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[Merged] US Navy Acknowledges Unidentified Aerial Phenomena/DoD confirms leaked video is real

Here's a new article on the sensors they're using to track UAPs:

https://www.space.com/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-hot-spots-quest-data

Taking a scientific stab at untangling the UAP conundrum is the Galileo Project, an effort led by Harvard astrophysicist Avi Loeb.

This initiative has built an integrated software and instrumentation system designed to conduct a multimodal census of aerial phenomena and to recognize anomalies. Loeb believes that UAP present a long-standing mystery that can and should be investigated by the tools of contemporary science.

Loeb told Space.com that testing of the detection equipment is underway at a Harvard Observatory site and that the Galileo Project would be assembling a second observatory in Colorado.

"We are starting to collect data with our Harvard UAP Observatory and aim to analyze it with machine learning software," said Loeb.

The goal is to automate the identification process and check whether objects are natural (birds, bugs), human-made (balloons, drones, airplanes), Loeb said, "or something from beyond Earth."
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Sounds like the DoD and NASA are using the UAP thing to get backdoor funding for new sensor equipment, which in the end is a good thing.
 
Axxman300 said:
Here's a new article on the sensors they're using to track UAPs:

https://www.space.com/unidentified-anomalous-phenomena-hot-spots-quest-data



Sounds like the DoD and NASA are using the UAP thing to get backdoor funding for new sensor equipment, which in the end is a good thing.
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As I have posted in the past in this forum, there are many, many areas of the world covered by all-sky camera networks. They record the sky night after night mostly looking for meteors. If there were "UFO"s flitting around they would have been captured by now.

The network I am somewhat familiar with is the one run by the University of Western Ontario with the results posted here: https://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/research/allsky/overview.html

Other links are: https://www.allskycam.com/ and here: http://goskysentinel.com/

If any agency wants to look for UAPs, they could start with analyzing the Gigabytes of existing data. :rolleyes: :boggled:
 
Axxman300 said:
Sounds like the DoD and NASA are using the UAP thing to get backdoor funding for new sensor equipment, which in the end is a good thing.
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It doesn't sound like that to me at all; all of the initiatives mentioned in that report for instance are private companies who perhaps might be chasing government funding now but themselves aren't DoD or NASA.

I maintain my opinion that, organizationally, DoD and NASA still aren't interested in UFOs and are reluctantly going through motions that have been imposed on them by Congress. I think that there are certainly individuals within these bodies who have a separate personal lifelong fascination with UFOs, who have found a means of expression by attaching themselves to these imposed programs. And those individuals are certainly enthusiastic about their chosen task, which they likely see as the partial fulfillment of a wish. But I also think the enthusiasm ends with them; I think that on an institutional level, both DoD and NASA know (or think they know) that for the most part it's inaccurate witness statements and/or inconsequential and uninteresting floating garbage and they resent having to waste time and resources on it.
 
Checkmite said:
It doesn't sound like that to me at all; all of the initiatives mentioned in that report for instance are private companies who perhaps might be chasing government funding now but themselves aren't DoD or NASA.

I maintain my opinion that, organizationally, DoD and NASA still aren't interested in UFOs and are reluctantly going through motions that have been imposed on them by Congress. I think that there are certainly individuals within these bodies who have a separate personal lifelong fascination with UFOs, who have found a means of expression by attaching themselves to these imposed programs. And those individuals are certainly enthusiastic about their chosen task, which they likely see as the partial fulfillment of a wish. But I also think the enthusiasm ends with them; I think that on an institutional level, both DoD and NASA know (or think they know) that for the most part it's inaccurate witness statements and/or inconsequential and uninteresting floating garbage and they resent having to waste time and resources on it.
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To be clear, I think this whole thing is a waste of time and money. What bothers me is UFO "activists" somehow convinced people in Congress and the mainstream news that there was something to all this BS.
 
Axxman300 said:
To be clear, I think this whole thing is a waste of time and money.
What bothers me is UFO "activists" somehow convinced people in
Congress and the mainstream news that there was something to all this BS.
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It's the excitement of: They know nothing and you know nothing.



From the Sixty Minutes UAP video:

"We knew and understood that you had to go to the public, get the public
interested to get congress interested to then circle back to the defense
department and get them to start taking a look at it."


