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[Continuation] Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

Hercules56 said:
Gang Banger mass-shootings dont bother me as I don't live amongst them. Its the random insane whiteboys that worry me.
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Which, again is quite rare. But those White boys do tend to have better marksmanship.
 
Hercules56 said:
The ones that are of real concern, actually are.

Mass-shooters who plan ahead, are heavily armed and wear body armor tend very much to be insane malcontent conservative whiteboys.
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There have been 17 mass shootings with 10 or more victims in 2023. How many of the shooters were "whiteboys?"
 
Bogative said:
There have been 17 mass shootings with 10 or more victims in 2023. How many of the shooters were "whiteboys?"
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It's possible Herc forgot the /s at the end of his post, though on the basis of his recent posts, maybe not.
 
The accused gunman in Philadelphia, Kimbrady Carriker, had made a series of social media posts about guns, the Second Amendment, the "loss of freedoms", supporting the Tantrump and his conspiracy theories. The supposed connections to BLM and "tranny" appear to be untrue.
 
Steve said:
Each of those shootings was perpetrated by a (sub?)human, likely an American. Trivial melanin levels have no relevance.
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Clownish

Until the shooting is perpetrated by someone with a lack of melanin, then it becomes the highly relevant.
 
Moms Demand Action Executive Director Angela Ferrell-Zabala joins the Katie Phang Show to discuss the horrific string of recent mass shootings and how local leaders can fight to bring change to their communities.
America on track for record year in mass shootings (MSNBC, July 10, 2023 - 7:30 min.)
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Steve said:
Is there a kind of mass shooting that most Americans care about? American because that is where all the mass shooting raised in this thread are located.
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Most Americans certainly care little about a stupid party in the hood gone AR-15. Shootings there are a dime a dozen.
 
Hercules56 said:
Most Americans certainly care little about a stupid party in the hood gone AR-15. Shootings there are a dime a dozen.
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I can say with virtual certainty that you are not speaking for most Americans. Many of us are gravely concerned about any time a bullet is put in another human. I'm not dismissing black victims as unworthy of concern and I'll thank you not to lump "most Americans" into that category. .
 
Thermal said:
I can say with virtual certainty that you are not speaking for most Americans. Many of us are gravely concerned about any time a bullet is put in another human. I'm not dismissing black victims as unworthy of concern and I'll thank you not to lump "most Americans" into that category. .
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I'm not dismissing the worthiness of black victims. The racist attacks in Buffalo and South Carolina were terrible.

But that's not the same thing. You know it. Folks are only now including unplanned shootings at parties where armed folks know each other so as to artificially ramp up the number of mass-shootings so they can make believe its a bigger problem than it really is.
 
Hercules56 said:
I'm not dismissing the worthiness of black victims. The racist attacks in Buffalo and South Carolina were terrible.

But that's not the same thing. You know it. Folks are only now including unplanned shootings at parties where armed folks know each other so as to artificially ramp up the number of mass-shootings so they can make believe its a bigger problem than it really is.
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I agree that white people don't take violence in the black community as seriously as when a white boy is the shooter or the victim. This thread is a living, breathing testament to that. But I'm getting the polar opposite vibe from your position. We don't need to dismiss them as blacks being blacks so whatevs, I'm only interested in a white boy with a plan.

I don't give a **** if a mass shooting was planned or not. I give a **** about bullet ridden Americans hitting the ground for ANY ******* REASON. Manifesto boy is more rare than hood shooter. The whole point of this thread has become trying to snap people out of the delusion that most mass shootings are white guys. Well, the point has become people refusing to deal with that inconvenient truth, but that's another story.
 
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Thermal said:
I agree that white people don't take violence in the black community as seriously as when a white boy is the shooter or the victim. This thread is a living, breathing testament to that. But I'm getting the polar opposite vibe from your position. We don't need to dismiss them as blacks being blacks so whatevs, I'm only interested in a white boy with a plan.

I don't give a **** if a mass shooting was planned or not. I give a **** about bullet ridden Americans hitting the ground for ANY ******* REASON. Manifesto boy is more rare than hood shooter. The whole point of this thread has become trying to snap people out of the delusion that most mass shootings are white guys. Well, the point has become people refusing to deal with that inconvenient truth, but that's another story.
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Personally I don't care if there is a mass-shooting in Vancouver or Montreal or West Virginia, where armed white people who know each other got too drunk and decided to shoot it out because some girl talk to the wrong boy.

My concern is planned shooting by psychopaths who choose to Target random people at malls movie theaters, restaurants etc. I think most people share my fears.
 
Hercules56 said:
I'm not dismissing the worthiness of black victims. The racist attacks in Buffalo and South Carolina were terrible.

