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[Split Thread] Trans ideology causes school shootings

kookbreaker said:
Looks like Samson is winding himself up to blame the school shooting on other kids being trans and take the blame off Colt.

The step after that will be approval of school shootings if the shooter was angry that trans people exist.
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He appears to think schools' failure to exclude any pupils who transition and to teach their other pupils to shun them is making the other pupils so angry they want to shoot each other.

And his evidence is that this disturbed kid once said something disobliging about trans acceptance on a Discord chat. (This of course flipped from his original assumption the kid had said something disobiging about trans non-acceptance.)

It clearly doesn't matter what the kid said about trans issues. The fact he expressed an opinion at all about Samson's obsession means that is ipso facto the reason he killed.
 
Samson said:
I described material that has been taken seriously by one other forum member.
Maybe take your attack there.
Trans in schools must please you as much as it appalls people not like you.
Richard Levine is an abomination celebrated by the trans cult in schools.
I hope he disappears from view.
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How the buggery bollocks do you interpret that as an attack?

I'm pointing out (again) that you have not explained the link between anything "trans" and shooting up a school with an AR-15. Aided by a bit of sarcasm, of course, because, well, that's what I do.

Maybe try answering some straight questions (or is "straight" as big an insult as "cis"?) and we won't have these difficulties.

PS A gay friend of mine objected to the use of "straight" to describe us hetero types on the quite reasonable grounds that if I was "straight" he was "bent" and he didn't feel that was right: he would call me "hettie", which I was fine with.
 
Samson said:




This shooting is a corollary to the cult of trans introduced into schools.
I hope I am wrong as it portends a far wider problem.

Eta
In a post on the Internet "he expressed frustration with the acceptance of trans people."

Minute about 9 30 to minute 14 gives detail, CNN and Andy Ngo

https://www.youtube.com/live/tkGTkJUqLk0?si=n8gKp92BJE6s7Q4_
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It's really disgusting, disturbing and Un-American how you are justifying mass murder.
 
Samson said:
I blame the cult of trans in schools for a multitude of sins.
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Of course you do. Better to dehumanize them amiright?

Stop it now.
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No. You happily, gleefully tried to pin this on a pro-trans advocate. You desperately wanted this to be the case so you could keep justifying your hatefulness.
 
Look, you can blame it for a lot of things. Incorrectly, for most of them, but you can.

But in this case, what we have is: a kid who was NOT trans, was NOT bullied for being trans, hated the trans, so he shot at a bunch of kids and two teachers who also were NOT trans, as far as anyone can tell. I mean, if you thought blaming the victim was stupid, get ready for blaming something that doesn't even have any connection to the victim.

It's like blaming it on clowns, if the shooter hated clowns :p
 
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"The Jews killed Christ, and my school tolerates the presence of Jews. And celebrates their holidays. Therefore I shall kill a bunch of kids even if they are not Jews".

The OP is justifying such a standpoint.
 
Hercules56 said:
"The Jews killed Christ, and my school tolerates the presence of Jews. And celebrates their holidays. Therefore I shall kill a bunch of kids even if they are not Jews".

The OP is justifying such a standpoint.
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Add "and I'm a Hindu" to that, and that's pretty much that's the calibre of Samson's argument :p
 
Again, and how is that to blame for the shooting?

I mean, it's literally like a man hating abortions, so he shoots up the post office :p
 
Hercules56 said:
"The Jews killed Christ, and my school tolerates the presence of Jews. And celebrates their holidays. Therefore I shall kill a bunch of kids even if they are not Jews".

The OP is justifying such a standpoint.
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If Colt Davis made the post Thermal quoted, it folows that trans in schools was a factor in this shooting.
To argue otherwise is to call this thread a conspiracy theory.
It makes no difference whether Colt was frustrated by too much trans acceptance or not enough trans acceptance. The contention is he went on Discord associating Trans and mass shootings.
 
