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What did Democrats do wrong?

What did Democrats do wrong?

  • Didn't fight inflation enough.

    Votes: 12 20.7%
  • Didn't fight illegal immigration enough.

    Votes: 17 29.3%
  • Too much focus on abortion.

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Too much transgender stuff.

    Votes: 24 41.4%
  • America not ready for Progressive women leader.

    Votes: 21 36.2%
  • Should have kept Joe.

    Votes: 1 1.7%
  • Not enough focus on new jobs.

    Votes: 2 3.4%
  • Nothing, Trump cheated & played dirty!

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • Didn't stop Gaza War.

    Votes: 5 8.6%
  • I can be Agent M.

    Votes: 4 6.9%

  • Total voters
    58
If voters did not actually expect Trump to keep his campaign promises, nor show any evidence of being upset upon learning that he won't, then it is reasonable to conclude that the content of those promises had little or nothing to do with why they voted for Trump.

On the other hand, such behavior remains consistent with the notion that they voted for him because they liked his "racist transphobic evil poopyhead" talking points, and/or his overall RTEP vibe.

plus, it’s not as if he’s suddenly saying how difficult it is going to be to get rid of the mexicans. that they’re still planning on day one. and look how mad the right got about the h1b situation. but the price of eggs, too complicated and no one cares anyway.
 
The 19% of voters that approve of specific things/candidates are sticking to Trump. The prices of consumer goods will go up, but these are largely people 20-60 in age, so nothing much else changes. I don't think MAGA folks live much past that. They are afraid to get vaccinations and go to doctors for anything other than a broken thing. A leg or arm. So they are largely in the same world they were in before the pandemic. With employers providing insurance, very few will lose what little healthcare they need. So they will back Trump some two years. The MAGA crowd will not bother to vore in 2026. They have no real relationship with politics past Trump. By the time the 2028 election comes around and things are much worse they won't know what to do. No rallies, no charismatic a-hole with jokes to listen to. No confusing Hannibal Lecter. They stay home.
It was just a joke anyway. About having friends for dinner.
 
plus, it’s not as if he’s suddenly saying how difficult it is going to be to get rid of the mexicans. that they’re still planning on day one. and look how mad the right got about the h1b situation. but the price of eggs, too complicated and no one cares anyway.
Also, he's apparently still banging on about M&A deals for Greenland, Panama Canal, Canada. Because presumably those will still be easy peezy. But doing something about the economy to help poorer Americans? That's just too hard.
 
Not sure if it’s too late to add anything to the poll, but I think the following would be good additions:

Not cozying up to tech oligarchs who will perform a Nazi salute at the inauguration.

Not committing to defy the Constitution with illegal executive orders.

Not planning to set free hundreds of violent convicted criminals.

These were clearly issues the American people cared about deeply and Democrats failed to acknowledge their importance.
 
We lost the election. Big time.

What did we do wrong?

Too much transgender stuff?

Not fight inflation enough?

Not work stop illegal immigration enough?

Should have kept Joe?

What say you?
2008, covid + inflation, all of the other stuff is marginal.
 
Not sure if it’s too late to add anything to the poll, but I think the following would be good additions:

Not cozying up to tech oligarchs who will perform a Nazi salute at the inauguration.

Not committing to defy the Constitution with illegal executive orders.

Not planning to set free hundreds of violent convicted criminals.

These were clearly issues the American people cared about deeply and Democrats failed to acknowledge their importance.
Once again (again, again, again) you have failed to meet the OP in good faith, providing Democrats with zero ideas for actual improvement.

1,250 posts and not a single one in which you suggest something you'd actually have them do better.
 
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Once again (again, again, again) you have failed to meet the OP in good faith, providing Democrats with zero ideas for actual improvement.

1,250 posts and not a single one in which you suggest something you'd actually have them do better.

What are you even talking about? "Providing Democrats with zero ideas for actual improvement". Do you think the DNC is reading this?

This thread is overflowing with so many bad faith premises. They're getting exactly the responses they deserve.

Tell me more about "too much transgender stuff".
 
What are you even talking about? "Providing Democrats with zero ideas for actual improvement". Do you think the DNC is reading this?

This thread is overflowing with so many bad faith premises. They're getting exactly the responses they deserve.

