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Trump runs for POTUS / Trumped Up! Part III

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Stacko said:
Donald demanded tax returns going back to 2004 as part of his VP vetting process. When is he going to release his?
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According to this, never if he can help it.

For months, Donald Trump has insisted that he would not release his tax returns while under audit ― a position seconded by tax lawyers, though one that the IRS has said is not necessary.

In an interview with Fox News on Wednesday, the presumptive Republican nominee continued to make the argument it was the IRS audit preventing him from disclosing the finite details of his personal finances ― from the tax breaks he took, to the charitable donations he’s made. But in a telling aside, Trump seemed to admit that he wasn’t disclosing his returns because of the political damage he feared they would inflict.
“Mitt Romney didn’t want to give his tax returns” in 2012, Trump said of the previous Republican presidential candidate. “He fought like crazy. Then [Sen.] Harry Reid lied, told a total lie in the Senate, a vicious lie that was untrue. And then Mitt Romney, very, very late, decided to give his tax returns. Now, remember this, I’m under audit. It’s a routine audit. Nobody would do that while they’re under audit and everybody understands that. But let me tell you, he gave those tax returns and they were absolutely fine. He was destroyed. They went through his returns, which were peanuts compared to what I have. You saw the stacks of paper. He gave his returns, and they found little items, little items in those returns that were nothing.”

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Presidential candidates don’t normally acknowledge that they are taking a position in order to avoid tough headlines. But that’s precisely what Trump seemed to be suggesting on Wednesday. Trump did give himself cover by continuing to insist that IRS audits are to blame for his failure to reveal his tax returns. But that seems even less legitimate now.
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Stacko said:
Well,



I have no idea why he thinks that's a good idea but I can see the RNC wanting him far away from anything that would let him communicate with world off a script. We already know the call has been made and Pence said yes.
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Thing is that the RNC can't keep Donald away from speaking to a crowd forever,and it is in front of crowds that Donald tends to go crazy.
 
dudalb said:
Thing is that the RNC can't keep Donald away from speaking to a crowd forever,and it is in front of crowds that Donald tends to go crazy.
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Sweet baby Jebus! This is all happening while he's on Fox unscripted. The incoherent Muslim ban is back baby!
 
Stacko said:
Donald demanded tax returns going back to 2004 as part of his VP vetting process. When is he going to release his?
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I hope never.

I hate Trump, but I don't think Presidential candidates should be required to release tax records, health records, or other normally private information.

I do not think that we, as voters, need to know how much money they made in order to make an informed decision. It's just a game of digging dirt on candidates. Tabloid fodder.
 
Meadmaker said:
I hope never.

I hate Trump, but I don't think Presidential candidates should be required to release tax records, health records, or other normally private information.

I do not think that we, as voters, need to know how much money they made in order to make an informed decision. It's just a game of digging dirt on candidates. Tabloid fodder.
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In Trump's case, it goes to his honesty. He claims he donates a lot to charity. He claims to be a successful businessman. He claims to have 10 billion dollars in assets.

Any other candidate and you might have a case. But in this case when we all suspect he's lying, it does matter. It is relevant to one's vote.

Imagine if all we had to go on were lies candidates claimed about their qualifications and voters had no chance to verify any of the claims made?
 
Meadmaker said:
I hope never.

I hate Trump, but I don't think Presidential candidates should be required to release tax records, health records, or other normally private information.

I do not think that we, as voters, need to know how much money they made in order to make an informed decision. It's just a game of digging dirt on candidates. Tabloid fodder.
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I see your point.
The counter argument is that one of Trump's most fundamental assertions is that handling money in the business world is proof that he can handle money on an federal-budget level. Let's find out.

Also, if he doesn't want to show it, then he should cowboy up and say, "I'm not going to show it" instead of making laughably absurd claims like "I cannot release it while I am being audited."

ETA
beaten by SG.
 
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Meadmaker said:
I hope never.

I hate Trump, but I don't think Presidential candidates should be required to release tax records, health records, or other normally private information.

I do not think that we, as voters, need to know how much money they made in order to make an informed decision. It's just a game of digging dirt on candidates. Tabloid fodder.
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I disagree. It's not how much money they make, it's how they make their money and their investment in the country. I believe that the people have a right to know if a candidate makes 100s of millions and pays 5 percent in taxes and donates little or nothing to charity.

