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[Split Thread] Trans ideology causes school shootings

Dr.Sid said:
I don't know, makes sense to me. If we want to prevent it in the future, of course we need to talk about triggers, not about the victims.

Anyway. I think school shootings are a meme (in its original sense). A fashion, if you will. The fact, that some group identifies with it more is IMHO natural. Trans are also perfect target for the meme .. disturbed, depressed, typically bullied. Once they learn school shootings is what trans kids do now, they might identify with it as well.
Media embargo in age of social networks is sadly impossible. Making guns unavailable to possible shooters won't happen any time soon either. Also in this type of act, ie. determined user, inspired by previous event .. other means of violence, like arson, might also become popular.
On the other hand, if it is becoming a problem of mostly one relatively small group, it should be easier to focus psychological help on that group. But then trans usually have tons of that already.
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Or trans is manufactured where children are forlorn and idle.
 
Samson said:
I am here.
The killer is a construct that Trausti correctly states is brand new.
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What, people hating trans is a new construct? Hate to break it to you, but that notion is older than you think. Roman emperor Elagabalus was, well, probably not the modern idea of "trans", but very close, and probably the first well documented case of gender dysphoria. He actually is recorded as wishing that what we now call gender reassignment surgery was a thing. And it may have played a role in why he was hated more than some of the actually tyrannical emperors, and why he ended up assassinated. (By the same grandmother Julia Maesa who had put him into power in the first place.)
 
HansMustermann said:
What, people hating trans is a new construct? Hate to break it to you, but that notion is older than you think. Roman emperor Elagabalus was, well, probably not the modern idea of "trans", but very close, and probably the first well documented case of gender dysphoria. He actually is recorded as wishing that what we now call gender reassignment surgery was a thing. And it may have played a role in why he was hated more than some of the actually tyrannical emperors, and why he ended up assassinated. (By the same grandmother Julia Maesa who had put him into power in the first place.)
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To be crystal clear
Women and children are reclaiming their status in your community.
 
HansMustermann said:
What, people hating trans is a new construct? Hate to break it to you, but that notion is older than you think. Roman emperor Elagabalus was, well, probably not the modern idea of "trans", but very close, and probably the first well documented case of gender dysphoria. He actually is recorded as wishing that what we now call gender reassignment surgery was a thing. And it may have played a role in why he was hated more than some of the actually tyrannical emperors, and why he ended up assassinated. (By the same grandmother Julia Maesa who had put him into power in the first place.)
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I will examine your post, it looks interesting.
 
Samson said:
My brother was an autogynephile.
His girl friend discovered him dressed in her clothing
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Unbelievable. Yet again you ignore the points raised against you and just spout more transphobic gibberish.

You genuinely don't understand what I'm saying do you?
 
Samson said:
Trans kids were not any part of your schooling.
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Neither were bairns with eating disorders, ADHD, ASD, psychoses, gay bairns, depressed bairns (well, looking back I was but in those days it wasn't A Thing, so I couldn't have been...), asthmatic bairns...You name it and, apparently, we did not have them, but we did have kids who couldn't run, weird, lonely kids, kids who couldn't sit still and concentrate, kids who had single fixed interests and wouldn't talk about anything else, the girl who just didn't come into school for most of one year and came back looking very thin. None of the diagnoses though, so, obviously, they could not have existed, eh?

Anyway, how, exactly, do we get from "trans" anything to shooting up a school with an AR-15?

I'll even quote some more Leonard Cohen lyrics for you. What do you want? Tower of Song? First We Take Manhattan? Chelsea Hotel? Do You Want It Darker? I'm Your Man?
 
Samson said:
I am suggesting that the trans cult driven into schools by Obama/Biden/Harris should be banned at every level of education.
This is not controversial in polling amongst the proletariat/plebescite in Western countries.
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It's not even a blip on the radar in the Netherlands.

And strangely enough just accepting trans people and allowing it a to be a personal choice with professional psychological guidance did not lead to an increase, or even a start, of school shootings.

It's almost as if there is some other factor that leads to more school shootings....
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
It's not even a blip on the radar in the Netherlands.

And strangely enough just accepting trans people and allowing it a to be a personal choice with professional psychological guidance did not lead to an increase, or even a start, of school shootings.

It's almost as if there is some other factor that leads to more school shootings....
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Odd, isn't it?

No school shootings here either.

It does make you wonder if there are some other differences between the UK and the Netherlands and the USA. I mean, I've met some of your fellow country folk who can quote Leonard Cohen lyrics, so it can't even be that.
 