Samson said:
If Colt Davis made the post Thermal quoted, it folows that trans in schools was a factor in this shooting.
To argue otherwise is to call this thread a conspiracy theory.
It makes no difference whether Colt was frustrated by too much trans acceptance or not enough trans acceptance. The contention is he went on Discord associating Trans and mass shootings.
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So you are saying if somebody is a Christian fundamentalist and hates Jews because he believes they killed Christ he is therefore justified in killing a bunch of non-jews at his school.
 
Hercules56 said:
So you are saying if somebody is a Christian fundamentalist and hates Jews because he believes they killed Christ he is therefore justified in killing a bunch of non-jews at his school.
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Using Samson's logic it folows that Jews in schools was a factor and they should be taken out of schools.
 
Samson said:
If Colt Davis made the post Thermal quoted, it folows that trans in schools was a factor in this shooting.
To argue otherwise is to call this thread a conspiracy theory.
It makes no difference whether Colt was frustrated by too much trans acceptance or not enough trans acceptance. The contention is he went on Discord associating Trans and mass shootings.
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Yes, but how does it even connect to what he actually did? I'm not even saying justify it, but what is even the logical connection in your head? I mean, if he went and shot a vaginoplasty surgeon, it would still be a heinous act, but at least you could see the connection in his little deranged brain. Here it was as indiscriminate as that when his classmates didn't open the door, he just went to another class and shot those there. What, was his school so full of trannies, that any class would qualify? Or what?
 
I don't like A. This guy mentioned A in some capacity before shooting up the school (good/bad/whatever). Therefore A bad.

I applaud the efficiency. It used to be that the shooter thinking A is good was something of a prerequisite, while thinking that A is bad would invalidate the whole argument. This really streamlines the hate pipeline.
 
Samson said:
I have no dog in this fight, except the abomination of child sterilization occurring at 10 times the UK rate in New Zealand.
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Panic headlines you learned from Xitter. Child sterilzation is a delusion you found so you could hate trans people.

I know several families traumatized by this medical fraud. They are being torn apart.
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No, no you do not.

Get this out of schools and this thread collapses.
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Get your psychotic hatred out of your head and the world is a much better place.
 
@Olmstead
Well, realistically, what we have here is more like a case where there's nothing that someone can't take as being about their favourite soapbox topic. I may have mentioned it before but a long time ago, in a galaxy far a... err... I mean on another forum, someone took my former "A polar bear is just a Cartesian bear after a coordinate transform" sig/tagline/footer as a reason to attack me over my supposed lack of empathy for the plight of polar bears and the climate change :p

Really, that's what Samson is doing here: yoohoo? did someone say trans? Well, then obviously it's an open invitation to the soapbox :p
 
Olmstead said:
I don't like A. This guy mentioned A in some capacity before shooting up the school (good/bad/whatever). Therefore A bad.

I applaud the efficiency. It used to be that the shooter thinking A is good was something of a prerequisite, while thinking that A is bad would invalidate the whole argument. This really streamlines the hate pipeline.
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Exactly.

If he was in group A, then that's why he did it and it's group A's fault.

If instead he hates group A, then his righteous anger made him do it, which is entirely group A's fault.

If instead his Discord account really was hacked and he never gave a moment's thought to group A, then they must have made him do it using evil group A mind control.
 
Samson said:
I have no dog in this fight,
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You tried to make this about your ongoing obsessive hatred for trans people. You failed and now you're desperately flailing to avoid the fact that the only part the trans community had in this shooting was that the shooter was a bigot like you.

Samson said:
except the abomination of child sterilization occurring at 10 times the UK rate in New Zealand.
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Gibberish. Do you not remember that I pointed out that it isn't sterilisation? That the fact it used a similar process to what is known as chemical castration doesn't mean it's actually castration? I know you shut your eyes eery time anyone points out your delusional beliefs but come on at least try to learn.


Samson said:
I know several families traumatized by this medical fraud. They are being torn apart.
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No you don't. I'm just going to call this here, you're a liar. You don't know anyone who has been traumatised by trans acceptance or gender affirming care. You're just making things up about you rather than about trans people. It's a different side of your bigotry but it's the same nonsense.

