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[Split Thread] Trans ideology causes school shootings

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The root of every conspiracy theory is the need to advance an ideology by replacing the true cause/villain so they can replace them with their own bogey man. We see it with JFK where who the true killer(s) were are dependent on the CTist's world view. Same with 9-11, and every CT ever.

School shooting happen enough to form a basic frame-work:

Depression/Anger at the world/Unhappy with position in life.
Abusive/Creative/Substandard parenting/Unbalanced home life.
Easy access to high powered weapons.

This is just my untrained layman observation, but the fact is that since Columbine school shootings have become a thing. The go-to response of young people in a "Monkey-See - Monkey-Do" phase of their lives.

I, and I assume a few other posting on this thread had a rough childhood, and we bullied all through school because of our social awkwardness. I was born in the early 1960s, and finished high school in the early 1980s. The idea of taking a gun to school to settle a score was an unacceptable option for me and my peers. To shoot the bully or perceived bullies in your life would justify their beliefs about you. You either took it, or you settled it at an appointed place and time after school with your fists, and let the chips fall where they may.

But Columbine changed all that.

That attack has been embraced by most of the shooters who'd follow. And it's based on a lie that the killers had been bullied at school. The fact is one was a sadist, and the other was emotionally weak. And in a way they formed the mold for the standard school-shooter. Young teenage boys looking to go out in a big way, and make an indelible mark on their immediate world. This has been taken to the extreme where some shootings have happened where the killer either did not attend, or hadn't been a student for years. Schools now top the list for every screwed up young man looking to go out with a bang.

I don't pretend to think I grasp the whole picture, and I certainly don't have any solutions to this issue. But we will never get handle on this if we allow crazy conspiracy theories to divert us, or force reasonable people to disengage.

Side Note: When I was in high school we'd hear stories about stabbings at other larger high schools. And the rumor back then was saltpeter was making kids violent. Obviously this was false, but some parents refused to let their kids eat at the cafeteria. This Trans BS is just the latest stupidity.
 
As Leonard Cohen says,
Everybody knows.

In this case, everybody knows that trans in schools is new.
The post Colt Davis made on Discord is detached from the history we knew as school children.
 
Samson said:
As Leonard Cohen says,
Everybody knows.

In this case, everybody knows that trans in schools is new.
The post Colt Davis made on Discord is detached from the history we knew as school children.
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Transphobic rubbish.
 
catsmate said:
Transphobic rubbish.
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I am suggesting that the trans cult driven into schools by Obama/Biden/Harris should be banned at every level of education.
This is not controversial in polling amongst the proletariat/plebescite in Western countries.
 
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@Axxman300 (and partially Samson)
Sad to say, the first proper school shooting in the USA was in 1840, when a student shot a professor. Proper as in actually done by a student there, and not by some other berks attacking the school. And it continued ever since.

Most of the difference until much later in the 19th century was that you had at most 1 dead. Presumably because nobody stood around to watch what happens when you finish reloading a flintlock pistol.

(Which kinda illustrates the point some of us have been making, that the compromise in 2A has changed dramatically since the 18th century.)

Columbine and the publicity it had, did cause a bunch of copycats. Call it the Herostratus effect, if you will, after the guy who burned down a temple in 356 BC just to become famous and not be forgotten. This time anyone with a grievance in school now knew how to get all over the media.

But I'd say that if you look at the bigger picture, Columbine itself may have been a case of that effect. Workplace shootings, e.g., in the postal service, had been front page in the media for years at that point. Even the phrase "going postal" was already mainstream for years by the time of Columbine. So I'd say even they at most borrowed the idea.
 
Samson said:
As Leonard Cohen says,
Everybody knows.

In this case, everybody knows that trans in schools is new.
The post Colt Davis made on Discord is detached from the history we knew as school children.
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Absolute gibberish. You're just spouting off transphobic boilerplate now.

Why don't you deal with the fact he's one of yours?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Absolute gibberish. You're just spouting off transphobic boilerplate now.

Why don't you deal with the fact he's one of yours?
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I understand your milieu Mark.
However, the matter to address is whether the trans cult driven into schools, and strongly in California, should be reversed immediately.
I am convinced it should be and must be.
 
Samson said:
As Leonard Cohen says,
Everybody knows.

In this case, everybody knows that trans in schools is new.
The post Colt Davis made on Discord is detached from the history we knew as school children.
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And still no hint of a tad of a smidge of an explanation of how we get from "trans" anything to shooting up a school with an AR-15...

Ah but don't go home with your hard-on
It will only drive you insane
You can't shake it (or break it) with your Motown
You can't melt it down in the rain

As Leonard Cohen also said.