But for full disclosure sake, and it's actually kinda on topic for a change, but I mentioned many times before, I actually was someone who got transed by my grandma, so to speak, before that was even mainstream. Grandma wanted a granddaughter. Mom wanted a son. They both, heh, got their wish at my expense. I spent about half of my childhood being a girl when I was with grandma (who was really my main caretaker) and a boy when mom was around. I could and did flip genders on a coin drop, as soon as someone told me what to flip to. Well, until I was about 14 and it became kinda unfeasible to pass me off as a girl anymore. (And then it got worse. Let's not go there.)

Most of the time I didn't even understand WTH either really meant. TBH I liked being a girl more because it got me more attention. Plus, hey, grandma loved me more as a girl. I'd switch to being the girliest girl with golden curls in half a second flat for the attention of grandma and her friends :p

I later did stuff like cross-dress after that for lulz and shock value. And I still don't really even have a "gender identity" as such, since I grew up being whatever gender someone else told me to be. I liked it when grandma put me into a pink dress and showed me to her friends as her granddaughter, but that was literally the extent to which a 5 year old even understood what that was even about.

I never really thought about myself as a man, woman, or tentacled monster from Sirius. It's not even a part of my identity, much less a core part. I'm just ME. Defined by my memories, achievements, etc, not by my wearing pants or a skirt.

That was LONG before it was mainstream in the USA, btw.

Evil? Sure, granny was the most evil woman I ever knew, even before getting into her messing up a toddler's head.

BUT... would that justify someone shooting me or my classmates over that? Ehh, I like to think not.
 
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Racists ********* are present in any country, here in Australia after the Christchurch shootings (which led to NZ adopting the same (higher) standards as us Aussies on gun control), there was an Australian politician (sadly from my state, which has an uncomfortably high number of racists, sov cits, antivaxers and the like in the rural communities), who had the hide to blame the VICTIMS of the massacre there for instigating the massacre!!!

Fraser Anning (is that Sampson IRL lol???) coped a huge public backlash after his racist comments after the massacre- oh, and an egg to the noggin lol

Go Egg Boy!!!

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Anning is a right piece of work, regularly in trouble over racist comments...
The one in question was this (issued on Parliamentary letterhead no less)
“left-wing politicians and media” would blame gun laws and nationalist views, but “the real cause of bloodshed on New Zealand streets today is the immigration program which allowed Muslim fanatics to migrate to New Zealand in the first place.”
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Blaming the victims for 'causing' the attack,just by being there...


(Hey Sampson- you SURE you aren't a certain politician in disguise???)
 
erwinl said:
Very simple.
Somebody shoots up a school and the only thing you go on about is what apparently has triggered the shooter and that said trigger should be removed (from school), with nary a single word about the victims themselves.

That can only mean one thing and one thing only. You support the action of the anti-trans shooter.
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Samson said:
Yes of course, everything about the case is great.
The body count is OK but could be better in pursuit of lowering human biomass.
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What. The.

:eek: :confused:
 
Samson said:
I am suggesting that the trans cult driven into schools by Obama/Biden/Harris should be banned at every level of education.
This is not controversial in polling amongst the proletariat/plebescite in Western countries.
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:rolleyes:
Yes we all know what you're saying. It's noxious, bigoted, transphobic rubbish.

Also you still haven't learned what 'plebescite' [sic] means.
 
HansMustermann said:
Wait, wait... this is getting even more disconnected. Now not only it's that some guy who wasn't trans, shooting some kids who also weren't, it's even the state that becomes a red herring. As in, what, because (in your mind) it's a problem in liberal California, he shot some kids in mostly conservative Georgia? :p
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Desperate, incoherent, flailing is a common symptom of conspiratorial bigotry,
 
I dunno, from my limited experience, I'd say most conspiracy theorists can articulate their 'theory' better than our friend Samson. I mean, it will still be unsound, but most can put at least a semblance of logic. Here what we have is more of a case of

Roses are red
Violets are blue
Therefore penguins are evil :p
 
catsmate said:
Desperate, incoherent, flailing is a common symptom of conspiratorial bigotry,
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Some people will resort to the most irrelevant arguments and insane ideas to avoid facing our real problem. We're awash with guns and children have easy access. You can tell your interlocutor is a moral coward when they focus on what random topic the school shooter was angry about. We'll never eliminate the things that anger and frustrate kids. We could if we really wanted to, make it a lot harder for kids to get a hold of guns and didn't allow people to buy certain guns at all.
 
