The relationship between Denmark and Greenland is a little different. If the Greenlandic parliament decided to secede and join the U.S., I am pretty sure that it would happen. Greenland has more or less been promised independence if they really want it.
Trump's US Threat to Greenland (which belongs to Denmark)
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Clutch Cargo
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Well, the crux of it is that if Trump and Greenland reach a deal then the Danish PM can go to .... bed.
Hlafordlaes
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Quite sure the poor folk of Greenland would be Gaza-ed in a jiffy, corralled and silenced while the earth movers do their thing. What horrors await anyone falling under American imperial rule. Let us recall: the USA is complicit in genocide and has announced a plan for Gaza equal to anything the Nazis did. 
"Manifest Villainy, for the win!"
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And the crux of the matter is that so can the U.S. president if - as is quite clear at the moment - the Greenlanders do not want to be treated like the native Americans, or like Puerto Ricans, or Virgin Islanders. Which is not what you are saying at all.
Clutch Cargo
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That has nothing to do with it.
From post 793:
I usually disagree with Marc Polymeropoulos, former CIA officer retired due to 'Havana syndrome', but I don't do so in this context - and it's not because the waste of "precious intelligence resources" concerns me much:
There are now a couple of Wikipedia pages about this issue:
Proposed United States acquisition of Greenland: 21st century (this one is very long)
American expansionism under Donald Trump: Greenland
I usually disagree with Marc Polymeropoulos, former CIA officer retired due to 'Havana syndrome', but I don't do so in this context - and it's not because the waste of "precious intelligence resources" concerns me much:
There are now a couple of Wikipedia pages about this issue:
Proposed United States acquisition of Greenland: 21st century (this one is very long)
American expansionism under Donald Trump: Greenland
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Clutch Cargo
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It is a matter between Greenland and the US. Danmark should keep its nose out of it.
Danmark is in Europe.
Greenland is in North America.
Danmark is in Europe. Greenland is in North America.
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Hercules56
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It is a matter between Greenland and the US. Danmark should keep its nose out of it.
Greenland is 100% Danish territory. It belongs to them.
arthwollipot
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Tectonically, this is true. But tectonically, a huge chunk of Eastern Russia is also "in" North America, ie. part of the North American Plate. Are there plans to invade Kamchatka now? What other countries base their borders according to tectonic plates?
Clutch Cargo
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It is a matter between Greenland and the US. Danmark should keep its nose out of it.
Tectonical Facts FOR YOUR INFORMATION
 DANMARK Capital: Copenhagen Official language: Danish Population: 5.947 million (2023) World Bank Continent: Europe | GREENLAND Capital: Nuuk Official language: Greenlandic Population: 56,865 (2023) World Bank Continent: North America |
There is no "but".
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arthwollipot
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I notice that you have no source for your table. I think you just made it up.
Anyway, just because it's on the same continent doesn't mean it's the same country. There are many countries on the African continent, the Asian continent and the European continent. In fact, the only country that occupies its entire continent is Australia. What continent a country happens to be on has jack all to do with its national sovereignty. Greenland has been part of Denmark for two hundred years, and has been culturally and politically part of the European states for a thousand. The United States has no business there.
If you ask me, that's a very big but. I like big buts, and I cannot lie.
Anyway, just because it's on the same continent doesn't mean it's the same country. There are many countries on the African continent, the Asian continent and the European continent. In fact, the only country that occupies its entire continent is Australia. What continent a country happens to be on has jack all to do with its national sovereignty. Greenland has been part of Denmark for two hundred years, and has been culturally and politically part of the European states for a thousand. The United States has no business there.
If you ask me, that's a very big but. I like big buts, and I cannot lie.
Tectonical Facts FOR YOUR INFORMATION
Ah, the old nature argument!
'But Langtbortistan is on our side of the river!'
Clutch Cargo hasn't noticed that nobody gives a ◊◊◊◊ about continents.
Not even Trump, who never heard of tectonic plates.
If he ever heard the term, he would probably think that it's what kiviak is served on in Nuuk.