I mean, we could trade Cohen lyrics (or paraphrases of Warren Zevon lyrics) or whoever all day.

I'll even throw you one from REM: It's so much more attractive inside the moral kiosk.

None of which answers the question asked.
 
Samson said:
I understand your milieu Mark.
However, the matter to address is whether the trans cult driven into schools, and strongly in California, should be reversed immediately.
I am convinced it should be and must be.
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Wait, wait... this is getting even more disconnected. Now not only it's that some guy who wasn't trans, shooting some kids who also weren't, it's even the state that becomes a red herring. As in, what, because (in your mind) it's a problem in liberal California, he shot some kids in mostly conservative Georgia? :p
 
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Carrot Flower King said:
And still no hint of a tad of a smidge of an explanation of how we get from "trans" anything to shooting up a school with an AR-15...

Ah but don't go home with your hard-on
It will only drive you insane
You can't shake it (or break it) with your Motown
You can't melt it down in the rain

As Leonard Cohen also said.

I mean, we could trade Cohen lyrics (or paraphrases of Warren Zevon lyrics) or whoever all day.

I'll even throw you one from REM: It's so much more attractive inside the moral kiosk.

None of which answers the question asked.
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King, I know you are coal face, but I am also determined that there should be no more damage.
 
Samson said:
I understand your milieu Mark.
However, the matter to address is whether the trans cult driven into schools, and strongly in California, should be reversed immediately.
I am convinced it should be and must be.
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No it isn't. That is not what this thread is about.

This thread was split because your obsession with trans rights led you to accuse Colt of having done this because trans people were not accepted. This wasn't true. Deal with the fact you were wrong and that this had nothing to do with trans people.
 
HansMustermann said:
Wait, wait... this is getting even more disconnected. Now not only it's that some guy who wasn't trans, shooting some kids who also weren't, it's even the state that becomes a red herring. As in, what, because (in your mind) it's a problem in liberal California, he shot some kids in mostly conservative Georgia? :p
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I just read the whole thread from start to finish.
It was not 2 minutes of hate prescribed in 1984.
It was international hate including a countryman.
I will persevere with my proposition that transing children is wrong forever.
 
Samson said:
King, I know you are coal face, but I am also determined that there should be no more damage.
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Your understanding of trans rights and gender affirming care is completely zero though.

Everything you claim about it is absolutely wrong. You keep repeating the lie that children are being sterilised because the gender affirming hormone treatment is similar to what is known as chemical castration. I've pointed out to you on multiple occasions that not only is it not the same treatment as cc, but that chemical castration isn't actually castration and doesn't render someone sterilised. You just stick your fingers in your ears and ignore it.

At this point your rabid transphobia has become your entire personality. You only listen to people who you already agree with even if they're lunatics, actual nazis or just straight up lying to you and you never, ever actually support your position. You're just screaming into the void because noone could possibly take you seriously. People keep trying to explain yo you that you're wrong and why you're wrong and you just ignore them.

It's frankly pathetic.
 
Samson said:
I just read the whole thread from start to finish.
It was not 2 minutes of hate prescribed in 1984.
It was international hate including a countryman.
I will persevere with my proposition that transing children is wrong forever.
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This isn't a response to the post you quoted. It doesn't address any of the substance of Hans' point. The first two sentences are disconnected word salad gibberish and the final sentence is just you saying you are a transphobe and will continue to be one.

You don't make sense samson. Your posts are wildly disconnected nonsense that only you understand. Maybe try to be comprehensible to other people next time?
 
MarkCorrigan said:
This isn't a response to the post you quoted. It doesn't address any of the substance of Hans' point. The first two sentences are disconnected word salad gibberish and the final sentence is just you saying you are a transphobe and will continue to be one.

You don't make sense samson. Your posts are wildly disconnected nonsense that only you understand. Maybe try to be comprehensible to other people next time?
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Transing children is evil.
The thread is driven by this fact.
 
Samson said:
Transing children is evil.
The thread is driven by this fact.
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Even if one agrees to the first sentence for the scope of this exercise, the second is still false. You've been driving it by claiming that it's what made this shooting happen, but you haven't actually shown any valid logical connection.
 
HansMustermann said:
Even if one agrees to the first sentence for the scope of this exercise, the second is still false. You've been driving it by claiming that it's what made this shooting happen, but you haven't actually shown any valid logical connection.
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Thermal posted the Discord post, and concluded it was Colt Davis.
I think it is Colt, but if it is not, this thread is in the right sub forum.
 
Venom said:
Samson what about all the other shootings without a "trans component"?
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They just haven't spotted it yet. All school shootings are, secretly or otherwise, due to some trans component. School shootings didn't happen before trans people started eating our cats. Fact.
 