Samson said:
Yes of course, everything about the case is great.
The body count is OK but could be better in pursuit of lowering human biomass.
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I will say in a tentative defence of samson I think this post was sarcasm.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
I will say in a tentative defence of samson I think this post was sarcasm.
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Sarcasm is the tool of the eloquent, or at least moderately readable. When you ramble, are constantly incoherent, and do the message equivalent of muttering under your breath you would be an idiot to try and use sarcasm.

A monkey at the keyboard would have made better use of sarcasm than Samsom.
 
kookbreaker said:
Sarcasm is the tool of the eloquent, or at least moderately readable. When you ramble, are constantly incoherent, and do the message equivalent of muttering under your breath you would be an idiot to try and use sarcasm.

A monkey at the keyboard would have made better use of sarcasm than Samsom.
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I don't disagree but given he previously did say he think school shootings are bad it was sarcasm, however unclear.
 
kookbreaker said:
Sarcasm is the tool of the eloquent, or at least moderately readable. When you ramble, are constantly incoherent, and do the message equivalent of muttering under your breath you would be an idiot to try and use sarcasm.

A monkey at the keyboard would have made better use of sarcasm than Samsom.
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You say that, but I think it's quite an achievement to write an AI chatbot for the ZX81. Although a little blob of Blutack on the RAM Pack might help.
 
Mark V Shaney ran just fine on early 80's computers, and it did a perfectly fine job of passing for a schizophrenic human. Maybe not on a ZX-81, but even then most of the problem was memory for the tree, and SOME kind of network connection to be fed the the texts it trained on. (Unless you were deranged enough yourself to type all that:p)
 
Carrot Flower King said:
Still no closer to an explanation of how "trans" anything leads to shooting up a school with an AR-15?
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Why in the actual **** would we worry about what a school shooter is upset about? There will always be something for would be school shooters to be upset about. It's ******* high school. It's the guns that are the problem.
 
Samson said:
I got it exactly right.
I expect my accuser to start with the biggest lie.
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You're biggest lie is that this latest school shooting, and that school shootings in general, are specifically caused by the shooters being driven to it by the knowledge that trans people exist.

Another lie is that there is a "trans cult". The idea that people should be able to live their own lives in whatever way makes them feel most comfortable is not a cult. Demanding that everyone needs to follow some arbitrary morality derived from superstitious dogma and its attendant sexual repression, however, is very much cult behavior.

And how about your lie that only male puberty results in the production of testosterone? You've libeled a woman based on nothing more than sources that are open forums where any moron can parrot some other moron's claim. You claimed that she was on medication to reduce testosterone (for which you have yet to provide evidence) and that the presence of testosterone can only be explained by someone being born male. But that is utter ********. Women's bodies do produce testosterone, and occasionally produce more than is ideal, requiring medical treatment to reduce its production. You're just another conspiracy theorist who assumes he knows far more than he actually does.
 
Carrot Flower King said:
the girl who just didn't come into school for most of one year and came back looking very thin.
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Vivienne in our class. Was always thin, she was hospitalised for treatment for anorexia.
A few of us used to visit her to show she wasn't forgotten. She was out of school for about 6 months.
She's still fit and healthy and living in Skipton now.
 
HansMustermann said:
But for full disclosure sake, and it's actually kinda on topic for a change, but I mentioned many times before, I actually was someone who got transed by my grandma, so to speak, before that was even mainstream. Grandma wanted a granddaughter. Mom wanted a son. They both, heh, got their wish at my expense. I spent about half of my childhood being a girl when I was with grandma (who was really my main caretaker) and a boy when mom was around. I could and did flip genders on a coin drop, as soon as someone told me what to flip to. Well, until I was about 14 and it became kinda unfeasible to pass me off as a girl anymore. (And then it got worse. Let's not go there.)

Most of the time I didn't even understand WTH either really meant. TBH I liked being a girl more because it got me more attention. Plus, hey, grandma loved me more as a girl. I'd switch to being the girliest girl with golden curls in half a second flat for the attention of grandma and her friends :p

I later did stuff like cross-dress after that for lulz and shock value. And I still don't really even have a "gender identity" as such, since I grew up being whatever gender someone else told me to be. I liked it when grandma put me into a pink dress and showed me to her friends as her granddaughter, but that was literally the extent to which a 5 year old even understood what that was even about.