Tell me more about "too much transgender stuff".
I think Lia Thomas on the winner's podium probably cost the Democrats a lot more votes than they realize. Pushing a male entitlement to cross sex segregation boundaries in sports was a mistake. The Democrats identifying as the party supporting such things is very likely one of the biggest things Democrats did wrong.
 
In fact, it was more anti-Biden than anti-Democrat. They often continued to vote for other Democrats in down-ballots but wanted to punish Biden for not restraining Israel in Gaza and Lebanon.
Ironically, Biden got punished for doing the right thing.

I have wonder how many of those votes he could have clawed back, if he'd done more for Ukraine.
 
Them being the magats, I presume. But there's gotta be plenty of progressives who would be willing to forgive a weak pro-Israel stance for a more substantive pro Ukraine position.
No, "them" being the people who voted straight Democrat except for the presidency (as I said "They often continued to vote for other Democrats in down-ballots but wanted to punish Biden for not restraining Israel in Gaza and Lebanon."), where they chose Trump or Stein instead of Biden. They are hardly likely to be Magats.
And "them" are most likely also to have friends or family in Lebanon or Gaza making it a priority for them rather than Ukraine.
 
Well, for starters, they always talk about Democracy, but they really have no interest in democracy, LOL. They're really only interested in power.

But as for what they did wrong during the election, that's pretty easy. They should have at least pretended to care about the issues that all the normal people care about. Democracy, remember? Boring things like the economy, having a border (like every other country throughout history), and so on. Instead, the Democrats focussed on out-of-touch pie in the sky globalist ideals, like saying that men can get pregnant and we're really all the same and everything's a social construct, and going on about birthing people, and people with penises, LOL, and cracking down on any speech that disagreed.
 
I think Lia Thomas on the winner's podium probably cost the Democrats a lot more votes than they realize. Pushing a male entitlement to cross sex segregation boundaries in sports was a mistake. The Democrats identifying as the party supporting such things is very likely one of the biggest things Democrats did wrong.

Who are the "Democrats" you're referring to? And what offices were they running for? Because you seem to be using "Democrats" as a general catch-all for anyone who places themselves on the left side of the political spectrum and then applying their opinions and actions to all Democrats everywhere.

This is exactly what I'm talking about when I talk about the bad faith premises in this thread. Thank you for providing a perfect example.
 
Well, for starters, they always talk about Democracy, but they really have no interest in democracy, LOL. They're really only interested in power.

But as for what they did wrong during the election, that's pretty easy. They should have at least pretended to care about the issues that all the normal people care about. Democracy, remember? Boring things like the economy, having a border (like every other country throughout history), and so on. Instead, the Democrats focussed on out-of-touch pie in the sky globalist ideals, like saying that men can get pregnant and we're really all the same and everything's a social construct, and going on about birthing people, and people with penises, LOL, and cracking down on any speech that disagreed.

Your unhinged rant just listed a bunch things that no Democrat involved in an election said or did. This is what happens when right wing propaganda completely cooks your brain.
 
Well, for starters, they always talk about Democracy, but they really have no interest in democracy, LOL. They're really only interested in power.

But as for what they did wrong during the election, that's pretty easy. They should have at least pretended to care about the issues that all the normal people care about. Democracy, remember? Boring things like the economy, having a border (like every other country throughout history), and so on. Instead, the Democrats focussed on out-of-touch pie in the sky globalist ideals, like saying that men can get pregnant and we're really all the same and everything's a social construct, and going on about birthing people, and people with penises, LOL, and cracking down on any speech that disagreed.
I guess this is the "too much transgender stuff" from the poll, huh?
 
What are you even talking about?
I'm talking about interacting with the OP in good faith.

Once again, as ever, you have failed to suggest any improvements whatsoever which you'd actually want to see implemented.

Putting you on ignore now; you have nothing to contribute here.
 
I guess this is the "too much transgender stuff" from the poll, huh?

The number one reason that Democrats lost the election, according to the brain trust here at ISF. “Democrats” of course meaning “anyone, anywhere who does something I don’t like”.
 
I'm talking about interacting with the OP in good faith.

Once again, as ever, you have failed to suggest any improvements whatsoever which you'd actually want to see implemented.

Putting you on ignore now; you have nothing to contribute here.