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Clutch Cargo
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I drew the table up from memory and my own personal experience travelling round the world. But if you like I can fact check it and send you a linked source. Would that be OK?
Do you?
I don't understand your logic. It doesn't seem to agree with the general world opinion. I can think of many examples if you like. Shall I do that for you?
There are nearly 200 recognised countries round the world.
You think not?
So, it's true that you think I made up the tectonic table in my last post?
Clutch Cargo
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Yes, the old tried and true nature argument!
I am not at all surprised that Clutch Cargo appeals to nature.
He does so for the same reason that he leaves out the USA when he mentions capitals, languages and population sizes:
Capital: Nuuk
Official language: Greenlandic
Population: 56,865 (2023) World Bank
He does so for the same reason that he leaves out the USA when he mentions capitals, languages and population sizes:
Capital: Nuuk
Official language: Greenlandic
Population: 56,865 (2023) World Bank
arthwollipot
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Clearly.
Many examples of countries that occupy an entire continent? There is only one example. I already gave it to you.
On five, six, or seven continents, depending on how many you recognise.
I do, indeed, think not. On what continent is the island of New Guinea? On what continent is Kazakhstan? Is Türkiye part of Asia or Europe?
You said you made it up. That you happened to be right is irrelevant. A stopped clock is right twice a day.
Regardless, which continent a country is on has jack all to do with its sovereignty. You want the United States to usurp the sovereignty of an autonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark, in defiance of the wishes of the people of Denmark and in defiance of the wishes of the people of Greenland. Trump has said that he is willing to use military force to annex this sovereign territory. You know what they call that? Invasion. Occupation. A declaration of war. No. The United States has no right in international law or in common sense to this territory.
Clutch Cargo
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Yes, I'm sure that's what I said.
What is it I said that I made up?
Hej! Now now that might be a good idea!
They have as much right as anyone else. Do you agree?
Mojo
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Why are you all ignoring the Elephant in the room?
Trump is paranoid because annually a covert hypersonic smuggling mission is launched from Greenland that overflies the US and has proved impossible to intercept. He is after this technology, and to ensure tariffs are paid by all the good little girls and boys.
He probably also wants the North Pole for display outside of the White House.
Trump is paranoid because annually a covert hypersonic smuggling mission is launched from Greenland that overflies the US and has proved impossible to intercept. He is after this technology, and to ensure tariffs are paid by all the good little girls and boys.
He probably also wants the North Pole for display outside of the White House.
They actually have no right whatsoever. According to internal law - and previous treaties with the U.S. - it belongs to Denmark. As it happens, Denmark recognises the right of Greenland to become independent - a right that I doubt the U.S. would grant to any current state.
Clutch Cargo
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Of course, but the 50 or 60 Greenlanders I've met in Danmark (and claim to be representative of Greenland's population as a whole) want nothing to do with Mette Frederiksen and they say they prefer to be part of Donald Trump's USA. Obviously , no one knows if JD Vance will be in the White House after Trump's term or even if Vance will follow in Trump's footsteps, so as always the long term is uncertain. I didn't discuss the Danish Royal Family with them but those have no bearing on Danmarks future anyway. So, the bottom line is that there is a more-than-likely chance that Greenland is more optimistic to joining the US ..... than not. Hej Grønland!
Clutch Cargo
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See post #821
Are you, by the way, one of those agents sent to dig up support among Greenlanders?Of course, but the 50 or 60 Greenlanders I've met in Danmark (and claim to be representative of Greenland's population as a whole) want nothing to do with Mette Frederiksen and they say they prefer to be part of Donald Trump's USA. Obviously , no one knows if JD Vance will be in the White House after Trump's term or even if Vance will follow in Trump's footsteps, so as always the long term is uncertain. I didn't discuss the Danish Royal Family with them but those have no bearing on Danmarks future anyway. So, the bottom line is that there is a more-than-likely chance that Greenland is more optimistic to joining the US ..... than not. Hej Grønland!
