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Trump Assassination Attempt Conspiracy Theories

Norman Alexander said:
No evidence of that has been found of any ricochet or shrapnel. The glass teleprompters were intact.

But there are other more reasonable choices than the two you gave: Trump heard the shots and smacked himself in his own ear hard enough to bleed a tiny bit; or he hurt his ear against the floor in the scrummage; or he hit the deck and one of the SS in the scrummage hurt his ear either accidentally or deliberately.
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Oh, yeah, those are much more parsimonious explanations of what must have happened. Particularly the one where the agent hurt Trump's ear deliberately.
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Norman Alexander said:
To make their hero look like a hero. Spill a few drops of blood on his face, then let him shake his fist to look "brave".
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Explain to me how they worked the "spill a few drops of blood on his face," scheme. How did they know that drops of blood would be needed?
 
Norman Alexander said:
No evidence of that has been found of any ricochet or shrapnel. The glass teleprompters were intact.

But there are other more reasonable choices than the two you gave: Trump heard the shots and smacked himself in his own ear hard enough to bleed a tiny bit; or he hurt his ear against the floor in the scrummage; or he hit the deck and one of the SS in the scrummage hurt his ear either accidentally or deliberately.
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I don;t think Donnie can think that fast.
 
I really think that the most parsimonious and most likely explanation is that an actual person took an actual shot at him and what we saw is what happened. And with any luck the momentary boost in sympathetic support will soon be counteracted by his intransigent imbecility.
 
bruto said:
I really think that the most parsimonious and most likely explanation is that an actual person took an actual shot at him and what we saw is what happened. And with any luck the momentary boost in sympathetic support will soon be counteracted by his intransigent imbecility.
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Brainster said:
Boy, a whole lot of people not using Occam's razor here. Which is more likely: that a shooter aimed at Trump and missed but hit something else that hit Trump in the ear, or that he aimed at Trump and grazed him?
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Both equally likely, since he wasn't a good shot. Those .223 bullets are designed to tear up human flesh. It might have been the slightest graze or a piece of debris from something else.

Either way, there is no doubt that the intention was to kill Trump and Trump was close to being killed.
 
Brainster said:
Explain to me how they worked the "spill a few drops of blood on his face," scheme. How did they know that drops of blood would be needed?
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A little bit of fake blood, like in the movies, maybe. Only a few drops would be necessary to give the running-down-his-face drips effect. Note that there was no blood seen until AFTER Trumpy stood up after being scrummed by the SS. Really, it looked like one of those WWF blood-stained wrestler hero moments, a subject Donny is familiar with. Funny also how his grievous bullet-wound has healed up in a few days... ;)

Then the SS let him stand up and do the Rocky fist-pump thing, even though the proper move would be to protect him completely from any further possible shots. Sort of makes it look like that was the pay-off of the scene...

How did they know it would be needed? It was a set-up to make Trumpy look brave and to gather news attention and clicks! And to pump up the crowd. That some poor guy got killed and others injured means nothing to Trump. He doesn't care about collateral damage.

Btw, have you read the thread title? This IS the conspiracy theories section of the forum! Conspiracy theories need no proof to be true. ;)
 
Norman Alexander said:
To make their hero look like a hero. Spill a few drops of blood on his face, then let him shake his fist to look "brave".
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Sure. That's a natural hypothesis for a skeptic. The Secret Service detail helped fake an assassination that involved real bullets being fired and the killing of the shooter, so that they could aid in Trump's campaign.

I think you're really onto something.
 
So, maybe this has been addressed but...why does it matter how Trump's ear was injured? Someone still shot at him right? Does it actually change anything if someone shoots at you and you are barely injured or not injured at all or injured by broken glass or your body guard elbowing you in the face?

I mean, he was still shot at either way. Unless you buy into the version where the Secret Service(lets not use the SS abbreviation please) helped him fake an injury or even set the whole thing up, I don't see why it matters exactly how he was injured.

ETA: I'd love to see some polling on how many people actually think there was some sort of conspiracy around this. I've heard that the fake injury thing has been catching on among some folks but I don't see any actually evidence of it. Same for the belief that the secret service or other agencies helped facilitate the attempt.
 