Samson said:
Get this out of schools and this thread collapses.
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No no no, you tried to claim that the shooter was pro-trans. You don't get to back away from your obvious and blatant error by attempting to spam your nonsense.
 
HansMustermann said:
@Olmstead
Well, realistically, what we have here is more like a case where there's nothing that someone can't take as being about their favourite soapbox topic. I may have mentioned it before but a long time ago, in a galaxy far a... err... I mean on another forum, someone took my former "A polar bear is just a Cartesian bear after a coordinate transform" sig/tagline/footer as a reason to attack me over my supposed lack of empathy for the plight of polar bears and the climate change :p

Really, that's what Samson is doing here: yoohoo? did someone say trans? Well, then obviously it's an open invitation to the soapbox :p
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Whatever you do, don't repeat the joke about the bi-polar bear - you'll have the Ursine Mental Health lobby on your neck! :eek:
 
MarkCorrigan said:
Absolute gibberish yet again.

SAMSON. Deal with the fact that this shooter was angry about trans acceptance. He's one of yours.
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It is of course trivially true, though, that when haters are destructive, those they hate are sort of parties to the destruction. We're left with the paradoxical issue, that though those haters customarily rant about the age of feelings, how they hate the idea that feelings are important, and disparage the feelings of others, it's really because their own feelings are so supreme that nothing else but that matters.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
Exactly.

If he was in group A, then that's why he did it and it's group A's fault.

If instead he hates group A, then his righteous anger made him do it, which is entirely group A's fault.
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Yeah, but what amazes me about that logic is that it's not even connected. I mean, if some guy hates gays and goes and shoots up a gay bar, or if someone hates abortions so they shoot up an abortion clinic, or if someone hates Jews so he goes and shoots up a synagogue, I can at least see the connection. Mind you, it's still not justified, but I can see how his little demented brain made the connection. Not agree, but at least see the connection between "hate A" and "punish A".

But in this case, I'm supposed to think he hated A, so he went and shot some people who had nothing to do with A, so somehow it's A's fault. Like... WHAT? Forget Samson, I don't see how even Colt's brain could make that connection.
 
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HansMustermann said:
... But in this case, I'm supposed to think he hated A, so he went and shot some people who had nothing to do with A, so somehow it's A's fault. Like... WHAT? Forget Samson, I don't see how even Colt's brain could make that connection.
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Agreed.

The kids are so furious about being told to tolerate trans people, they decide to shoot each other? We have no reason to imagine Colt felt that way other than Sampson's insistence it must be so.
 
HansMustermann said:
Yeah, but what amazes me about that logic is that it's not even connected. I mean, if some guy hates gays and goes and shoots up a gay bar, or if someone hates abortions so they shoot up an abortion clinic, or if someone hates Jews so he goes and shoots up a synagogue, I can at least see the connection. Mind you, it's still not justified, but I can see how his little demented brain made the connection. Not agree, but at least see the connection between "hate A" and "punish A".

But in this case, I'm supposed to think he hated A, so he went and shot some people who had nothing to do with A, so somehow it's A's fault. Like... WHAT? Forget Samson, I don't see how even Colt's brain could make that connection.
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Victim blaming -“Look what you made me do”
 
HansMustermann said:
Yeah, I get that. But what I'm asked to believe here is more like, "I'm against A, you're not A, you're not even advocating A, so look what you made me do to you" :p
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But if you've made being bigoted against A your entire personality everything has to be seen through that lens. It would be literally not possible for this act to not have been about A in some way for someone who thinks like that.
 
But seriously, since actually the motivation for his being bullied was just plain old homophobia, the words of a wise man come to mind, "and if you think that homosexuality is a sin, just stop sucking men off." (Bill Maher)
 
MarkCorrigan said:
But if you've made being bigoted against A your entire personality everything has to be seen through that lens. It would be literally not possible for this act to not have been about A in some way for someone who thinks like that.
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Yeah, I already get that about Samson's reasoning. But yeah, not contesting any of that.
 