Samson said:
Transing children is evil.
The thread is driven by this fact.
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That isn't a fact and you've still not actually responded to anything anyone has pointed out.

Again you're just screaming out that you're a transphobe completely disconnected from anything else.

Even if you were actually correct about gender affirming care being evil, which you are not, you're just the worst communicator I've seen in my time on this forum. You write barely coherent screeds that just restate your position over and over again without providing any evidence or dealing with counter arguments.

I mean you've straight up ignored the fact that I corrected your utter lack of understanding yet again and just went back to restating your position.

We know you think gender affirming care is evil, but you aren't able to explain why or provide evidence so you just repeat yourself ad nauseam without engaging with people trying to engage with you. On the very rare occasions you actually do engage with what people have written rather than just the fact they responded to you all you do is repeat your position and the tired old lies you desperately clig to to shore up the fact that you were an abusive brother to your trans sibling and want to hold on to those beliefs because it's all you have left

Is that what this is? Are you shrieking that trans people are evil to assuage your guilt at having treated your sibling badly before they died?
 
Jack by the hedge said:
They just haven't spotted it yet. All school shootings are, secretly or otherwise, due to some trans component. School shootings didn't happen before trans people started eating our cats. Fact.
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Trans kids were not any part of your schooling.
 
Samson said:
Thermal posted the Discord post, and concluded it was Colt Davis.
I think it is Colt, but if it is not, this thread is in the right sub forum.
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That's still not enough of a connection to blame the shooting on the trans or trans ideology.

Even without the other logical disconnects, it's like blaming Kristallnacht on the Jews. Actually no, it's even dumber than that. It's like blaming the Jews if some confused antisemite shot up a mosque.
 
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Samson said:
Trans kids were not any part of your schooling.
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So? When I was in school we were taught Pluto was a planet. It isn't.

Back in the 50s and before schooling was taught with overt and covert racism baked in. My parents and grandparents were taught about the civilising role colonialists played in Africa. They were also very deliberately not taught that gay people were deserving of equal rights and protections under the law. I went to school here in the UK that were still under the rule of the monstrously evil Section 28 law banning 'the promotion of homosexuality'
Education changes as understanding improves. Fancy that.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
That isn't a fact and you've still not actually responded to anything anyone has pointed out.

Again you're just screaming out that you're a transphobe completely disconnected from anything else.

Even if you were actually correct about gender affirming care being evil, which you are not, you're just the worst communicator I've seen in my time on this forum. You write barely coherent screeds that just restate your position over and over again without providing any evidence or dealing with counter arguments.

I mean you've straight up ignored the fact that I corrected your utter lack of understanding yet again and just went back to restating your position.

We know you think gender affirming care is evil, but you aren't able to explain why or provide evidence so you just repeat yourself ad nauseam without engaging with people trying to engage with you. On the very rare occasions you actually do engage with what people have written rather than just the fact they responded to you all you do is repeat your position and the tired old lies you desperately clig to to shore up the fact that you were an abusive brother to your trans sibling and want to hold on to those beliefs because it's all you have left

Is that what this is? Are you shrieking that trans people are evil to assuage your guilt at having treated your sibling badly before they died?
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John died from being prescribed estrogen at age 50 while a man.
He died age 53.in 2005.
He passed as Jo at a Sunday morning farmers market.
People would come by the business and say I spoke to the lady at the market.
John had no children like Richard Levine or Rohann Stace locally.
Richard Levine says he is glad he never had his puberty blocked because his children mean everything to him.
He promotes Lupron for children, as do Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.
 
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Samson said:
John died from being prescribed estrogen at age 50 while a man.
He died age 53.in 2005.
He passed as Jo at a Sunday morning farmers market.
People would come by the business and say I spoke to the lady at the market.
John had no children like Richard Levine or Rohann Stace locally.
Richard Levine says he is glad he never had his puberty blocked because his children mean everything to him.
He promotes Lupron, as do Kamala Harris and Tim Walz.
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So your sister died but you keep misgenerding her and deadnaming her because this is just your entire personality at this point.

You still didn't actually respond to any of my points, just parroted your position yet again.

Why should anyone bother talking to you samson?

There are people who have been on this forum who had staggeringly stupid views of how the world worked. They believed in just about every conspiracy theory going, including the mutually contradictory ones and even they could actually hold a genuine conversation. You can't.

You tell us you're a transphobe. We explain why your position is faulty and you respond by saying you're a transphobe. We explain why your position is faulty again and you say you're a transphobe. We point out that you're not actually engaging in discussion, debate or argumentative, just repeating your initial position. You respond by telling us you're a teansphobe.