Great, best news I’ve heard in a while. I’m really tickled by someone who constantly responds to posts I didn’t address to them by complaining that I’m doing the thread wrong now telling me that they’re putting me on ignore. Good luck with your life mission to solve problems by ignoring the actual reasons for them. I’ll miss you.
 
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I guess this is the "too much transgender stuff" from the poll, huh?
It's the "too much transgender stuff" and the "didn't fight illegal immigration enough" from the poll.

If you push so aggressively on those two issues (which the vast majority of voters are opposed to), you might not win an election - even if your opponent is Donal Trump.
 
It's the "too much transgender stuff" and the "didn't fight illegal immigration enough" from the poll.

If you push so aggressively on those two issues (which the vast majority of voters are opposed to), you might not win an election - even if your opponent is Donal Trump.
Fighting illegal immigration "enough" will be an expensive madness that will do more harm than good, but you prefer the lie that it is both feasible and will fix whatever you think it will fix.

I'd say it will be fun to see the wheels come off, but I know the brunt of the adverse effects will hit some of the most vulnerable.
 
It's the "too much transgender stuff" and the "didn't fight illegal immigration enough" from the poll.

If you push so aggressively on those two issues (which the vast majority of voters are opposed to), you might not win an election - even if your opponent is Donal Trump.

Democrats didn't run on any "transgender stuff" and the "border crisis" is and always was a PR stunt. The through line with both issues is about nothing more than demonizing marginalized groups.
 
Fighting illegal immigration "enough" will be an expensive madness that will do more harm than good, but you prefer the lie that it is both feasible and will fix whatever you think it will fix.

I'd say it will be fun to see the wheels come off, but I know the brunt of the adverse effects will hit some of the most vulnerable.

And the idea that it's only about illegal immigrantion is laughable on its face. Trump repeatedly made threats about deporting people here legally and of course is now openly defying the Constitution in his effort to strip American citizens of their citizenship. They just want less brown people here, legal status is irrelevant.
 
And the idea that it's only about illegal immigrantion is laughable on its face. Trump repeatedly made threats about deporting people here legally and of course is now openly defying the Constitution in his effort to strip American citizens of their citizenship. They just want less brown people here, legal status is irrelevant.
I'd argue they don't even want it sorted out. If immigration is fixed, how will they generate fear and anger ?
 
Fighting illegal immigration "enough" will be an expensive madness that will do more harm than good, but you prefer the lie that it is both feasible and will fix whatever you think it will fix.
It's not about what I prefer, it's about what the vast majority of US citizens prefer.

Remember, we want to "save Democracy".
 
It's not about what I prefer, it's about what the vast majority of US citizens prefer.

Remember, we want to "save Democracy".

Yes, it's about illegal immigration and only about illegal immigration. That's why Trump is currently wiping his ass with the Constitution so he can take citizenship away from Americans, because of how much it's only about illegal immigration.
 
Yes, it's about illegal immigration and only about illegal immigration. That's why Trump is currently wiping his ass with the Constitution so he can take citizenship away from Americans, because of how much it's only about illegal immigration.
It looks like the two of us agree for once, since neither one of us have any idea what you're talking about.
 
It looks like the two of us agree for once, since neither one of us have any idea what you're talking about.

Trump issued an illegal executive order that defies the 14th amendment. Your feigned ignorance of this is almost as compelling as your insistence that any of this is about illegal immigration.
 
The base claim is that, globally, right-wing populist movements are in ascendance.

But maybe it's just populist movements? Maybe a left-wing movement, centered on reduce wealth inequality, strengthening workers rights and establishing universal healthcare would be just as capable of gaining widespread support. But unlike the right-wingers, centrists are not willing to dramatically change the system they are currently comfortable with.
 
The base claim is that, globally, right-wing populist movements are in ascendance.

But maybe it's just populist movements? Maybe a left-wing movement, centered on reduce wealth inequality, strengthening workers rights and establishing universal healthcare would be just as capable of gaining widespread support. But unlike the right-wingers, centrists are not willing to dramatically change the system they are currently comfortable with.
The huge challenge that a left wing movement faces is to get its message in front of the people.

The mainstream media is mostly right leaning with even the most left wing outlets being centre left (by US standards - centre right by Western European standards) while the big social media channels are right behind Trump these days.

Perhaps there could be a grassroots movement but I fear that, like the occupy movement, after an initial burst of activity it will simply fizzle out without major channels behind it.
 
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