What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 16.9%

  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 21 29.6%

  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 27 38.0%

  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 24 33.8%

  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 1 1.4%

  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 2.8%

  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 12 16.9%

  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 6 8.5%

  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 5 7.0%
  • Total voters
    71
Donal said:
That was me. You keep talking like only Jewish students were dealing with the protests at Columbia. All students were. The protests were not about targeting Jewish students.
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Chants like "Zionists out of CUNY!!!", "Hillel out of Baruch!!!" and "Globalize the Intifada!!" sure doesn't target Chinese people, now does it?
 
Hercules56 said:
Chants like "Zionists out of CUNY!!!", "Hillel out of Baruch!!!" and "Globalize the Intifada!!" sure doesn't target Chinese people, now does it?
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those are chants. And as distasteful as those chants might be, they don't all target all Jews. I don't know about the current status of Hillel in CUNY, but Hillel International is pretty openly Zionist. And last I checked, not all Jews are Zionists. Even among Zionists, there are degrees. And again, they are chants. Not physical attacks.
 
Emily's Cat said:
The best you can come up with is over a century ago?
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The most egregious, media friendly examples. And keep in mind, your president professes love for Gone With the Wind and Birth of a Nation. Let's not pretend he wouldn't love to kick off another Red Summer. Go back into hiding.
 
So, ya, the Democrats were wrong for not curb stomping this garbage from the get go and trying to engage with Republicans like it was a good faith discussion.
 
Donal said:
those are chants. And as distasteful as those chants might be, they don't all target all Jews. I don't know about the current status of Hillel in CUNY, but Hillel International is pretty openly Zionist. And last I checked, not all Jews are Zionists. Even among Zionists, there are degrees. And again, they are chants. Not physical attacks.
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I'm very sorry, but yelling and screaming for "Zionists out of CUNY!!!" or "Hillel out of CUNY", its targeting all Jews. Most Jews as a bear minimum respect the right of Israel to exist as a jewish and democratic state within the borders approved when it was founded and accepted by the United Nations. Such people, are Zionists. Whether you want to admit it or not. These ass holes are not yelling "extremist zionists out of cuny!!!" or "right-wing zionists out of cuny!!" or even "likud zionists out of cuny!!". Its simply "zionists out of cuny". Which is basically a not so clever way of attacking Jews.

As for "Hillel out of CUNY!!", that is the main jewish organization in all US and canadian colleges. Their main focus is NOT zionism, but jewish life, jewish customs, jewish holidays, jewish community. But they ARE also zionist.

Basically these protestors are calling for anyone who respects israel's right to exist in ANY form, to leave the college. And the main jewish cultural organization to leave college.

Looks like an attack on pretty much all Jewry.
 
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Donal said:
You didn't need to go down a rabbit hole of using Jewish people as a shield against your hatred of "others".
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I dont hate anyone, especially not Palestinians.

Lay off your pathetic, deceitful and ignorant strawman arguments. Its a bad look.
 
Donal said:
So, ya, the Democrats were wrong for not curb stomping this garbage from the get go and trying to engage with Republicans like it was a good faith discussion.
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Democrats should have gotten control of this situation and not tolerated it for soo long, allowing it to grow and fester like a melanoma. By the time it was finally dealt with, the damage was done.
 
Donal said:
The most egregious, media friendly examples. And keep in mind, your president professes love for Gone With the Wind and Birth of a Nation. Let's not pretend he wouldn't love to kick off another Red Summer. Go back into hiding.
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Trump loves Birth of a Nation? Got any evidence?

Is EVERYTHING you say ridiculous, hysterical hyperbole and useless exaggeration?
 
Hercules56 said:
Democrats should have gotten control of this situation and not tolerated it for soo long, allowing it to grow and fester like a melanoma. By the time it was finally dealt with, the damage was done.
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Exactly. Tell the folks tone policing the protestors to pipe down and maybe raise some of the voices criticizing Netanyahu's attacks. Don't run around with an Israeli flag like a cape or wear a suit for the first time in your life to kiss Netanyahu's ass.
 
Donal said:
Exactly. Tell the folks tone policing the protestors to pipe down and maybe raise some of the voices criticizing Netanyahu's attacks. Don't run around with an Israeli flag like a cape or wear a suit for the first time in your life to kiss Netanyahu's ass.
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I am one of Israel's biggest critics in this forum.

Your posts are becoming more and more unhinged, and disconnected from reality.
 
Hercules56 said:
Trump loves Birth of a Nation? Got any evidence?