But that's not the same thing. You know it. Folks are only now including unplanned shootings at parties where armed folks know each other so as to artificially ramp up the number of mass-shootings so they can make believe its a bigger problem than it really is.
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Wait what?

Your claim is that shootings at parties where there are many victims previously didn't count, but now they do.

If this is true (and I'd like to see some evidence please) then it is better characterised as people were previously artificially ramping down the number of mass shootings to make it look like the problem is smaller than it really is.
 
jeremyp said:
Wait what?

Your claim is that shootings at parties where there are many victims previously didn't count, but now they do.

If this is true (and I'd like to see some evidence please) then it is better characterised as people were previously artificially ramping down the number of mass shootings to make it look like the problem is smaller than it really is.
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No, "mass-shooting" was a term that didn't simply mean lots of people being shot in a single event. Its a neologism, meant to refer to pre-planned shootings events by psychos meant to target strangers at soft targets like movie theaters, restaurants, concerts, etc.
 
A mass shooting is a violent crime in which an attacker kills or injures multiple individuals simultaneously using a firearm. There is no widely-accepted definition of "mass shooting" and different organizations tracking such incidents use different definitions. Definitions of mass shootings exclude warfare and sometimes exclude instances of gang violence, armed robberies, and familicides.

In the United States, the Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act of 2012 defines mass killings as three or more killings in a single incident.[2] A Congressional Research Service report from 2013 specifies four or more killings on indiscriminate victims while excluding violence committed as a means to an end, such as robbery or terrorism.[3] Media outlets such as CNN and some crime violence research groups such as the Gun Violence Archive define mass shootings as involving "four or more shot (injured or killed) in a single incident, at the same general time and location, not including the shooter".[4] Mother Jones magazine defines mass shootings as indiscriminate rampages killing three or more individuals excluding the perpetrator, gang violence, and armed robbery.[5][6] An Australian study from 2006 specifies five individuals killed.[7]

The motive for mass shootings (that occur in public locations) is usually that they are committed by deeply disgruntled individuals who are seeking revenge for failures in school, career, romance, or life in general[8] or who are seeking fame or attention[9] with at least 16 mass shooters since the Columbine massacre citing fame or notoriety as a motive.[10] Fame seekers average more than double the body counts, and many articulated a desire to surpass "past records"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shooting
 
https://www.poynter.org/fact-checking/2023/definition-mass-shooting/

Here is how some groups define mass shootings or mass killings:

Gun Violence Archive, a data collection and research group, defines mass shootings as an incident in which at least four people are injured or killed, excluding the shooter. Based on this definition, there have been 68 mass shootings in 2023.
Everytown for Gun Safety, a gun control advocacy group, defines mass shootings as any incident in which four or more people are shot and killed, excluding the shooter. The Congressional Research Service uses a similar definition. By this definition, there have been six mass shootings in 2023.
USA Today, The Associated Press and Northeastern University keep a mass killings database, tracking incidents in which four or more people, excluding the offender, were killed within a 24-hour time frame (this database tracks incidents where the offender used a firearm or other weapons). There have been six such mass killings in 2023.
In 2013, the FBI defined mass shootings as any incident in which at least four people were shot and killed. The agency does not have an up-to-date counter on how many such mass shootings have happened in 2023.
After the 2012 shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, Congress in a 2013 law defined “mass killings” as three or more killings in one incident.
Mother Jones, a left-leaning news outlet, keeps an open-source database of mass shootings. Since 2013, Mother Jones has tracked any incident with at least three victims. (The outlet used a different methodology before 2013.) It excludes armed robbery or gang violence shootings and other incidents “stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes.” Its database has counted three mass shootings in 2023.
 
Hercules56 said:
Personally I don't care if there is a mass-shooting in Vancouver or Montreal or West Virginia, where armed white people who know each other got too drunk and decided to shoot it out because some girl talk to the wrong boy.

My concern is planned shooting by psychopaths who choose to Target random people at malls movie theaters, restaurants etc. I think most people share my fears.
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Yeah, you keep repeating that, but I don't think you are hearing what it sounds like.

It sounds to an English speaking ear that you are only concerned with a shooter that might show up where you (or someone you value) are likely to be, but **** those blacks.

If that's what you are saying, then...well...kudos for cards on the table. For my part, I'm concerned about a white supremacist with an AR and a manifesto, but I'm just as concerned about an American subculture that thinks killing is an argumentative tactic. The degree of planning is irrelevant, except in the ability to be proactive and stop it. But that in no way lessens my concerns about a party with mostly black attendees shooting each other up and bystanders and children being shot, and it's some cold blooded **** for you to say they are beneath concern.
 
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