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Trump election conspiracy theories - the RETURN

If the 2020 election was stolen, then Donald Trump must be re-installed as President. It’s right there in the US Constitution, between the UFO Clause and the NWO Clause.

I don’t make the rules.
 
Mike! said:
I wonder when the next "this time for sure" Trump reinstatement date will be announced now that the last one came and went with no fanfare.
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Bubba's posting again after his >5 month imposed/voluntary sabbatical, so maybe we'll find out.
 
kookbreaker said:
After two years and who knows how many millions spent Florida Desantis cultists proudly announce they have found …. 20 cases of voter fraud….all of them hard-case felons who registered not know there were exceptions to allowing felons to vote.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...on-police-unit-announces-20-voter-fraud-cases
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Desantis’ big win is turning into a bust as it turns out election officials thought these people could legitimately vote. So his little SWAT raids were not on die-hard cheats but on people who were entrapped by Desantis’ Byzantine election rules.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...raud-election-police-desantis-entrapment.html
 
kookbreaker said:
Desantis’ big win is turning into a bust as it turns out election officials thought these people could legitimately vote. So his little SWAT raids were not on die-hard cheats but on people who were entrapped by Desantis’ Byzantine election rules.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...raud-election-police-desantis-entrapment.html
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Then they should counter-sue for criminal entrapment. Times 20. Which is what it is, and DeSantis is responsible. And I expect that's a much more serious crime than unintentionally voting-while-unregistered.
 
I can't keep track of where the D'Souza crap goes anymore.

A publisher abruptly recalled the "2,000 Mules" election denial book. NPR got a copy. (npr.org)
The film's allegations were often vague, and largely based on data that have not been made public. As a result, some elements of the film were difficult, if not impossible, to fully fact-check. The book adds new details, however, which NPR has been able to scrutinize.

NPR contacted organizations named in the book for comment about some of D'Souza's written claims. They referred to passages in the book as "malarkey," "inaccurate," and "trash."

One group, whose data are cited in the book, said it would request a correction. Another raised the possibility of legal action.
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That's what you get when you lie for a living: legal action.
 
I'm interested to see how the reportage issue survives legal scrutiny. Various defendants such as Fox News are trying to escape liability for defamation by saying, in effect, "We were just reporting the newsworthy claims being made by newsworthy people, without commenting on the truth or falsity of them." What role does amplifying those claims to reach an audience of millions play in defamation? How does one's choice of guests create a responsibility? Does any news organization have a responsibility for the claims made by its sources?
 
JayUtah said:
I'm interested to see how the reportage issue survives legal scrutiny. Various defendants such as Fox News are trying to escape liability for defamation by saying, in effect, "We were just reporting the newsworthy claims being made by newsworthy people, without commenting on the truth or falsity of them." What role does amplifying those claims to reach an audience of millions play in defamation? How does one's choice of guests create a responsibility? Does any news organization have a responsibility for the claims made by its sources?
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I think they have a responsibility to vet the items they report, and that further to this, they're responsible for the level and kind of focus they provide. It's one thing to say, "Trump claims he won the 2020 election" with a wry smile, and another to say "Trump claims he won the 2020 election, and here's a round-table discussion with our panel of experts describing exactly how the massive voter fraud could have happened".
 
These are being distributed at Trump rallies.

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Jesus H Christ! The author of that book seems to seriously believe that Trump is the second coming, or some such.
A snippet:
During the presidency of President Donald Trump, it became evident to me that the prophecies about the Son of Man, as predicted by Jesus in the Bible were, to a significant extent, fulfilled at the hands of Mr Trump. The Bible speaks about two different Christs-or Messiahs. Jesus, the Son of God is the one Christ, whereas the Son of Man is the other. Jesus always referred to the Son of Man in the third person.
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Knowing what we do about human nature, it's appropriate to use Donnie as a representative of certain things.

I at first said "as a sort of representative," but then I cleaned up my language.
 
I bring this thread back from the dead. The Dominian lawsuit is yielding lunacy beyond the pale. This one takes the cake:

https://www.businessinsider.com/sid...aims-headless-time-travel-dominion-fox-2023-2

Trump-allied lawyer Sidney Powell sent Fox an email full of wild claims from a woman claiming to be a decapitated time-traveler, according to a recent court filing.

Excerpts of the message formed part of a filing from Dominion Voting Systems released on Thursday in its defamation case against Fox.

Dominion said that Powell forwarded the email to Fox personality Maria Bartiromo in November 2020, and informed Bartiromo that she'd received "evidence" about voter fraud.

This was before Powell appeared on the November 8, 2020, edition of Bartiromo's Fox Business show, "Sunday Morning Futures."

The lawyers for Dominion did not name the writer of the email, which had the subject "Election Fraud Info."

But they included excerpts in which the source claimed Dominion was to blame for election irregularities, and also described herself as "internally decapitated."

