Trump's Second Term

I heard this song playing today in a fast food restaurant: "Everybody Wants To Rule The World," by Tears For Fears.

Everybody Wants To Rule the World, LINK

Seemed oddly appropriate for right now.

♫Welcome to your life
There's no turning back...
Help me make the most
Of freedom and of pleasure
Nothing ever lasts forever
Everybody wants to rule the world♫


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I saw TFF perform once, with Blondie opening up....which gives me an idea, when Roland opens his mouth it creates a vacuum kind of like a black hole, I wonder if we could use it as a nuclear deterrent? ;)
 
I used to have a manager who's family had fled Iran, she referred to herself as Persian.
Met two Iranians (that I know) of in my life, one a US born student daughter of an Iraqi mother and Iranian father, the other an Iranian emigrant who was my boss in Dell. Both called themselves Iranian, largely because they and their families were not fans of the Shah.
 
Back in the early 70's my supervisor was a Dr. Ebadi, a Persian. He was most definitely Persian. Insistent about it.
He moved his family over to the UK, before the fall of the Shah.
Really nice chap.
 
Yes, according to Federal law the President has the authority to engage in limited military action but needs Congress' approval after 90 days of activity. Or 60 days, i forgot the time frame.
 
Met two Iranians (that I know) of in my life, one a US born student daughter of an Iraqi mother and Iranian father, the other an Iranian emigrant who was my boss in Dell. Both called themselves Iranian, largely because they and their families were not fans of the Shah.
There were a lot of Iranians/Persians attending college in the US during the 70s. The Shah's secret police were notorious so hearing they were not fans of the Shah isn't surprising. I heard a lot of those students complaining about the United States government. Who they rightfully said was complicit in propping up the Shah's government and his brutal secret police.
 
Yes, according to Federal law the President has the authority to engage in limited military action but needs Congress' approval after 90 days of activity. Or 60 days, i forgot the time frame.
It's called the War Powers act.. Passed after the Gulf of Tonkin incident I believe. In theory, the authority is provisional. But the President is nevertheless expected to consult with congress expeditiously and even before he takes action if possible. Meeting with Gang of Five is expected.

Trump isn't even attempting to be Presidential. He is acting as a monarch. Accountable to no one.

I was wrong. It was passed in 73. After Congress found out about the the US bombings in Cambodia.
 
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That the part of the process they want to destroy (bombs etc) is the centrifuges. It is quite high tech, ast they spin fast and there is a system then to collect UF6. But the rest of it does not need to be protected so well and the final UO2 can be stored anywhere. But the amount is unknown. There have been no inspectors. It could be any amount. The minimum amount needed for a warhead is not in Wikipedia. I would say there is no bomb. It would need to be tested in some manner. They have not done that.
I will stick to my claim that Iran has no 90% uranium needed for the bomb. it is laborius process. Plus the bomb itself.
 
It's not a cult.

Jan 29, 2024

Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
Today @Nikki Haley went on @CNBC and called for the US to bomb Iran.
Nikki Haley wants more war in the Middle East, which means more dead US soldiers.
The only person who has proven that he won't create more wars is Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is the pro peace candidate.

Jun 21, 2025

Laura Loomer
@LauraLoomer
President Trump confirms the US just BOMBED all 3 Nuclear sites in Iran. He said all US planes are now on their way home.
Thank you, President Trump!
 
As questionable as I find this particular action, and its timing, and its motivations, and as much as I dislike Trump and think he's a wicked idiot....I don't think this was something he actually wanted to do. I think he got pushed into it and, in typical Trump fashion, tries to claim credit for what he imagines is a credit-worthy thing. Love this attack or hate it, it doesn't seem very Trumplike to me. His style is to make threats and not carry them out. I think he really wanted two weeks plus to look tough, not to actually carry out risky action that might backfire spectacularly not only in themselves but also for the political consequences to himself. Trump's risk-averse when it comes to his own popularity, isn't he?

I think it was people around him who pushed him into this, and I don't think it was his weirdo crypto Nazi cronies -- they strike me as much more interested domestically than internationally. I think it was remaining Bush-like warhawks who pushed for this now, the "old school" that's still managed to hang in there.
"If we have nuclear weapons why can't we use them?". Remember?
 
Any idiot
Trump has been nominated for the Nobel peace prize every year by one nonce or another. A lot of people can nominate for the prize, including every member of the US Congress and Senate, so if it's a peace prize nomination he wants, there are easier ways.
Any Idiot can nominate any other Idiot for the Nobel Prize. Getting the Nobel Prize commitee to take a nomination seriously is the hard part.
 