It's all you do. You just spam the same claim over and over again. The wording might change but the argument doesn't get any better, it's just a restatement of your position.
 
MarkCorrigan said:
So your sister died but you keep misgenerding her and deadnaming her because this is just your entire personality at this point.

You still didn't actually respond to any of my points, just parroted your position yet again.

Why should anyone bother talking to you samson?

There are people who have been on this forum who had staggeringly stupid views of how the world worked. They believed in just about every conspiracy theory going, including the mutually contradictory ones and even they could actually hold a genuine conversation. You can't.

You tell us you're a transphobe. We explain why your position is faulty and you respond by saying you're a transphobe. We explain why your position is faulty again and you say you're a transphobe. We point out that you're not actually engaging in discussion, debate or argumentative, just repeating your initial position. You respond by telling us you're a teansphobe.

It's all you do. You just spam the same claim over and over again. The wording might change but the argument doesn't get any better, it's just a restatement of your position.
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My brother was an autogynephile.
His girl friend discovered him dressed in her clothing
 
erwinl said:
An that is why it is good that Colt shot those innocent people at school?
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I am unsure how many worthy members of this forum conclude I think school shootings are excellent.
It seems most of you.
 
At least for me, that's not even a factor. My problem is that your arguments blaming the trans make absolutely zero logical sense. Whether you think school shootings are good or bad, would at most add some completely different moral objection, but neither salvages bad logic.
 
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Samson said:
I am unsure how many worthy members of this forum conclude I think school shootings are excellent.
It seems most of you.
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Very simple.
Somebody shoots up a school and the only thing you go on about is what apparently has triggered the shooter and that said trigger should be removed (from school), with nary a single word about the victims themselves.

That can only mean one thing and one thing only. You support the action of the anti-trans shooter.
 
erwinl said:
Very simple.
Somebody shoots up a school and the only thing you go on about is what apparently has triggered the shooter and that said trigger should be removed (from school), with nary a single word about the victims themselves.

That can only mean one thing and one thing only. You support the action of the anti-trans shooter.
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Yes of course, everything about the case is great.
The body count is OK but could be better in pursuit of lowering human biomass.
 
@erwinl
While I'd agree that it's heinous, technically he just agrees with the agenda of the shooter, and uses those dead kids as just a stepping stone to furthering that agenda. Lack of empathy? Sure. BUT... it may be my aging brain (or it being marinated in alcohol:p), but I don't recall him saying that he supports his exact methods.

As a trivial example, I could agree with some of the complaints about Israel and it's occupation of Gaza, but strongly disagree with the actions of Hamas. There is just no logical connection to form an X => Y (or !Y, as the case may be), between the two.

Or just that, as usual, his logic is... tenuous on the best of days, and word salad on the worst. I hope that's not breaking any site rules.
 
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HansMustermann said:
@erwinl
While I'd agree that it's heinous, technically he just agrees with the agenda of the shooter, and uses those dead kids as just a stepping stone to furthering that agenda. Lack of empathy? Sure. BUT... it may be my aging brain (or it being marinated in alcohol:p), but I don't recall him saying that he supports his exact methods.
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Well. We just did have his answer, right before you made this post.
So I suspect, you missed that one.

As a trivial example, I could agree with some of the complaints about Israel and it's occupation of Gaza, but strongly disagree with the actions of Hamas. There is just no logical connection to form an X => Y (or !Y, as the case may be), between the two.
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Totally agree with you on this one.
Or just that, as usual, his logic is... tenuous on the best of days, and word salad on the worst. I hope that's not breaking any site rules.
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yeah. And that one as well.
 
erwinl said:
Very simple.
Somebody shoots up a school and the only thing you go on about is what apparently has triggered the shooter and that said trigger should be removed (from school), with nary a single word about the victims themselves.

That can only mean one thing and one thing only. You support the action of the anti-trans shooter.
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I don't know, makes sense to me. If we want to prevent it in the future, of course we need to talk about triggers, not about the victims.

Anyway. I think school shootings are a meme (in its original sense). A fashion, if you will. The fact, that some group identifies with it more is IMHO natural. Trans are also perfect target for the meme .. disturbed, depressed, typically bullied. Once they learn school shootings is what trans kids do now, they might identify with it as well.
Media embargo in age of social networks is sadly impossible. Making guns unavailable to possible shooters won't happen any time soon either. Also in this type of act, ie. determined user, inspired by previous event .. other means of violence, like arson, might also become popular.
On the other hand, if it is becoming a problem of mostly one relatively small group, it should be easier to focus psychological help on that group. But then trans usually have tons of that already.
 
I am here.
The killer is a construct that Trausti correctly states is brand new.
 
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