One particularly odd section deals with how the source claims to have gotten her information. It says:

"Who am I? And how do I know all of this?...I've had the strangest dreams since I was a little girl....I was internally decapitated, and yet, I live....The Wind tells me I'm a ghost, but I don't believe it."

At another point she described herself as being able to "time-travel in a semi-conscious state."

The evidence is meant to support Dominion's allegation that Fox and its executives knew the claims its hosts and guests were making about the election were false, but let them push unsubstantiated information anyway. The company is alleging that Fox defamed Dominion in its reporting, and is seeking $1.6 billion in damages.
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Yes, it's hilarious, until you realize this motivated morons to storm the capitol in D.C.
 
Axxman300 said:
I bring this thread back from the dead. The Dominian lawsuit is yielding lunacy beyond the pale. This one takes the cake:

https://www.businessinsider.com/sid...aims-headless-time-travel-dominion-fox-2023-2



Yes, it's hilarious, until you realize this motivated morons to storm the capitol in D.C.
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Furthermore, Carlson, Hannity and Ingraham are on record in their own text messages, that they KNEW the election fraud claims were BS, but they went ahead and broadcast that BS anyway.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2...ud-tucker-carlson-sean-hannity-laura-ingraham

We now know that they knowingly broadcast lies and defamatory misinformation - and that is pretty much game-over for any possible defense against the Dominion law suit...

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Aridas said:
And... then there's this.

Arizona AG spent 10,000 hours investigating election fraud, found none, but lied about it
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It says in that report that Donny was informed by his team that his election conspiracy theories were false. I don't think so. Who in that team of forelock-tugging grovelling yes-men was ever going to be brave enough to tell The Donster that his "truths" were actually 100% stinkin' lies? Nobody, I bet. Which is why he keeps on repeating them and looking even more stupid every time he does.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Which is why he keeps on repeating them and looking even more stupid every time he does.
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Pretty sure that you're being unreasonably generous here. Truth or lie doesn't matter much to Trump, by the look of it. What he thinks will gain him some advantage does. That's been seen over and over and over and is really why he's such an untrustworthy source of information.

Beyond that, though -

Trump's election fraud claims were false. Here are his advisers who said so.

Several aides to the former president also said they tried to tell Trump he had lost.
 
Aridas said:
Pretty sure that you're being unreasonably generous here. Truth or lie doesn't matter much to Trump, by the look of it. What he thinks will gain him some advantage does. That's been seen over and over and over and is really why he's such an untrustworthy source of information.
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Totally agree. Plus he's a tough nut to crack when he gets any stupid idea in his head too.

Beyond that, though -

Trump's election fraud claims were false. Here are his advisers who said so.

Several aides to the former president also said they tried to tell Trump he had lost.
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Well... Reading that, it looks more like a list of close Trump associates who were convinced themselves that he had lost but failed to fully impress on Trump that was the case.

For a couple of them, they may not have actually told Donny at all, it was just assumed they did due to proximity. Kushner, Mac-e-ninny...

Those that were known to have "advised" him left the door open to "being wrong". Trump had excuses at the ready.

They also had not only Donny's intransigence towards "losing" in any form but also insane lick-spittle maniac brown-tongues like Navarro and Giuliani to contend with who continued to supply him with "reasons" why these other associates were wrong. So they had to convince not just Trump but his attendant insane asylum. Probably impossible.

In short, everyone grovelled to some extent. It appears nobody told him directly to his face he had 100% lost and there was zero chance of avoiding that outcome even with illegal tactics. So suck it up and (try to) act like a statesman and not a spoiled little brat.
 
Most recent polls show that Trump is dropping in the GOP race for 2024. Meltdown on it's way.
 
dudalb said:
Most recent polls show that Trump is dropping in the GOP race for 2024. Meltdown on it's way.
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He has to make every measure to stay in the game especially if he isn't nomiinated. It's the inevitable attacks on the R side he will make to split the trumplicans from the others that will hurt most.
The costs of any independent running against the established two are enormous. Donations will be squandered before he get them as his fanbois lose voting rights for Jan6 conviction.
Will he surrender before spending whatever paltry sum he still has of his own?
 
This might be of some note -

Rupert Murdoch acknowledged in his deposition that numerous Fox hosts had "endorsed at times this false notion of a stolen election."

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Rupert Murdoch gave Trump son-in-law/aide Jared Kushner access to "Fox confidential information about Biden's ads," apparently showing them to him before they were public.

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Here we are, I've been waiting for this -- Fox's internal research department "fact-checked the allegations and debunked the charges" against Dominion, but Fox kept airing them.

Fox subsequently canned the "Brain Room" members.

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Here's Rupert Murdoch asking Suzanne Scott to have Sean Hannity say something nice about Lindsey Graham because "We cannot lose the Senate if at all possible."

We?
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