Was 'Crossbow Killer' influenced by Andrew Tate misogyny?

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So-called crossbow killer, Kyle Clifford, has been found guilty of raping ex-girlfriend, Louise Hunt, before killing her with his newly purchased crossbow and bolts. He had already murdered her mother, Carol, with a butchers knife after she let him in, and then killed the other sister, Hannah, with a crossbow bolt, when she arrived home after the second murder, Hannah managed to run upstairs and call for help to no avail. All this was carefully planned in advance, all because Louise dared finish the abusive relationship. Clifford had already pleaded guilty to the murders but denied the rape. It took the jury just 45mins to find him guilty as charged. Given Louise was tied up and gagged & his other victims were not, what was Clifford's game other than a cruel enjoyment of making the prosecutor prove it, in front of Louise's friends and family?

The interesting thing is - aside from his abusive nature - is that Clifford listened to Andrew Tate's podcast an hour before the murders. The only thing I have seen of the Tates - as I avoid them - is one of the Tates smacking a pillow, as if it was a girlfriend (as he yells angrily, his face creased with hatred).

Clifford had been in the army, apparently, as a Pashto interpreter, so I wonder if he was brought up in the religion associated with female subordination, especially with his pie-crust hair-style, given the language is spoken in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

The level of misogyny displayed by Clifford reveals an embittered and entitled mindset and one wonders what society can do to eradicate this type of violence. Louise did not put a foot wrong; she tried hard not to provoke Clifford in any way. What more was Loiuse Hunt and her family supposed to have done to protect herself and them from this chillingly calculating & controlling misogynist?

Less than 24 hours before Kyle Clifford committed the triple murder that would leave his ex-girlfriend, Louise Hunt, her sister and mother dead, he searched the internet for misogynistic podcasts.

What was not revealed to the jury – who have now found the former soldier guilty of rape, adding to his previous admissions of murder – was that the 26-year-old had listened to the influencer Andrew Tate.

Prosecutors argued “the sort of violent misogyny promoted by Tate is the same type of motivation that … fuelled both the murders and the rape”, the four-day trial heard. GUARDIAN
 
More likely he was a typical American kid, who scored high on the Defense Language Aptitude Battery, and got sent to the Defense Language Institute to learn a language in high demand at the time.

But - no surprise - of course we have to deal with absolute ignorance of Americans, Pashto, the US Army, and Andrew Tate, all in the service of a comically inept attempt to piggyback on the latest news cycle.
 
More likely he was a typical American kid, who scored high on the Defense Language Aptitude Battery, and got sent to the Defense Language Institute to learn a language in high demand at the time.
That is extremely unlikely, as he isn't American, and wasn't in the US Army.

But - no surprise - of course we have to deal with absolute ignorance of Americans, Pashto, the US Army, and Andrew Tate, all in the service of a comically inept attempt to piggyback on the latest news cycle.
Of course we have to deal with absolute ignorance of the subject under discussion, in service of a comically deluded assumption that everything is about the USA.
 
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The husband and father, who wasn't at home at the time of the murders, is a well-known racing commentator for the BBC.
 
.... so I wonder if he was brought up in the religion associated with female subordination, especially with his pie-crust hair-style, given the language is spoken in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
:rolleyes: Have you any evidence for this bigoted insinuation?
 
:rolleyes: Have you any evidence for this bigoted insinuation?
I could find no mention of him having been an interpreter of any sort, so it seems unlikely there's any basis at all for any consequent speculation.

What seems more relevant is that Kyle has a brother in prison for murder following a road-rage incident, so I don't think we need to go looking for causes outside the home.
 
I could find no mention of him having been an interpreter of any sort, so it seems unlikely there's any basis at all for any consequent speculation.

What seems more relevant is that Kyle has a brother in prison for murder following a road-rage incident, so I don't think we need to go looking for causes outside the home.
And there was his juvenile history of violence and bullying.
 
According to this he joined the Queen’s Dragoon Guards in 2019, "but left without completing active service". According to this their deployments since 2019 have been in Mali and Poland.
 
According to this he joined the Queen’s Dragoon Guards in 2019, "but left without completing active service". According to this their deployments since 2019 have been in Mali and Poland.
Well, his claimed translating skills would have been wasted with the complete lack of Pashtuns in those countries.
 
There seem to be people on TikTok saying he's a Muslim, but I think Vixen's usual source is the comments on the Daily Mail website.
My guess is that those are AI generated posts created in response to the usual suspects searching for "is Kyle Clifford Muslim?".
 
My guess is that those are AI generated posts created in response to the usual suspects searching for "is Kyle Clifford Muslim?".
They're pretty much the only hits in the first couple of pages of search results for Kyle Clifford and Pashto or Muslim that actually link the two (there were a couple of posts on Twitter pointing out that he isn't a Muslim).
 
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There seem to be people on TikTok saying he's a Muslim, but I think Vixen's usual source is the comments on the Daily Mail website.
Yeah, the clogosphere is littered with such Islamophobic drivel.
 