I will stick to my claim that Iran has no 90% uranium needed for the bomb. it is laborius process. Plus the bomb itself.
I thin Trump's air strikes were a terrible mistake, but let's not whitewash the Iranian goverment. it is pretty obvious they are after a Nuclear Weapon.
and Most of the experts I have read disagre with you about how far along Iran is in it's quest.
I have never understood why so many on the Left basically try to carry the water for the Ayatollahs, except it is a :Enemy of my enemy is my fireind kind oof thing.
 
What airbase did the bombers fly from?
I'm not sure this was answered. trump announced the B2s returned to "Missouri." Whiteman Air Force Base in Missouri -- about 50 miles southeast of Kansas City -- is reported to be the current home of the B2 Spirit bombers. By the way, Iran is over 7,000 miles from the base. The B2's cruising speed is reportedly 560 mph so it would have been a round-trip of over 24 hours.
 
I thin Trump's air strikes were a terrible mistake, but let's not whitewash the Iranian goverment. it is pretty obvious they are after a Nuclear Weapon.
and Most of the experts I have read disagre with you about how far along Iran is in it's quest.
I have never understood why so many on the Left basically try to carry the water for the Ayatollahs, except it is a :Enemy of my enemy is my fireind kind oof thing.
I have no illusions about Iran and the Ayatollah. But I don't think they were building a bomb. Just like I didn't believe that Iraq was. These are many of the same experts. I'll say one thing about Bush. He built a consensus of US allies before he launched his war on Iraq.

But America no longer has its allies. And they are not with us. Trump just turned the US into a pariah.

Reminds me of Monty Python.
 
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All this . . . thing did was to guarantee the U.S. will experience a briefcase nuke somewhere in the future.

Or am I being too cynical?
 
All this . . . thing did was to guarantee the U.S. will experience a briefcase nuke somewhere in the future.

Or am I being too cynical?
I understand the cynicism. I don't expect that. But I do think it guarantees strikes against the United States. And it's hard to say we don't deserve them when we do things like this.
 
All this . . . thing did was to guarantee the U.S. will experience a briefcase nuke somewhere in the future.

Or am I being too cynical?
Not cynical, just inaccurate; nukes can't really fit in a suitcase let alone a briefcase. As someone mentioned before, it'll probably be a bioweapon.
 
I thin Trump's air strikes were a terrible mistake, but let's not whitewash the Iranian goverment. it is pretty obvious they are after a Nuclear Weapon.
and Most of the experts I have read disagre with you about how far along Iran is in it's quest.
I have never understood why so many on the Left basically try to carry the water for the Ayatollahs, except it is a :Enemy of my enemy is my fireind kind oof thing.
Most of the intelligence agencies (including US) had determined that Iran had NOT decided to construct nuclear weapons, and were NOT constructing nuclear weapons. They were developing the resources that would allow them to do so if they decided to. They were in the position that they could produce weapons grade uranium within weeks / months. There is still a big step between producing weapons grade uranium and constructing nuclear weapons. Remember that of the eight countries who have possessed nuclear weapons (not counting ex soviet states) one has decommissioned their weapons and only one has ever used them. Almost certainly the main intent of Iran in obtaining a nuclear weapon would be to deter the sort of attack that it is undergoing. To repeat Iran is the only country to have been attacked by WMD since WW2. Also to repeat Khamenei (the supreme leader) has been consistently against their development and use, which is probably why there was no attempt to assassinate him as there is no guarantee a successor would have the same view.
 
Most of the intelligence agencies (including US) had determined that Iran had NOT decided to construct nuclear weapons, and were NOT constructing nuclear weapons. They were developing the resources that would allow them to do so if they decided to. They were in the position that they could produce weapons grade uranium within weeks / months. There is still a big step between producing weapons grade uranium and constructing nuclear weapons. Remember that of the eight countries who have possessed nuclear weapons (not counting ex soviet states) one has decommissioned their weapons and only one has ever used them. Almost certainly the main intent of Iran in obtaining a nuclear weapon would be to deter the sort of attack that it is undergoing. To repeat Iran is the only country to have been attacked by WMD since WW2. Also to repeat Khamenei (the supreme leader) has been consistently against their development and use, which is probably why there was no attempt to assassinate him as there is no guarantee a successor would have the same view.
If nukes was not their goal, why enrich uranium to 60%? There is no civilian use for 60% HEU.
 