A sales job that exited the public with provocative questions
and nonsense answers:

"What is it? What is its intentions? What is its capabilities?"

"Imagine a technology that can do 600 to 700 g-forces, fly at 13,000 miles
an hour, that can evade radar, that can fly through air, water, and possibly
space, and by the way has no obvious signs of propulsion, no wings, no
control surfaces, and yet can defy the natural effects of Earth's gravity.
Precisely what we see."

Well, we don't see... But we can ooh and aah.
 
The assumption that any particular image has to be associated with an "object" is one of the greatest misconceptions in the entire field.
 
The Atlantic semi-decent take:

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/us-government-ufo-uap-alien-cover-up/676032/

However, I believe the UFO cover-up is about more than state secrets. The government routinely hides information important and meaningless on all manner of subjects, regardless of whether legitimate national-security concerns are involved. Its default position is to stonewall, especially to conceal embarrassing revelations. After reading thousands of pages of government reports, I believe that the government’s uneasiness over its sheer ignorance drives its secrecy. It just doesn’t know very much.
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Officials are, at the end of the day, clueless about what a certain portion of UFOs and UAPs actually are, and they don’t like to say so. After all, “I don’t know” is a terribly uncomfortable response for a bureaucracy that spends more than $900 billion a year on homeland security and national defense.
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But half way through the article the author drifts down the old rabbit hole of, "The sightings the government can't explain:

Subsequent attempts to “solve” the mystery have consistently come up short. In 1953, the CIA—with its director and the head of scientific intelligence both bewildered by ongoing UFO reports—convened the Robertson Panel, a secret research group chaired by the Caltech physicist Howard P. Robertson. After hearing from experts and examining sighting reports, the panel concluded that there was “no evidence” that UFOs posed a threat to national security. But it used a sleight of hand to arrive at that conclusion: The researchers looked closely at only a small number of sightings, decided they seemed mundane, and extrapolated that the rest probably weren’t very interesting either. The Robertson Panel couldn’t explain all UFO sightings in the end—it just reckoned that, whatever they were, they weren’t threatening.
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...and then J. Allen Hynek is resurrected:

Many people who study UFOs end up frustrated by the government’s ignorance rather than its secrets. J. Allen Hynek, a distinguished Ohio astronomer who was involved with Project Sign and Project Blue Book, came to believe that government agencies tried to dodge questions about UFOs not because they were hiding something but because they had no actual knowledge to hide. For decades, Hynek traveled to UFO sightings around the country. He became so professionally fascinated with them that he wrote several books on the topic, coining the phrase “Close Encounters of the Third Kind” and playing a bit part in the Steven Spielberg movie of the same name. He was a constant presence in the government’s UFO work from the 1940s to the 1970s. Along the way, he was repeatedly frustrated by the poor answers military colleagues and higher-ups used to brush away sightings—explanations he doubted as a scientist and ones that didn’t square with witness testimonies.
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After leaving government and founding the independent Center for UFO Studies, Hynek said he doubted that there was a grand government conspiracy. “There are two kinds of cover-ups,” he explained in 1977. “You can cover up knowledge and you can cover up ignorance. I think there was much more of the latter than of the former.”
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I'll say this again: Everyone should be disturbed at how a bunch of "UFO Activists" working in media (NYTimes), and the Federal Government (DoD, NRO, and both houses of Congress) have successfully advanced their agenda of Woo into the public arena with mostly no push back from people who should know better. This isn't funny. Real money is being spent. NASA had to divert money and resources to play along with this BS, and our national security has been threatened because the USAF dumped Chinese spy balloons off on the UAP "office", who in turn ran with the little green men theory.

At least with smoke and mirrors there are actual mirrors and smoke involved. The UAP/UFO thing has neither.
 
The TRUTH is soon to be revealed (maybe).

UFO Hacker’s Victory: Gary McKinnon’s Potential to Reveal Government Secrets about Extraterrestrial Life


Gary McKinnon, a British hacker, has emerged victorious in his ten-year-long battle against extradition to the United States.
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So -

With the extradition threat lifted and minimal risk of prosecution, McKinnon might now have the opportunity to disclose further details about his findings within sensitive U.S. military and government computer files concerning UFOs and extraterrestrial life. This could potentially shed more light on the hidden secrets and activities surrounding these subjects.
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Or, then again, maybe not.
 