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Of course, it matters!
Every little detail can be used to fabricate a new conspiracy theory or at least a variation of one of the new ones.

The fake injury idea was the Democrat favourite very early on. It lost its appeal when the wanna-be assassin turned out to be a Republican. The SS (I like that acronym!) conspiracy idea was Republican. The MAGA fans still seem to like and elaborate on that one.
 
Norman Alexander said:
A little bit of fake blood, like in the movies, maybe. Only a few drops would be necessary to give the running-down-his-face drips effect. Note that there was no blood seen until AFTER Trumpy stood up after being scrummed by the SS. Really, it looked like one of those WWF blood-stained wrestler hero moments, a subject Donny is familiar with. Funny also how his grievous bullet-wound has healed up in a few days... ;)

Then the SS let him stand up and do the Rocky fist-pump thing, even though the proper move would be to protect him completely from any further possible shots. Sort of makes it look like that was the pay-off of the scene...

How did they know it would be needed? It was a set-up to make Trumpy look brave and to gather news attention and clicks! And to pump up the crowd. That some poor guy got killed and others injured means nothing to Trump. He doesn't care about collateral damage.

Btw, have you read the thread title? This IS the conspiracy theories section of the forum! Conspiracy theories need no proof to be true. ;)
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It's not a humor sub-forum, and the critical thinkers in the 9-11 CT subforum don't sit around talking about how fire can't melt steel; that's for the conspiracy nutters.
 
Brainster said:
It's not a humor sub-forum, and the critical thinkers in the 9-11 CT subforum don't sit around talking about how fire can't melt steel; that's for the conspiracy nutters.
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I'm not laughing, really. What I outlined is plausible and not unreasonable. So did it happen that way? Dunno. But if it did sort of go down like that, what does it mean?
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Okay, here is the proof: there was no assassination attempt:
.https://www.theverge.com/2024/7/30/24210108/meta-trump-shooting-ai-hallucinations
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I have seen it several times in AI-generated articles about the 'Havana syndrome': AIs have a hard time coping with themes when there's no real consensus.
They may claim that the 'syndrome' is caused by sonic weapons, insecticide, microwaves and mass psychogenic illness.
Actual journalists may claim that the cause is just one of those things or write that some people think one thing and others think something else.
AIs don't like to pick just one, so they tend to choose 'all of the above'. It's a little like when they give people too many arms or fingers.
 
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dudalb said:
I don;t think Donnie can think that fast.
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He doesn't have to think particularly fast. The one thing that is on his mind all the time is: How does it make me look? As soon as the danger was gone, he took advantage of the opportunity to pose with his fist in the air.
The MAGA nuts who claim that it was an act of courage deny that the shooter had been eliminated at that point.
When it was clear that shooter's death had been reported, they say, 'But you never know if there might been more than one shooter'.
To that, I can only say: If that were the case, Trump didn't seem to be concerned about jeopardizing the lives and health of all those SS people surrounding him, trying to protect him with their bodies.
 
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ahhell said:
So, maybe this has been addressed but...why does it matter how Trump's ear was injured? Someone still shot at him right? Does it actually change anything if someone shoots at you and you are barely injured or not injured at all or injured by broken glass or your body guard elbowing you in the face?

I mean, he was still shot at either way. Unless you buy into the version where the Secret Service(lets not use the SS abbreviation please) helped him fake an injury or even set the whole thing up, I don't see why it matters exactly how he was injured.

ETA: I'd love to see some polling on how many people actually think there was some sort of conspiracy around this. I've heard that the fake injury thing has been catching on among some folks but I don't see any actually evidence of it. Same for the belief that the secret service or other agencies helped facilitate the attempt.
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In terms of the danger the shooter posed, it doesn't matter. If, however, Trump was not hit by a bullet and he knows he wasn't, though he says he was, that tells you a little bit about Trump. Not much new, however.

I doubted the account by Ronnie Jackson, just because he wasn't the attending physician. It seemed suspicious. When Wray suggested that Trump might have been hit by something other than a bullet, I doubted a little bit more. But when the FBI confirmed that he was hit by a bullet, I don't have much reason to doubt any more.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I'm not laughing, really. What I outlined is plausible and not unreasonable. So did it happen that way? Dunno. But if it did sort of go down like that, what does it mean?
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The Secret Service carries blood pellets and fakes an injury to their protectee? That's plausible? Do they always have these pellets just in case, or did they know there would be a shooter? Was it a shooter on their team or did they just let an assassin take his shot figuring he would miss? If it was a guy on their team, did they kill that guy or was the killing also faked?

