posting is blocked from my work, dammit!!!! Can someone post some excerpts? (Don't go messin' with no mods, now fellows!)

Sounds from Steorn's little announcement that they never gave the jury a working Orbo, but just more of their dumb data? Is that right? Gah, Sean's channeling (rather unsuccessfully) the spirit of PT Barnum.
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Here goes:

In August 2006 the Irish company Steorn published an advertisement in the Economist announcing the development of “a technology that produces free, clean and constant energy”. Qualified experts were sought to form a “jury” to validate these claims.

Twenty-two independent scientists and engineers were selected by Steorn to form this jury. It has for the past two years examined evidence presented by the company. The unanimous verdict of the Jury is that Steorn's attempts to demonstrate the claim have not shown the production of energy. The jury is therefore ceasing work.

The jury consists of scientists and engineers in relevant fields from Europe and North America, from industry, universities and government laboratories. Information about individual members can be found at http://stjury.ning.com/
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Thanks.


Ugh! That's pretty ugly for Sean. They didn't leave much room for doubt.

Apparently, though, this is the original "jury" - what about the supposed team of 300 independent testers he said he was putting together? Is that all another mirage? Or is this his version of perpetual motion - having one committee of dupes already working because the first one was bound to notice eventually that the emperor not only had no clothes but was dancing buck naked in the sprinklers on the front lawn?

With the recent debacle in Dubai - where he once again failed to produce a working Orbo in spite of intimations that he'd do so, surely this clown is running out of suckers?
 
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Seren_ said:
Read the reaction of a True Believer (tm) to the jury announcement.

http://freeenergytruth.blogspot.com/2009/06/steorn-jury-anomalies-unanswered.html

That guy is posting on the Steorn forum under the alias '007'.
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I think I remember 007 from when I used to hang out over there in the very beginning of this charade. Lots of the true believers are dedicated Pollyannas who just want desperately to believe in Free Energy, without understanding as someone pointed out here in a recent thread that "free" does not mean "free of charge" but free of the laws of physics as we currently know them.

I asked this in that other thread.... Does anyone know if FreeEnergyTruth blog is affiliated with Steorn. They're total cheerleaders.
 
Foolmewunz said:
I asked this in that other thread.... Does anyone know if FreeEnergyTruth blog is affiliated with Steorn. They're total cheerleaders.
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As far as I understand, 007 is/was a member of SPDC, Steorn Private Developpers Club, which was a group of people getting special information from Steorn on how to reproduce the Orbo Effect.

That was in 2007.

I don't see the difference between the "SPDC" 2 years ago and the "Steorn 300" this year.

The Orbo validation process includes :
- the Jury, group of 22 experts. (2007 - June 2009)
- SPDC, private forum members interested in Orbo (2007 - ??)
- Steorn 300 (June 2009 - ???)

So far, I am not aware that any member of the Jury or SPDC has seen a working Orbo or reproduced anything. (Both groups had to sign NDAs.)
 
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With the recent debacle in Dubai - where he once again failed to produce a working Orbo in spite of intimations that he'd do so, surely this clown is running out of suckers?
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I never heard about the Debacle in Dubai. Do you have any links for me to enjoy?
 
Grimoire said:
I never heard about the Debacle in Dubai. Do you have any links for me to enjoy?
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Most of the stuff is buried on forums - it didn't really make the news, but someone posted one link last week.

http://dispatchesfromthefuture.com/

This is pretty indicative. Seems that Sean went over looking for new sheep to fleece and had indicated he'd bring them an Orbo, but for whatever cop-out reason, it once again didn't work. (Sean... big hint.... it gets real hot in Dubai and you blamed heat for the gallery fiasco.)
 
Article in the Irish Times :here.

Summary:
"It doesn't work but we will start licensing Orbo this year anyway".
 
Seren_ said:
Article in the Irish Times :here.

Summary:
"It doesn't work but we will start licensing Orbo this year anyway".
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I think this quote sums them up best:

“The jury hasn’t found they support the claims. We would dispute that.”
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So, then, what was the point of the jury? "We'll accept their judgement....so long as it confirms our claims!"
 
Aha!

They finally came out with a product!

A USB-powered divining rod! (more or less)
 
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Blight said:
Aha!

They finally came out with a product!

A USB-powered divining rod! (more or less)
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Well, a Hall probe is an actual instrument. I've used them (way in the past!).


But sticking a USB connector on one, while novel, is just a touch less revolutionary than perpetual motion.
 
Horatius said:
But sticking a USB connector on one, while novel, is just a touch less revolutionary than perpetual motion.
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And if that is one of the instruments they used to "prove" that Orbo is >100% efficient, perhaps I will look for a different manufacturer...
 
Grimoire said:
And if that is one of the instruments they used to "prove" that Orbo is >100% efficient, perhaps I will look for a different manufacturer...
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I think the back story to the Orbo is that they were already doing stuff with magnets and had actually sold some devices for card scanning or something similar. Maybe they're going to slip back into the commecial realm, now that they've pretty much shot their wad with the Orbo fiasco.
 
Michael C said:
Wired is not impressed by the Hall probe.
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Unfortunately, the write up does not do justice to the headline "Steorn Snakeoil Salesmen Hawk $400 Magic Wand" and finishes with a fairly unconvincing line: "Or maybe we’re just cynical based on past events. I’m certainly no Hall Meter expert, but I do come equipped with a pretty good BS detector."

BJ
 
Steorn's products are not designed for the common people. Sales will be limited to a certain class of consumer, only one of whom is born in any given minute.
 
Michael C said:
Wired is not impressed by the Hall probe.
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Sounds to me like the "Try to sell fake stuff" scam is winding down, so they've fallen back on the more traditional "Sell something real for an inflated price" scam. Hey, it works for the A/V cable guys!
 
Well, they also sell a magnetic torque measurement system.

So, they build own equipment to measure their over-unity crap. Since their "Orbo" stuff doesn't work, while they claim they have measured the effect, what does that tell us about their equipment....

Sounds like "Hey, look, i can vary my weight at will, down to 1 pound!" while fiddling with the self-made scale to prove so.

Greetings,

Chris
 
It is a one or two weeks old news but Steorn has announced that they will do a new Orbo demonstration before the end of 2009.

I haven't found the primary source (Twitter ?!?) but you'll find multiple references if you search Steorn in Google News or Blog search.


I don't believe it will work better than in July 2007 at the Kinetica demo but I wonder what the excuse will be this time.
 
Maybe it's all one huge practical joke like a strange form of conceptual art or something.
 
At last, something is happening :


Sean McCarthy, Steorn CEO, has posted the following message today, about one hour ago, on the Steorn forums.

http://www.steorn.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=62194&page=1#Item_1

Folks,

After three years of operation, we have made a decision to shut down this forum until further notice. The forum will cease to exist later today.

Many thanks for all your time and contributions, I look forward to seeing you all again when we decide to reopen.

Regards,

Sean
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Totally unexpectedly, they are closing Steorn forums with a few hours notice !

Might they want to delete annoying questions without answer before the release ?

(The release of "what" and "when" remains the big question :) )

Edit : Someone seems to be closing threads manually on the Steorn forums at this very moment, so it is not a few hours notice, but a few minutes notice. They are getting more and more reckless...
 
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