Great, I can't wait.

But I'm going to anyway. We all are. For a very long time. Wait and wait and wait, and wait some more, and then wait even more after that.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Nicely done. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

And kudos to The new York Post. There is a least one member of the MSN that does some actual investigative reporting.

'Crazy' UFO-believing Pentagon bosses missed spy craft for years

But, sigh, one one.
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Seems like there SHOULD be an investigation by my thinking...
One into these conartists who have literally scammed tens of millions from the US taxpayers...
It was a nice little incestuous circle of ghost hunters, ufologists and some nutcase government officials (some elected, some not) who had themselves a nice little gravy train going for a while...
:mad:
 
I think there's a couple of fishy things about the whole business that could stand to be investigated.

The fact that Senator Harry Reid was able to arrange an exclusive military contract for a company owned by a campaign contributor is just naked corruption. But Reid is dead, so that particular angle of investigation would be pointless.

The fact that the beneficiaries of the contract are able to write books and give interviews in which they openly and explicitly admit that both the contract itself and the project documentation were written specifically to mislead military officials and hide the contractor's activities from lawful oversight, is - as the kids like to say - "a bit sus".

Luis Elizondo's initially being paraded across media as the "director" of "AATIP", the "Pentagon's secret UFO program" that was not a Pentagon program at all but rather just Elizondo's spare-time personal hobby and only secret in the sense that only people whom Elizondo chose to tell about it knew anything about it, raises some questions as well. Like, for instance, did he frame his "activity" as an official Pentagon-sanctioned program or imply any kind of genuine investigative authority when communicating with or collecting UFO reports from service personnel? Because that would be...problematic, if so.
 
This was streamed 4 hours ago as of the date of this post.

WATCH: UAP Transparency; House Oversight VOWS To Tell American People The Truth On UFO's



Unfortunately (or maybe not) the volume is very low but the closed captioning is working. The words I see are in English but its the S o S as far as I can tell.

Just noticed that there is a transcript but I'm not much wiser. :confused:
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
This was streamed 4 hours ago as of the date of this post.

WATCH: UAP Transparency; House Oversight VOWS To Tell American People The Truth On UFO's



Unfortunately (or maybe not) the volume is very low but the closed captioning is working. The words I see are in English but its the S o S as far as I can tell.

Just noticed that there is a transcript but I'm not much wiser. :confused:
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Forget the comment about the volume. There was a loose connection at my end. (And, NO JOKES, please). :o
 
Now Soon it can be revealed!!!

12 ALIEN CRAFT In US Custody, Per Intel: Michael Shellenberger; Single Source Claims PILOT Recovered




"We need to go into these facilities and look for these craft."

Area 51 needs more hanger space!

:alien011:
 
So I did a search and came across a document by him.

Shellenberger Debrief

Ick. 177 pages.

What's in there? Warp Drive, Zero Point Energy, Antigravity, Cold Fusion ...
What's not in there? Bigfoot, Nessie, Elvis ...

Looks like he just did a mass copy and replace of UFO with AUP to freshen it up.

P. S. A PDF version exists on the site if, and only if, you want to look at it.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
"We need to go into these facilities and look for these craft."

Area 51 needs more hanger space!
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They could just dig a big basement and hide their UFOs there.

Conspiracy theorists will never guess nefarious stuff might be going on in a basement that doesn't exist on the building plans.
 
Gord_in_Toronto said:
Now Soon it can be revealed!!!

12 ALIEN CRAFT In US Custody, Per Intel: Michael Shellenberger; Single Source Claims PILOT Recovered




"We need to go into these facilities and look for these craft."

Area 51 needs more hanger space!

:alien011:
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PLOT TWIST: There are actually zero alien craft in US custody.
 
His sources?
Are they the usual echo chamber crowd of I want to believe gullibles and flying saucer carpetbaggers?
 
Apathia said:
His sources?
Are they the usual echo chamber crowd of I want to believe gullibles and flying saucer carpetbaggers?
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Te best as I can tell, "Yes".

I'm somewhat convinced that many of these reports are spurred on by leg-pulling jokers, playing tricks on the gullible believers.
 
If the USA did have alien craft etc that they wanted to keep secret why would they keep it in area 51?
 