There was an election recently, in case you didn’t notice it, and the overwhelming majority voted for parties that would have nothing to do with Trump or Vance whatsoever. Considering the small size of the Greenlandic population, it seems that you have managed to meet all of Trump‘s supporters, and they were all in Copenhagen.
That post seems irrelevant to my point.
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This is certainly consistent with his war on dolls, where he intends to deport millions of dolls to Salvadorean megaprison. I haven't checked his figures but his declared intent is to cut the number of dolls being harboured by American girls up to 15 from around 30 each to just 2.
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And you believe that, why??
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Much less than Denmark does. Its their land.Yes, I'm sure that's what I said.
What is it I said that I made up?
Hej! Now now that might be a good idea!
They have as much right as anyone else. Do you agree?
Clutch Cargo has evidently given up on all relevant references to reality and is making it up as he goes along:
Fifty or sixty Greenlanders came up to me, big Greenlanders, strong Greenlanders, claiming to be representative of Greenland's population as a whole, with tears in their eyes, and said, "Sir, Sir, we thank you for your effort to report on our behalf the wishes of all Greenlanders. We want nothing to do with Denmark and its prime minister Mette Frederiksen and instead want to become a part of Donald Trump's USA.
Those poll numbers that you have seen have nothing to do with what Greenlanders want.
We trust you to report to the world of international skepticism the truth and nothing but the truth. Anything else you may hear that hasn't been approved by Donald Trump is lies made up by the fake-stream media.
Clutch Cargo's posts are a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ waste of time and life. I don't understand why he is allowed to derail thread after thread.
Of course, but the 50 or 60 Greenlanders I've met in Danmark (and claim to be representative of Greenland's population as a whole) want nothing to do with Mette Frederiksen and they say they prefer to be part of Donald Trump's USA. Obviously , no one knows if JD Vance will be in the White House after Trump's term or even if Vance will follow in Trump's footsteps, so as always the long term is uncertain. I didn't discuss the Danish Royal Family with them but those have no bearing on Danmarks future anyway. So, the bottom line is that there is a more-than-likely chance that Greenland is more optimistic to joining the US ..... than not. Hej Grønland!
Fifty or sixty Greenlanders came up to me, big Greenlanders, strong Greenlanders, claiming to be representative of Greenland's population as a whole, with tears in their eyes, and said, "Sir, Sir, we thank you for your effort to report on our behalf the wishes of all Greenlanders. We want nothing to do with Denmark and its prime minister Mette Frederiksen and instead want to become a part of Donald Trump's USA.
Those poll numbers that you have seen have nothing to do with what Greenlanders want.
We trust you to report to the world of international skepticism the truth and nothing but the truth. Anything else you may hear that hasn't been approved by Donald Trump is lies made up by the fake-stream media.
Clutch Cargo's posts are a ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ waste of time and life. I don't understand why he is allowed to derail thread after thread.
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Steve
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There seems to be posts in this thread that bear a remarkable resemblance to facebook bot posts.
Clutch Cargo
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Yes, that is certainly good. .
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Clutch Cargo
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No.
Clutch Cargo
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Yes. Most people have probably met more than fifty or sixty Greenlanders.
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Hercules56
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Indeed.
arthwollipot
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And are these 50 or 60 Greenlanders in the room with us right now?
psionl0
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If Trump wants Greenland so badly then he should offer it full statehood (including 2 Senators and 3 EC votes) so that it enjoys the same protection under the constitution as the other states. (Trump doesn't want that at all of course).
Clutch Cargo
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How would that be possible?
Maybe Greenland can negociate such terms.
Clutch Cargo
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VERY INTERESTING
* Hawaii and Greenland are roughly the same distance from the US.
* Greenland is part of North America, Hawaii is not.
* Hawaii is a US state, Greenland is not ….. but it could become one as long as both governments come to an agreement.
And so what?
Hercules56
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Greenland wants nothing to do with the USA.
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Chile is closer to Argentina than the Falkland Islands are. Why doesn't Chile belong to Argentina?