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Samson said:
If Colt Davis made the post Thermal quoted, it folows that trans in schools was a factor in this shooting.
To argue otherwise is to call this thread a conspiracy theory.
It makes no difference whether Colt was frustrated by too much trans acceptance or not enough trans acceptance. The contention is he went on Discord associating Trans and mass shootings.
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"This shooting is a corollary to the cult of trans introduced into schools" - from your post which opens this split thread.

And you still have not explained how we get from "trans" anything to someone shooting up a school with an AR-15, as you have repeatedly supported such a link.
 
HansMustermann said:
@Olmstead
Well, realistically, what we have here is more like a case where there's nothing that someone can't take as being about their favourite soapbox topic. I may have mentioned it before but a long time ago, in a galaxy far a... err... I mean on another forum, someone took my former "A polar bear is just a Cartesian bear after a coordinate transform" sig/tagline/footer as a reason to attack me over my supposed lack of empathy for the plight of polar bears and the climate change :p

Really, that's what Samson is doing here: yoohoo? did someone say trans? Well, then obviously it's an open invitation to the soapbox :p
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"A fanatic is one who can't change their mind and won't change the conversation" - Churchill
 
Samson said:
I described material that has been taken seriously by one other forum member.
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:rolleyes:
So you are forced to admit you were lying.

Samson said:
Maybe take your attack there.
Trans in schools must please you as much as it appalls people not like you.
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:rolleyes: Yeah, kids feeling accepted is anathema to people like you.

Samson said:
Richard Levine is an abomination celebrated by the trans cult in schools.
I hope he disappears from view.
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Oh look, more of your disgusting bigotry. Rachel Levine is a capable administrator who did good work during the recent pandemic and a decent human being.
Unlike you.
 
Samson said:
Everyone on this forum knows that this shooting would have never happened pre gender ideology being forced on children.
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That's complete and utter ********.

In fact it's just as ******** as Trump's recent, transcendently stupid claim that kids are going to school one gender, and coming home at the end of the day having have full sexual reassignment surgery, apparently in the school nurse's office during lunch, I guess. I mean, I know that Trump is a habitual liar, but I had to wonder what sort of people are so shockingly asinine that they would believe something that obviously untrue - who would be so determined to hate all trans people that they would willingly accept such a blatant lie, or at least fail to call it out as the manipulative ******** it is? But then again I wonder who was stupid enough to believe that Jews were abducting gentile babies and eating them.
 
Foster Zygote said:
That's complete and utter ********.

In fact it's just as ******** as Trump's recent, transcendently stupid claim that kids are going to school one gender, and coming home at the end of the day having have full sexual reassignment surgery, apparently in the school nurse's office during lunch, I guess. I mean, I know that Trump is a habitual liar, but I had to wonder what sort of people are so shockingly asinine that they would believe something that obviously untrue - who would be so determined to hate all trans people that they would willingly accept such a blatant lie, or at least fail to call it out as the manipulative ******** it is? But then again I wonder who was stupid enough to believe that Jews were abducting gentile babies and eating them.
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... or stupid enough to believe that a paedofile ring was operating out of the basement of a DC pizza parlour (that didn't have a basement), so much so, that one of them went in armed and shot the place up to "liberate" the children.

The stupidity of MAGA chuds knows no bounds!
 
I think most folks on the Right and Left can agree that while we definitely have different views on the trans issue, the proposition made in this thread is pretty downright ******* retarded and is truly unAmerican garbage.
 
Hercules56 said:
It's really disgusting, disturbing and Un-American how you are justifying mass murder.
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Hercules56 said:
I think most folks on the Right and Left can agree that while we definitely have different views on the trans issue, the proposition made in this thread is pretty downright ******* retarded and is truly unAmerican garbage.
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While not wishing to support Samson's bigotry in any way shape or form, I feel that it should be noted that he is (AIUI) a New Zealander.

'Un-American' is a ******* weird, nay, nonsensical accusation to level at someone who isn't American.
 
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This thread should be in Humor - it's ******* hilarious.

I can't wait until Putin blames the Ukraine attack on the west's acceptance of trans.
 
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