Darat said:
If the USA did have alien craft etc that they wanted to keep secret why would they keep it in area 51?
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Area 50 is already full …

Anyway, I was also wondering how they would keep so many crashed craft, but then I realised they might be truly tiny, so perhaps they could fit in a drawer?
 
theprestige said:
Presumably because it's a facility that's set up to control access to such things.

Why do you ask?
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But if you know what they do at Groom Lake you'd know they wouldn't store recovered alien craft there. It's a busy place. And there are other locations which are more secure, and lower profile. UFO nuts point to Area 51 because it's pop-culture, not because they have any functional knowledge of the USAF, or in the case of Groom Lake, the CIA. And Groom Lake is not consistent with UFO lore. The Roswell crash in 1947 at the very least was told by people who understood the USAF, and since it was likely a test balloon the handling of the wreckage is consistent with stated USAF policies regarding recovered foreign aircraft. They crated it all up and shipped it to Wright-Patterson AFB, which is where the USAF would send a crashed UFO, if such an event happened in real life.

Wright Patterson has all the latest equipment for scanning, and metallurgy. And while it's busier than Groom Lake, this allows large C-130, C-17, and C-5 transports to come and go without notice, whereas such aircraft landing at Groom Lake would be a giant red flag to foreign satellites, and observers in the surrounding hills. In short, Wright-Patterson allows the USAF to play 3-Card Monty with foreign intelligence.

And many large military reservations will have restricted areas for storage, and testing. Hunter-Liggett, Dugway come to mind, and there are a number of military "camps" sprinkled between Georgia and Virginia that are home to black-ops types for housing and training.

My problem is there is no consistency with the stories of recovered craft, and where and how they are housed. If they were all fighter-sized craft it would be one thing, but lately they're claiming they have giant-sized vehicles in storage, and that's asking a lot from security, and limits locations to place that are easily observed. And as an ex-UFO guy, I demand consistency because it is not too much to ask. Not in 2023.
 
At one point or another there probably were captured nazi aircraft stored and tested in remote facilities, maybe even US prototypes in testing before an ignoble trip to be scrapped.
I was in the USAF and we were told to not be curious if something unusual landed on the base. We would already know something if it was our business.

It was good advice to stay out of unwanted attention.
UFO now serves mainly to keep Roswell from being a ghost town with four residents in old trailers and charlatans well fed despite having no other talents.
 
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Oh dear. It looks like were not going to hear the TRUTH after all. :rolleyes:

David Grusch: Congress’ pared-down UAP measure a ‘total failure’

“What we’re witnessing right now is, quite frankly, the greatest legislative failure in American history,” Grusch said Monday on “Elizabeth Vargas Reports.” “Whether you believe my allegations or not, this is a government transparency issue at large.”
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What are they covering up?

Whatever they are this guy is really really mad with them,!


Ross Coulthart: Australian Skeptics bent spoon award winner for award for 2023
 
Puppycow said:


Rebecca's latest.

"The debunkers are on suicide watch right now!!!" :dl:
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Reminds me of the aftermath of Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. They said all us skeptics and debunkers would now have to go get "real jobs." Speaking of which, is Dr. Greer still running his UFO seances out in the woods?
 
Chuck Schumer calls for the government to come clean about its alien materials recovery programs and reveal all that top secret UAP material on how the US obtained technology from the crashed alien ships.

Show us the alien materials! Show us the technology! Show us all the equipment and methods used for this surveillance!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/poli...S&cvid=5b959a9512c8414eba8f6fdbc971e3aa&ei=35

And while you're at it, fetch me the skyhook.

And if the no one is forthcoming in disclosing all tops secrets, then the great cover-up continues.

We been down this road again and again. That's why the mainstream media isn't impressed.

Next up:
The Boy Who Found The Skyhook
He found it, but he can't show you it, because the men in black suits took it from him!

True story: We found the Snipe, but it turned into a bird and flew away!
 
steenkh said:
Area 50 is already full …

Anyway, I was also wondering how they would keep so many crashed craft, but then I realised they might be truly tiny, so perhaps they could fit in a drawer?
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“The mighty ships tore across the empty wastes of space and finally dived screaming on to the first planet they came across - which happened to be the Earth - where due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire battle fleet was accidentally swallowed by a small dog.”

D. Adams (almost) always gets there first.
 
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