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[Merged] US Navy Acknowledges Unidentified Aerial Phenomena/DoD confirms leaked video is real

Meanwhile across the pond...

Demonic Forces Stopped Official UK Investigations Into UFOs

Nick Pope, who led the Ministry of Defence’s UFO desk between 1991
and 1994, has said the then chief of defence staff Lord Hill-Norton stopped
investigating sightings after being influenced by a controversial priest.
There are also similar beliefs in the US government, he added, with
politicians and officials frequently deferring to the Bible when the issue
of UFOs, now officially known as UAP, arises.

‘It’s counter-intuitive that some official resistance to taking UAP seriously
comes not from hard-nosed science-minded sceptics who think studying
the subject is a waste of government time and money, but from a faction
that believes UAP are real – but demonic,’ said Mr Pope, speaking to
Metro.co.uk. ‘This stems in part from a biblical description of Satan
as being “the prince of the power of the air” – a quotation from
the book of Ephesians.’
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Sean Kirkpatrick wrote an OPED for Scientific American about his time as director of the AARO, and why he resigned:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/heres-what-i-learned-as-the-u-s-governments-ufo-hunter/

After painstakingly assembling a team of highly talented and motivated personnel and working with them to develop a rational, systematic and science-based strategy to investigate these phenomena, our efforts were ultimately overwhelmed by sensational but unsupported claims that ignored contradictory evidence yet captured the attention of policy makers and the public, driving legislative battles and dominating the public narrative.

The result of this whirlwind of tall tales, fabrication and secondhand or thirdhand retellings of the same, was a social media frenzy and a significant amount of congressional and executive time and energy spent on investigating these so-called claims—as if we didn’t have anything better to do.
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Talk about a thankless job.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Mr Grusch, just give us one iota of proof. If this is so vital to the future of humanity, cast aside you petty loyalty for the country that is lying to all of us and show us some concrete evidence. You will be a hero for the ages!

I'll even contribute to the building of a statue of you at Skinwalker Ranch.
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If an E-4 can post cellphone footage he recorded from a base security monitor, and post it on the web, the director of the NRO would have access to specific UAP images and records at his fingertips. Yet Grusch has nothing to show us.

He's a liar.
 
Axxman300 said:
If an E-4 can post cellphone footage he recorded from a base security monitor, and post it on the web, the director of the NRO would have access to specific UAP images and records at his fingertips. Yet Grusch has nothing to show us.

He's a liar.
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I really think that this can be explained by a combination of his innate credulity and some great leg pulling by some jokers around him. Do these say, "He believes anything. Let's try this . . . . "? :eye-poppi
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Mr Grusch, just give us one iota of proof. If this is so vital to the future of humanity, cast aside you petty loyalty for the country that is lying to all of us and show us some concrete evidence. You will be a hero for the ages!

I'll even contribute to the building of a statue of you at Skinwalker Ranch.
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More likely protecting the continued existence of his job.

As the senator asked, how does an interstellar species overcome the technical challenges of getting here, but still ends up crashing it's space craft or failing to maintain their cloaking equipment whilst hotdogging around the skies.

And the answer is that Hey, we have technical problems don't we? Yep, but we aren't an interstellar species....

smfh
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
I really think that this can be explained by a combination of his innate credulity and some great leg pulling by some jokers around him. Do these say, "He believes anything. Let's try this . . . . "? :eye-poppi
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No. The 10% Rule applies. Growing up surrounded by the military, and military intelligence I've met active duty and veterans with all kinds of stories. Most are versions of well known UFO lore, but a few have been pretty wild. They're completely serious, and these are stories told only after they'd known me for a while. Today I think they just saw lights and because those lights belonged to an aircraft not in their chain of command they were told to forget about it.

And Grusch likely initiated those conversations too. I've never had an unsolicited UFO, ghost, or bigfoot story told to me out of the blue. Look up ghost and UFO stories that have come out of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you'll get an idea of the zeitgeist surrounding such tales as they emerge onto the pop-culture scene. One guy who's respected says he saw something, and soon other guys will see the same thing. Grusch's failure is he's made claims he is unwilling to back up with any evidence.
 
Axxman300 said:
No. The 10% Rule applies. Growing up surrounded by the military, and military intelligence I've met active duty and veterans with all kinds of stories. Most are versions of well known UFO lore, but a few have been pretty wild. They're completely serious, and these are stories told only after they'd known me for a while. Today I think they just saw lights and because those lights belonged to an aircraft not in their chain of command they were told to forget about it.

And Grusch likely initiated those conversations too. I've never had an unsolicited UFO, ghost, or bigfoot story told to me out of the blue. Look up ghost and UFO stories that have come out of our wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and you'll get an idea of the zeitgeist surrounding such tales as they emerge onto the pop-culture scene. One guy who's respected says he saw something, and soon other guys will see the same thing. Grusch's failure is he's made claims he is unwilling to back up with any evidence.
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Interesting word choice. ;) How about "incapable"?
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Interesting word choice. ;) How about "incapable"?
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Probably the same thing. My problem with him is he's a coward. If this was so important to mankind he'd risk prison to "get the truth out there". Instead what he's doing is hiding behind his former title and security clearance to sling bull doo-doo, and Congress, and the Press are eating up.
 
Congressman Says UFOs May Be Angles

Congressman Eric Burlison (R-MO) has waded into the discourse about UFOs
— and in an outburst that probably says more about the state of US politics
than unidentified objects in the sky, speculated that they might be "angels"
sent by God himself. "They may not fit exactly the Biblical narrative, but
whenever I use the term 'angels,'" he said, "to me, it's synonymous with
an extradimensional being."

"I think it's more likely that it would be something extradimensional than
it would be within this dimension," Burlison argued. "And then, so what I'll
say is that when you start talking about things in that nature, that they're
extradimensional, well, in a lot of different scriptures, including the Bible,
and others, that's really the way that you describe messengers of God or,
you know, angels."

"UFOs were in the Bible," representative Tim Burchett (R-TN) claimed in 2021.
"Read Ezekiel, it talks about the wheel flying around. So I mean, they’ve been
around since we’ve been around and somebody needs to come up with some
answers."
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From a hypercube perspective the Earth is flat.


I laughed when the X-Files mixed UFO's and religion, a crazy mix
of the supernatural and the subnatural, but, yeah, the source material
for the stories was crazy too.
 
The description of the "visions of God" at the beginning of Ezekiel is...massive and complicated and elaborate. The wheel-shaped things were described as accessories of these weird giant creatures who were themselves just stage dressing for a larger spectacle above them, and so forth. Simplifying the whole thing as "In Ezekiel it talks about the wheel flying around" so that it sounds like the guy claimed to have just seen a flying saucer is...disingenuous, but the kind of disingenuity that we're used to from both fundamentalist Christians and UFO believers.
 
Checkmite said:
The description of the "visions of God" at the beginning of Ezekiel is...massive and complicated and elaborate. The wheel-shaped things were described as accessories of these weird giant creatures who were themselves just stage dressing for a larger spectacle above them, and so forth. Simplifying the whole thing as "In Ezekiel it talks about the wheel flying around" so that it sounds like the guy claimed to have just seen a flying saucer is...disingenuous, but the kind of disingenuity that we're used to from both fundamentalist Christians and UFO believers.
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I just reread the Ezekiel story at https://www.biblestudytools.com/bible-stories/ezekiels-wheel-bible-story.html and it sort off confirms my long time thinking that it is just some one struggling to describe a violent storm with tornadoes. But I suppose it might have been angles. ;)
 
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