You have a funny notion of plausibility.
 
phiwum said:
The Secret Service carries blood pellets and fakes an injury to their protectee? That's plausible? Do they always have these pellets just in case, or did they know there would be a shooter? Was it a shooter on their team or did they just let an assassin take his shot figuring he would miss? If it was a guy on their team, did they kill that guy or was the killing also faked?

You have a funny notion of plausibility.
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They had him in their sights, literally, for over 20 minutes. They knew where he was aiming. And they let him shoot first. Even I, with zero gun skills, could have hit a fat-arse target like Trump with at least one shot from an AR-15 burst from 150 yards.

The SS didn't have to be carrying blood pellets. They could have just scratched his ear in the scrummage, deliberately or not. But then again, if they were looking to fake an injury, they could have. Plenty of time in the scrummage to slap one on the Orange blob.
 
I've really gotta ask, for the "fake shooting" what's in it for the shooter?

"Hey, we'll pay you a butt-ton of money to take a shot at the president and miss. We pinky promise you won't get shot or disappeared."

Someone hired to ACTUALLY take out the President may be dedicated enough to the killing that they'd be willing to risk death to get it done. The right incentive is really hard to figure for someone whose job is to miss... and kill someone else, in fact!

For what? So the President gets a temporary bump in the polls? That worked out well.

Someone tell me why anyone would agree to this?
 
gnome said:
I've really gotta ask, for the "fake shooting" what's in it for the shooter?

"Hey, we'll pay you a butt-ton of money to take a shot at the president and miss. We pinky promise you won't get shot or disappeared."

Someone hired to ACTUALLY take out the President may be dedicated enough to the killing that they'd be willing to risk death to get it done. The right incentive is really hard to figure for someone whose job is to miss... and kill someone else, in fact!

For what? So the President gets a temporary bump in the polls? That worked out well.

Someone tell me why anyone would agree to this?
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Well, just to role-play the conspiracy nut for a moment, Trump loyalists are pretty crazy. If you're looking for a pool of patently crazy people to embark on a ridiculous plan that's almost certain to go wrong, there they are.
 
Norman Alexander said:
I'm not laughing, really. What I outlined is plausible and not unreasonable. So did it happen that way? Dunno. But if it did sort of go down like that, what does it mean?
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If you think it's plausible and not unreasonable, why post it here? There are certainly plenty of posts in the "Shot in PA" thread that cover the same ground. Again, I think you're confusing the purpose of this subforum, but maybe that's just me.
 
If he had aimed for the ass, he would have had a much bigger target. Not a lethal shot, but the potential for infection from the diaper would have been phenomenal.

(Note: this is not a suggestion. Just snark.)
 
Norman Alexander said:
They had him in their sights, literally, for over 20 minutes. They knew where he was aiming. And they let him shoot first. Even I, with zero gun skills, could have hit a fat-arse target like Trump with at least one shot from an AR-15 burst from 150 yards.

The SS didn't have to be carrying blood pellets. They could have just scratched his ear in the scrummage, deliberately or not. But then again, if they were looking to fake an injury, they could have. Plenty of time in the scrummage to slap one on the Orange blob.
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Ah, so they let the guy shoot, hoping he would miss and they could paint Trump as heroic.

No, that's a great theory. What could go wrong with that plan?

Wait, if you could hit Trump easily enough, then why didn't the shooter? Was he supposed to miss? Did they promise that no, really, we won't shoot you, Scout's honor!

(NOTE: I don't think he fired a burst and I don't know that his gun was capable of firing a burst.)
 
Norman Alexander said:
They had him in their sights, literally, for over 20 minutes. They knew where he was aiming. And they let him shoot first. Even I, with zero gun skills, could have hit a fat-arse target like Trump with at least one shot from an AR-15 burst from 150 yards.
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Two things, they did not know he had a gun until he started shooting. And, 150 yards (basically a football field from end zone to end zone and a bit more) is not an easy shot, even with a weapon with a scope (not sure if his had a scope or not). A very experiences and trained sniper could easily make the shot (and would aim for central body mass, not the head), but it would be very difficult for an amateur with a lot of practice and no training and nearly impossible for someone with "zero gun skills."