:rolleyes: Have you any evidence for this bigoted insinuation?

His cocky arrogant exhibition of having various other affairs at the same time whilst demanding Louise stop wearing makeup and refusing her right to end the relationship. His ultra macho attitude is characteristic. And no, it is nothing to do with bigotry, it's a social observation and if you have never been harassed and stalked by this type of character you'd best keep your counsel.
 
His cocky arrogant exhibition of having various other affairs at the same time whilst demanding Louise stop wearing makeup and refusing her right to end the relationship. His ultra macho attitude is characteristic.
Characteristic of what exactly?

And no, it is nothing to do with bigotry,
Right......
it's a social observation and if you have never been harassed and stalked by this type of character you'd best keep your counsel.
More bollocks leavened with Islamophobic bigotry.

You could simply admit that your usual right-wing sources of information were wrong......
 
Characteristic of what exactly?


Right......

More bollocks leavened with Islamophobic bigotry.

You could simply admit that your usual right-wing sources of information were wrong......

It is quite possible it is wrong but we might discover more once the sentencing has been done tomorrow. Two vicious murderers in one family obsessed with their 'honour' doesn't indicate a typical cultural value. Kyle Clifford's attitude to Louise seems very characteristic of my own unfortunate experience.
 
And if the perp refuses to attend to hear the whole life sentencing and victim impact statements, then just wheel him in by force.
 
It is quite possible it is wrong but we might discover more once the sentencing has been done tomorrow. Two vicious murderers in one family obsessed with their 'honour' doesn't indicate a typical cultural value. Kyle Clifford's attitude to Louise seems very characteristic of my own unfortunate experience.
More self-justifying bollocks. Grow up.
 
Why? What is the point?


For goodness sake! Are you going to claim this is a 'miscarriage of justice' and the poor thing is a victim of woke? The 'right' of triple women-killers and rapists to not have to attend trial or sentencing, whilst forcing Louise's close family and friends to have to listen to the 'poor thing's' sordid rape of her and have it splashed all over the national press. Who will think of the rights of the poor defendant?

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Is that your male order?
Ah, the juvenile nonsense....
For goodness sake! Are you going to claim this is a 'miscarriage of justice' and the poor thing is a victim of woke? The 'right' of triple women-killers and rapists to not have to attend trial or sentencing, whilst forcing Louise's close family and friends to have to listen to the 'poor thing's' sordid rape of her and have it splashed all over the national press. Who will think of the rights of the poor defendant?

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No. Outside your emotive nonsense, what is the point in forcing someone to attend a sentencing hearing?
 
His cocky arrogant exhibition of having various other affairs at the same time whilst demanding Louise stop wearing makeup and refusing her right to end the relationship. His ultra macho attitude is characteristic. And no, it is nothing to do with bigotry, it's a social observation and if you have never been harassed and stalked by this type of character you'd best keep your counsel.
How is that evidence that he was a translator of Pashto while in the army?
 
It is quite possible it is wrong but we might discover more once the sentencing has been done tomorrow. Two vicious murderers in one family obsessed with their 'honour' doesn't indicate a typical cultural value. Kyle Clifford's attitude to Louise seems very characteristic of my own unfortunate experience.
Your supposition that he might be Muslim seemed to hang on your assertion that he had been a Pashto translator in the Army. Are you going to support that assertion any time soon, or retract the chain of 'logic' you followed based on your error?
 
Your supposition that he might be Muslim seemed to hang on your assertion that he had been a Pashto translator in the Army. Are you going to support that assertion any time soon, or retract the chain of 'logic' you followed based on your error?

That is what I saw from a seemingly informed person (and no, it was not a racist AFAICS). It is possible he was confusing Clifford with the Khalifa chap, who was also British Army, sold secrets to Iran via the Signals corps.
 
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That is what I saw from a seemingly informed person (and no, it was not a racist AFAICS). It is possible he was confusing Clifford with the Khalifa chap, who was also British Army, sold secrets to Iran via the Signals corps.
You didn't think it was worth corroborating this assertion, before departing on your racist flight of fancy? You might want to be a bit more careful what sources you unthinkingly believe in future.
 
Instead of turning this thread into the kneejerk topic of Islamophobia please read my post at #20 more carefully.

On the issue of male violence and controlling behaviour over women, no one culture should be exempted from the issue.
What particular culture do you think is involved?
 
That is what I saw from a seemingly informed person (and no, it was not a racist AFAICS). It is possible he was confusing Clifford with the Khalifa chap, who was also British Army, sold secrets to Iran via the Signals corps.
Was this “informed person” an elderly Scottish man?
 
That is what I saw from a seemingly informed person (and no, it was not a racist AFAICS). It is possible he was confusing Clifford with the Khalifa chap, who was also British Army, sold secrets to Iran via the Signals corps.
Right.....
 
You didn't think it was worth corroborating this assertion, before departing on your racist flight of fancy? You might want to be a bit more careful what sources you unthinkingly believe in future.
Corroboration? That's crazy talk....
 

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