Is EVERYTHING you say ridiculous, hysterical hyperbole and useless exaggeration?
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only when I'm quoting you.

But I see this discussion of actually respecting everyone's rights has you very upset.

Like I said, the Democrats did the same thing wrong they always do. Engage Republicans' talking points like they are honest.
 
Donal said:
only when I'm quoting you.

But I see this discussion of actually respecting everyone's rights has you very upset...
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Except you only care about the right of Jew-haters who dont think Jews are entitled to an education free of harrassment and insults.

Only Hamas-lovers have rights on college campuses, says you. Their victims simply have to lower their heads and take it.
 
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Hercules56 said:
Trump loves Birth of a Nation? Got any evidence?
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Trump very well could. Even though its content is quite controversial, it is still considered a pivotal piece of cinema, and changed the way we think about movies entirely. For people who are serious film buffs, it's a major step in cinema.

And Gone with the Wind was a fantastic movie in its own right. It's outdated absolutely, and the thematic content is definitely uncomfortable... but that doesn't make it a bad movie. There are TONS of movies that are unacceptably racist or sexist nowadays, but are still amazingly good movies for their time. Seriously - Blade Runner is an absolute masterpiece... despite the outright rape involved.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Trump very well could. Even though its content is quite controversial, it is still considered a pivotal piece of cinema, and changed the way we think about movies entirely. For people who are serious film buffs, it's a major step in cinema.
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Trump has movies edited down to just "the good scenes." I'm going to call bull ◊◊◊◊ on his being a film buff
 
thaiboxerken said:
I suppose you have evidence to support your claim that more than 50% of them support violence against Israeli civilians. Can you share that evidence with us?
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They make it very clear that they support All Acts of "resistance". Thousands of them marched in times square the day after October 7th, to show their support for the acts of "resistance".
 
Resume said:
Trump has movies edited down to just "the good scenes." I'm going to call bull ◊◊◊◊ on his being a film buff
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Entirely possible. I didn't assert that Trump was a film buff, only that Birth of a Nation is considered to be a pretty fundamentally pivotal film, and that in and of itself, it could be a good movie. I've never actually seen it.
 
Emily's Cat said:
Entirely possible. I didn't assert that Trump was a film buff, only that Birth of a Nation is considered to be a pretty fundamentally pivotal film, and that in and of itself, it could be a good movie. I've never actually seen it.
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It is an apologia for the rise of the Ku Klux Klan and the necessity of curbing the rise of "uppity negroes".
 
Emily's Cat said:
Trump very well could. Even though its content is quite controversial, it is still considered a pivotal piece of cinema, and changed the way we think about movies entirely. For people who are serious film buffs, it's a major step in cinema.
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It is more than "quite controversial". It may be considered to be an aesthetic masterpiece by some people, but it is no coincidence that Roger Ebert compared it to the Nazi film Triumph of the Will.
Emily's Cat said:
And Gone with the Wind was a fantastic movie in its own right. It's outdated absolutely, and the thematic content is definitely uncomfortable... but that doesn't make it a bad movie. There are TONS of movies that are unacceptably racist or sexist nowadays, but are still amazingly good movies for their time. Seriously - Blade Runner is an absolute masterpiece... despite the outright rape involved.
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Yes, if you're a racist, Gone with the Wind is fantastic.

As for Blade Runner, you appear to have misunderstood the rape scene. Listen to Sean Young explain it:

There is nothing wrong with a rape scene in a movie. There is one (well, there are actually two, but ...) in Sergio Leone's Once Upon a Time in America, my favorite rape scene, because it shows the rapist as a rapist and the victim as a victim and does so for what feels like much too toe-curlingly long (and without being too graphic). Any somewhat normal person watching that scene will feel as disgusted with Noodles as his driver obviously is.
It's one of the greatest movies of all times, and one of the things that makes it great is that there is no reason to come up with excuses for it being a good movie by claiming that it was good for its time.

In Blade Runner, Deckard rapes, yes, but Deckard is not supposed to be a good guy. He is an ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊. He is a killer of replicants - replicants like Rachel ... and himself.
 
Donal said:
And as distasteful as those chants might be, they don't all target all Jews.
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To be clear, you seem to be saying that when someone chants "Globalize the Intifada" they actually don't mean to encourage terror attacks on synagogues in Europe and the Americas? If so, I'm very skeptical whether the attackers themselves take the same view on the question of whether they are acting in support of the Palestinian cause.

ETA: ◊◊◊◊ I just realized this isn't that thread.
 
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