Are they truly vested In the people or is that just something they say?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
In Trump's case, it goes to his honesty. He claims he donates a lot to charity. He claims to be a successful businessman. He claims to have 10 billion dollars in assets.

Any other candidate and you might have a case. But in this case when we all suspect he's lying, it does matter. It is relevant to one's vote.

Imagine if all we had to go on were lies candidates claimed about their qualifications and voters had no chance to verify any of the claims made?
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He's also bragged about making money from Muammar Gaddafi so it'd be nice to know what enemies of human rights he has dealings with.
 
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Stacko said:
He's also bragged about making money from Muammar Gaddafi so it'd be nice to know what enemies of human rights he has dealings with.
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I am really concerned about how fond of Putin he seems to be.....
And don't forget he wants to invite North Korea's Beloved Leader (whatever the hell they are calling the current Sung nowdays ) to the U.S.....
 
dudalb said:
World War with who?
I am in favor of strong action against Islamic Exteremists, but talking about "A World War" is stupid rhetoric that just inflames the situation.
And the RNC hoping of containing Donald on the Muslim issue is going down in flames fast.
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Donald once pledged $250,000 to the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces and got someone else to pay for it.

In 2007, Donald Trump promised a donation to the Friends of the Israel Defense Forces, a U.S.-based charity that provides aid to Israeli military personnel and the families of fallen Israeli soldiers.

He didn't pay, a spokesman for the charity said Thursday.

Instead, another person — whom the charity did not name — paid off Trump's promise, according to Ryan Greiss, the spokesman. Greiss would also not release the amount of Trump's unpaid pledge, citing privacy rules
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The Trump Foundation also donated $25,000 to the charity of Republican convention speaker and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi's election campaign and she choose not to look into Trump University.

Aides to Republican presidential front-runner Donald Trump said this week that his charitable foundation made a mistake when it donated $25,000 to a political committee backing Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi, a potential violation of federal rules prohibiting charities from aiding political candidates.

The Donald J. Trump Foundation compounded the error by not listing its 2013 gift to the pro-Bondi group, And Justice for All, in its filings with the IRS that year, the aides said. The charity listed a $25,000 donation to an unrelated group with a similar name, Justice for All. But that group, a Wichita-based nonprofit, said it never received any money from the foundation.
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dudalb said:
World War with who?
I am in favor of strong action against Islamic Exteremists, but talking about "A World War" is stupid rhetoric that just inflames the situation.
And the RNC hoping of containing Donald on the Muslim issue is going down in flames fast.
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Psst, Trump/O'Reilly is not MacNeil/Lehrer.
 
Regnad Kcin said:
Psst, Trump/O'Reilly is not MacNeil/Lehrer.
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MacNeil/Lehrer are just two novelists these days, but the NewsHour still does its job.

(Heartily recommend both MacNeil and Lehrer's books, especially the latter's One-Eyed Mack series from way back.)
 
phiwum said:
MacNeil/Lehrer are just two novelists these days, but the NewsHour still does its job.

(Heartily recommend both MacNeil and Lehrer's books, especially the latter's One-Eyed Mack series from way back.)
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Let's not forget "The Story Of English".
 
dudalb said:
Good for Tebow, but in the comments section,did you see that individual who claims that Trump is a prophet sent from God????????????????????
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There's also the guy that still thinks he is speaking at the convention in there too.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Any more? Did they ever?

I don't think it's such a bad sign. It suggests Trumpages are simply old news.
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As they say, the best way to deal with a troll is not to feed it... maybe the media finally got the message? Either that or people are so numbed by his demeanor that they don't garnish the ratings like they used to. Admittedly, I think Trump had a good run trolling the media at large, but after a year of this..... eh
 
acbytesla said:
believe that the people have a right to know if a candidate makes 100s of millions and pays 5 percent in taxes and donates little or nothing to charity.
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I doubt it's that high.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-income-tax-returns-once-became-public-they-showed-he-didnt-pay-a-cent/2016/05/20/ffa2f63c-1b7c-11e6-b6e0-c53b7ef63b45_story.html
The last time information from Donald Trump’s income-tax returns was made public, the bottom line was striking: He had paid the federal government $0 in income taxes.
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dudalb said:
Good for Tebow, but in the comments section,did you see that individual who claims that Trump is a prophet sent from God????????????????????
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Trump is sure to lose now. God has an awful record getting his choices elected.