If nukes was not their goal, why enrich uranium to 60%? There is no civilian use for 60% HEU.
To prove they could? As a bargaining chip? To improve their technological capabilities? The fact is that is that all the evidence presented says they didn't even have a functional bomb program let alone being weeks away from building one. All Trump has done is further destabilize the Middle East and increase the risks to US citizens around the world.
 
I thin Trump's air strikes were a terrible mistake, but let's not whitewash the Iranian goverment. it is pretty obvious they are after a Nuclear Weapon.
and Most of the experts I have read disagre with you about how far along Iran is in it's quest.
I have never understood why so many on the Left basically try to carry the water for the Ayatollahs, except it is a :Enemy of my enemy is my fireind kind oof thing.
I'm not white washing Iran. But: "As of 2025, Natanz is enriching uranium up to 60% U-235, a level approaching weapons-grade." (wikipedia) So, 60% is not weapons grade. And there are steps after you get 90%.
 
To prove they could? As a bargaining chip? To improve their technological capabilities? The fact is that is that all the evidence presented says they didn't even have a functional bomb program let alone being weeks away from building one. All Trump has done is further destabilize the Middle East and increase the risks to US citizens around the world.
Surely Iran understands that enrichment to 60% would scare the crap out of the USA and Israel, causing them to consider military action. If they kept enrichment levels to purely civilian numbers, 4%, they would have a damn good argument that their intentions are purely peaceful.
 
I'm not white washing Iran. But: "As of 2025, Natanz is enriching uranium up to 60% U-235, a level approaching weapons-grade." (wikipedia) So, 60% is not weapons grade. And there are steps after you get 90%.
And there is the question of how much of that work was done after Trump tore up the previous deal.
 
Surely Iran understands that enrichment to 60% would scare the crap out of the USA and Israel, causing them to consider military action. If they kept enrichment levels to purely civilian numbers, 4%, they would have a damn good argument that their intentions are purely peaceful.
And they did understand that and signed a deal agreeing not. They stuck to the deal, then Trump unilaterally tore it up giving them no incentive not to enrich it further. And again unless there has been some radical change in the evidence since March they weren't trying to go further and weren't working on a bomb. There was precisely zero threat of an Iranian bomb and so there was zero practical reason for either Israel or the USA to bomb Iran's nuclear sites.
 
Surely Iran understands that enrichment to 60% would scare the crap out of the USA and Israel, causing them to consider military action. If they kept enrichment levels to purely civilian numbers, 4%, they would have a damn good argument that their intentions are purely peaceful.
Israel maybe. But why would it scare the US? Are you afraid of Russia? How about former Soviet Republics? India? Pakistan? China? North Korea?

To prove they could? As a bargaining chip? To improve their technological capabilities? The fact is that is that all the evidence presented says they didn't even have a functional bomb program let alone being weeks away from building one. All Trump has done is further destabilize the Middle East and increase the risks to US citizens around the world.

This.
 
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Sad to say, this is exactly what people like Steve Bannon and crew have advocated for. Make the experience of illegal immigration so horrendous, people will think twice before trying it. Unless, I guess, they're people seeking employment on farms, in meat packing plants or the hospitality industry. Then they get the red carpet treatment.
Dress rehearsals for trumps proposal of migrant fight UFC?
 
Israel maybe. But why would it scare the US? Are you afraid of Russia? How about former Soviet Republics? India? Pakistan? China? North Korea?...
None of those nations are funding and arming religious nutcase militias that have killed thousands of people and call for other nations to be destroyed on a daily basis.

None of the former Soviet republics posess nukes, so you're clearly not very knowledgeable about this subject.
 
None of those nations are funding and arming religious nutcase militias that have killed thousands of people and call for other nations to be destroyed on a daily basis.

None of the former Soviet republics posess nukes, so you're clearly not very knowledgeable about this subject.
Really? Do you believe all the crap you read? Yes, the four former Soviet Republics other than Russia agreed to give up the nuclear weapons they said they had, But how do you know that they all did?

Also, North Korea, Russia, and Pakistan concern me far more than Iran, Regardless of their support of religious nuts. Putin has threatened to use Nuclear weapons multiple times since Russia invaded Ukraine. North Korea has tested ICBMs that can reach the US. Pakistan harbored Osama Bin Laden and had terrorist camps there.
 
You dont? You think a nation that is relatively poor. A nation that yes, most definitely has supported rogue elements that with very little in the way of a nuclear weapons program is of greater concern than Russia? Not a concern because Trump is Putin's bitch maybe?
 
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