Louden Wilde
Critical Thinker
I am not. What I have been saying from the very beginning is that I am trying to find a way to reasonably accommodate everyone, because I kind of like people and sympathize with the little guy/gal getting bullied for being different. The problem arises when the anti-trans side goes to extremes in order to represent the everyday, and it's true, the extremes have to be dealt with, which is the interesting and difficult part of this discussion. But the anti-trans side doesn't want to deal with the 99+% part, which is fairly benign and mostly the status quo anyway. They want to pretend Bryson is the norm, and start/end argumentation from there. Would it not make more sense to figure out how to maintain the staus quo, and focus on closing the loopholes for predators? I don't think that's as impossible as the anti-transers make it out to be.
I get that concern. But It's notable that when we (society) tried to end gay-bashing, we didn't try to use women as a shield - rather we tried to increase acceptance. 30 + years ago, of course, what we thought of as trans pretty much were gay men (some of whom have been retroactively "transed" - e.g. Marsha P. Johnson). I think there's a fair amount of folks who still think that way - not realizing that the heterosexual males who cross-dressed for sexual excitement now fall under the "trans-umbrella" (which d4m10n linked to upthread). It does seem that the recent increase in TW (at least among males >30) seem to be of the latter variety. Several years ago the Biden admin had a White House roundtable for Lesbian Visibility Day - at least 2 of the limited number of participants were male (Charles/Charlotte Clymer & Rachel Levine).
When it comes to acceptance - it's going to be quite different (from gay men), particularly due to the trans-activists claims. As I mentioned a couple pages ago, TW are never going to be accepted as a subset of women - that's not feasible (nor is there good support for the "born in the wrong body" hypothesis) There are plenty of folks who are anti-trans as a movement, but not as people.
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