Steve S
 
steve s said:
I doubt it's that high.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-income-tax-returns-once-became-public-they-showed-he-didnt-pay-a-cent/2016/05/20/ffa2f63c-1b7c-11e6-b6e0-c53b7ef63b45_story.html
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I wasn't speaking specifically about Trump but he is the one refusing to provide them.

I don't think you can tell a lot by 1 years taxes but if that is the norm it shows you a lot.

Mark Cuban said (not the first) that the one patriotic thing any citizen can do is pay taxes. And I think it says something about an individual's committment to the nation when they never or almost never paid a fair share.

To others, this may not mean much. But to me, it means attaining the position is motivated out of self interest not any civic duty or desire to serve.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
As they say, the best way to deal with a troll is not to feed it... maybe the media finally got the message? Either that or people are so numbed by his demeanor that they don't garnish the ratings like they used to. Admittedly, I think Trump had a good run trolling the media at large, but after a year of this..... eh
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You give the media too much credit. The only message they've gotten is whacko Trump is old news. He has to do something crazier to get more attention.
 
Gingrich seems to want to out crazy the Trumpet; he's advocating "ideological testing" for US Muslims and mass deportations.
 
Meadmaker said:
Meh. Honesty? Trump?


I wonder what it would take to convince the average Trump or Trump leaning voter that the dude is a con man? Would tax returns do it?
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Nothing.

Because nothing would convince them.

And even if they could be convinced they still wouldn't care. They'd likely see it as a point in his favor.

He could diddle babies, and as long as they weren't white babies the average Trump supporter probably still wouldn't care.
 
Meadmaker said:
I wonder what it would take to convince the average Trump or Trump leaning voter that the dude is a con man? Would tax returns do it?
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quadraginta said:
Nothing.

Because nothing would convince them.

And even if they could be convinced they still wouldn't care. They'd likely see it as a point in his favor.

He could diddle babies, and as long as they weren't white babies the average Trump supporter probably still wouldn't care.
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If one believed that every Muslim is intent on using violence to conquer the US, then why would a history of shady, crooked, or even grossly illegal business transactions make one not vote for the guy who wants to ban the Muslims? In fact if one starts with the premise that all Muslims must be banned, then the guy who is willing to break the law to get what he wants is better than the guy who always follows the law because maybe banning Muslims will require bending or breaking some laws.

Not every Trump supporter views the world in that manner or a somewhat similar manner. So the question then becomes how many fall into the "facts be damned and business history be damned, we must vote for the guy who asserts that he will create a Muslim ban"?

And if that doesn't sound believable, let me throw out another. How many Trump supporters have the attitude, "When it comes to Trump's history of crookedness, it doesn't matter how much evidence you show me because it will never equal the evidence of Clinton's crookedness"?
 
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Ladewig said:
The next deadline is Friday.

I am looking forward to it.
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He's created another deadline for himself with the potential flip flop on Mike Pence since Pence has until noon to withdraw from the governors race and be replaced.
 
Frank Newgent said:
damn elites...

The ACLU’s Constitutional Analysis of the Public Statements and Policy Proposals of Donald Trump:

https://action.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pages/trumpmemos.pdf
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Yeah, sure. Bunch of ivory tower long hair intellectuals. What do they know about the Constitution? Like they're some sort of expert or something. Who are we to believe? The ACLU? Or a guy in a mall in Albuquerque? That's the problem with America. We ask "experts" and don't ask the guy in the street. How are we supposed to Make America Great Again if we follow the Constitution.
 
Frank Newgent said:
damn elites...

The ACLU’s Constitutional Analysis of the Public Statements and Policy Proposals of Donald Trump:

https://action.aclu.org/sites/default/files/pages/trumpmemos.pdf
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The ACLU is elite? I'm guessing that is sarcasm. Great document and spot on. You would think that people after 8 years of Obama's legislative priorities being stopped in their tracks that people would understand that there are checks and balances from the other branches of government.
 
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