I have no doubt that he was hit by a bullet in the ear, and it really doesn't matter if it was bullet or shrapnel, it was an assassination attempt and he was injured and survived.
 
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CarbShark said:
Two things, they did not know he had a gun until he started shooting. And, 150 yards (basically a football field from end zone to end zone and a bit more) is not an easy shot, even with a weapon with a scope (not sure if his had a scope or not). A very experiences and trained sniper could easily make the shot (and would aim for central body mass, not the head), but it would be very difficult for an amateur with a lot of practice and no training and nearly impossible for someone with "zero gun skills."

I have no doubt that he was hit by a bullet in the ear, and it really doesn't matter if it was bullet or shrapnel, it was an assassination attempt and he was injured and survived.
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You can't graduate Army basic training without being able to hit a human torso and head target at 150 yards with iron sites. There are timed targets on the pop-up range at 150 meters and 200 meters. You mathematically can't pass the course of fire without hitting some of the 200 meter pop-ups OR the further targets.

That's a shot every Fobit in the Army could make.

A CNS shot using optics at 150 yards is nothing. That's not even something you'd need sniper training for.
 
Craig4 said:
You can't graduate Army basic training without being able to hit a human torso and head target at 150 yards with iron sites. There are timed targets on the pop-up range at 150 meters and 200 meters. You mathematically can't pass the course of fire without hitting some of the 200 meter pop-ups OR the further targets.

That's a shot every Fobit in the Army could make.

A CNS shot using optics at 150 yards is nothing. That's not even something you'd need sniper training for.
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What do you infer from this? Clearly, it was a shot he was capable of making, because he missed only by centimeters and luck. So what does that mean for understanding what happened?
 
Had he aimed for the center mass (torso), rather than the head, it probably would have been lethal. A trained sniper would not have aimed for the head. Trump was lucky.
 
phiwum said:
Ah, so they let the guy shoot, hoping he would miss and they could paint Trump as heroic.
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Not hoping, knowing.

No, that's a great theory. What could go wrong with that plan?
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Someone else could get shot. And they were.

Wait, if you could hit Trump easily enough, then why didn't the shooter? Was he supposed to miss? Did they promise that no, really, we won't shoot you, Scout's honor!
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We will never know.

(NOTE: I don't think he fired a burst and I don't know that his gun was capable of firing a burst.)
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He managed to fire at least three shots rapidly. That is a burst. Could have been more, as there were quite a few shots fired that day. Reported it was a semi-auto AR-15.
 
gnome said:
What do you infer from this? Clearly, it was a shot he was capable of making, because he missed only by centimeters and luck. So what does that mean for understanding what happened?
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I was responding to CarbShark.

In the context of a conspiracy theory, a shooter incapable of making such an easy shot would probably argue against this being some kind of US or third government backed assassination attempt.
 
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CarbShark said:
Had he aimed for the center mass (torso), rather than the head, it probably would have been lethal. A trained sniper would not have aimed for the head. Trump was lucky.
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That's nonsense. Off the top of my head, I can remember several drills where you shoot for the head. Most of the simulations in FATS have head shot scenarios (long gun, handgun and mixed). Combat Catholic drills are common place throughout both law enforcement and military training (two to the chest one to the head).
 
Craig4 said:
I was responding to CarbShark.

In the context of a conspiracy theory, a shooter incapable of making such an easy shot would probably argue against this being some kind of US or third government backed assassination attempt.
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Or it was a deliberate near miss. Far easier to miss a target deliberately than hit it. Even i can do that!
 
Norman Alexander said:
Wait, if you could hit Trump easily enough, then why didn't the shooter? Was he supposed to miss? Did they promise that no, really, we won't shoot you, Scout's honor!
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We will never know.
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Convenient to build a case with an difficult to believe motive and just shrug it off. That's about the point of the argument where someone demonstrates that a claim doesn't make sense, and the other person says, "Why does everything have to make sense?"

That's pretty much admitting to losing the argument.
 
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