I never really thought about myself as a man, woman, or tentacled monster from Sirius. It's not even a part of my identity, much less a core part. I'm just ME. Defined by my memories, achievements, etc, not by my wearing pants or a skirt.

That was LONG before it was mainstream in the USA, btw.

Evil? Sure, granny was the most evil woman I ever knew, even before getting into her messing up a toddler's head.

BUT... would that justify someone shooting me or my classmates over that? Ehh, I like to think not.
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Didn't The Who do a song about that?
 
Sounds like granny wasn't the only one to get such ideas. Mind you, I wasn't rebelling against it or anything. Mommy knows best, and mommy's mommy, well, she must know even bester ;)
 
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Craig4 said:
No I get that and I'm not mad at King. Just venting.
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No worries; I didn't think you were.

I just want to see what sort of "reason" or "excuse" Samson comes up with. Anything for a cheap laugh.

And I agree with you, per one of my sarcastic posts around this issue, that guns and availability of them is the real issue.
 
Samson is parroting the right wing narrative/claim that its trans kids who are responsible for all the school shootings. Reality is that this simply is not true, but no amount of fact checking or evidence will deter people like him from uncritically believing whatever narrative they want to believe in order to soothe their obsession with maintaining their pre-determined conclusions.

Nonetheless, I will post some fact checking (even though I'm sure Samson will handwave them away as left wing liberal, pro-trans bias).

https://www.reuters.com/fact-check/...carried-out-by-transgender-people-2024-09-06/

Transgender individuals represent less than 1 percent of perpetrators in all mass shootings over the past decade, and about 2 percent involved in school shootings specifically, according to The Gun Violence Archive (GVA).​

Its worth noting that only 0.5% of all U.S. adults and 1.4% of youth between 13 and 17 identify as transgender. So at 2%, trans kids are not hugely over represented in the stats, particularly when you consider the very small numbers involved, where one or to incidents could either double or halve the percentages.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fac...ansgender-or-non-binary-people-idUSL1N363273/

A spokesperson for The Violence Project, which records data on mass shootings in the U.S. since 1966 with “four or more” people killed in public, told Reuters via email that “Nashville is the first case of a trans” perpetrator in their database and per their methodology. They sent Reuters a database of shootings with 190 entries.
The Gun Violence Archive, which began collecting data on gun violence in the U.S. in 2013 (here), (here), recorded more than 4,400 mass shootings in the last decade, Executive Director Mark Bryant told Reuters via email. Its definition of mass shooting is four or more people shot resulting in injury or death (excluding the perpetrator).
Of those, “the number of known suspects in mass shootings which are trans is under 10 for the last decade,” which translated to “1:880 [or 0.11%] of the 4,400 shootings” they recorded, he said.​

https://apnews.com/article/fact-che...sinformation-cd62492d066d41e820c138256570978c

Moments after the assailant who killed six people at a Nashville private school was identified as transgender, a baseless narrative emerged: that there has been an incredible rise in transgender or nonbinary mass shooters in recent years.

Some pundits and political influencers on social media went further, suggesting that movements for trans rights are radicalizing activists into terrorists.

The data tells a different story, according to gender and criminology experts. Mass casualty shootings perpetrated by someone identifying as trans or nonbinary are rare, and in fact, those groups are far more likely to be the victims of violence

CLAIM: Four recent shootings show there has been an “incredible rise” in transgender or nonbinary mass shooters in the past few years, making the group “by far the largest group committing as a percentage of the population.”

Donald Trump Jr. spread the narrative widely on Twitter, claiming the supposed “incredible rise” and later saying there was a clear trend forming.

THE FACTS: While specific data on transgender and nonbinary mass shooters can be hard to isolate, available information shows that the overwhelming majority of assailants in mass shootings are cisgender males.​
 
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Just checking in, and reminding that I only posted what I found on the internet.
I also suggested that it was more likely than not that Colt Gray's Discord account was hacked, but Thermal concluded it was less likely.
I suggest an investigation would encompass all these matters.
That is all.
I have no dog in this fight other than to repeat, trans ideology is an unmitigated catastrophe in American schools, English schools, Australian schools, New Zealand schools, and schools anywhere.
 
You found it and parroted it uncritically because it conformed to your prejudices.

You've admitted to only listening to people you already agree with so why even come here?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
You found it and parroted it uncritically because it conformed to your prejudices.

You've admitted to only listening to people you already agree with so why even come here?
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It is not that simple Mark, I come here out of great respect for the forum owner.
 
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