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[Continuation] Today's Mass Shooting (part 3)

Andy_Ross said:
Why this time though?
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Let's do some speculating, shall we? Speculating is fun!

If it was white supremacists, or the police, or religious fanatics who did the shooting, there would be witnesses willing to make a statement to the investigators.

Could it be gangsters? If it was an attempted robbery that went wrong, I think there would be witnesses willing to make a statement to the investigators.

So chances are that the shooters are part of the LGBTQ community. The media is generally sympathetic to the LGBTQ cause. The fun-loving, peaceful and non-violent LGBTQ image portrayed by the media will suffer a few dents. And the police are probably tip-toeing around a very sensitive issue.
 
BrettM said:
Let's do some speculating, shall we? Speculating is fun!

If it was white supremacists, or the police, or religious fanatics who did the shooting, there would be witnesses willing to make a statement to the investigators.

Could it be gangsters? If it was an attempted robbery that went wrong, I think there would be witnesses willing to make a statement to the investigators.

So chances are that the shooters are part of the LGBTQ community. The media is generally sympathetic to the LGBTQ cause. The fun-loving, peaceful and non-violent LGBTQ image portrayed by the media will suffer a few dents. And the police are probably tip-toeing around a very sensitive issue.
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Can I just be clear?

Are you advancing this as a serious theory or are you just taking the piss out of Bogative?
 
Dead serious. Chances are that the shooters are part of the LGBQT community. But we may never know.
 
BrettM said:
Let's do some speculating, shall we? Speculating is fun!

If it was white supremacists, or the police, or religious fanatics who did the shooting, there would be witnesses willing to make a statement to the investigators.

Could it be gangsters? If it was an attempted robbery that went wrong, I think there would be witnesses willing to make a statement to the investigators.

So chances are that the shooters are part of the LGBTQ community. The media is generally sympathetic to the LGBTQ cause. The fun-loving, peaceful and non-violent LGBTQ image portrayed by the media will suffer a few dents. And the police are probably tip-toeing around a very sensitive issue.
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Are you drunk?
You seem to be implying that there's a conspiracy involving the police to not investigate a shooting because it may involve suspects who are LGBTQ?
Are the police noted for their sympathy towards the LGBTQ members of the public?
 
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Darat said:
What are the police hiding?
Is it all "media"?
What is the "media" hiding?
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They, the police and media, are currently hiding – or at least not divulging – the identity of the shooters. Their identities will eventually be released if the suspects are charged or caught.

The two suspects walked into the party, hung out for a while and had a few drinks before pulling out pistols and shooting several people in what the police described as "targeted."

Hate crime? Drug deal gone bad? Who knows, other than the police, people at the party and the media involved in covering the story. All I know is that there are two males involved in a mass shooting with a murder and for some reason, after nearly a week, there is no description available to the public. Why?

I believe it's because the two shooters belong to a victim class and no one is talking because it doesn't fit the narrative.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Are you drunk?
You seem to be implying that there's a conspiracy involving the police to not investigate a shooting because it may involve suspects who are LGBTQ?
Are the police noted for their sympathy towards the LGBTQ members of the public?
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I am not drunk. I was speculating, remember?

I am sure the police are investigating this particular shooting. Maybe they haven't made an announcement yet because the investigation is still ongoing.

I said, "And the police are probably tip-toeing around a very sensitive issue".

The various police departments in the U.S.A. do not all display the same standard level of brutality and hate towards the LGBTQ community. Some of them are worse, and some of them will be better. It is possible that this particular department is trying to establish a better relationship with the LGBTQ community.
 
Bogative said:
They, the police and media, are currently hiding – or at least not divulging – the identity of the shooters. ....snip..
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You claim that the "media" know the identity of the shooters?
You claim the police know the identity of the shooters?
 
Darat said:
You claim that the "media" know the identity of the shooters?
You claim the police know the identity of the shooters?
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I believe that it is highly probable both the police and the media know more details about the shooters other than "male."

Just because the witnesses/victims at the punk party refuse to cooperate with police doesn't mean other people will not. Even in the violent ****hole that is Minneapolis, people are going to pay attention to gunshots and where/who they came from. I'm confident that not everyone who was witness to the shooting are complete regressive retards that refuse to cooperate with police when they are investigating a murder-mass shooting because black lives matter. The chances of no one cooperating are extremely small, in my opinion.

Same with the media. If they are not asking more details about two murderers who are on the loose, they are negligent.
 
BrettM said:
So chances are that the shooters are part of the LGBTQ community. The media is generally sympathetic to the LGBTQ cause. The fun-loving, peaceful and non-violent LGBTQ image portrayed by the media will suffer a few dents. And the police are probably tip-toeing around a very sensitive issue.
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Not this time. It'll be a different victim group.


More on the story from an organization called "Reckon."

Nudieland, a haven for queer and trans punks, shattered by hate-fueled mass shooting


According to the information they’ve collectively gathered, two men wandered upon the show and pursued two queer women.

In an Instagram post by MPR News, a user who attended the show commented, “They were trying to flirt with me and my friend—who both identify as lesbians—and we told them we weren’t interested and not to touch us. They got upset and eventually walked off, and less than a minute after [they] started firing.”

“This was a hate crime,” Diveley told Reckon.
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So the media, LGBTQ groups, the victims and fellow travelers are claiming this is a hate crime. An anti-LGBTQ mass shooting in a major city, with dozens of witnesses, and still no detailed description of the two male suspects.


Were they short, were the tall? Tattoos? Jewelry? Visible scars? Fat or skinny? Missing limbs or prosthetics? Wearing red MAGA hats? Jason Aldean fans? Something, anything?
 
While we are patiently waiting on descriptions of the shooters from Minneapolis, let's head on over to Philadelphia for a similar mass shooting.

1 killed, 6 wounded, the same number as Minneapolis. Just as in Minneapolis, the majority of the victims, 5, are female, the shooting was at a house party, and despite multiple eyewitnesses, the police have not released a description of the two suspects. Strange that.
 
Bogative said:
An update on the above mentioned Philadelphia mass shooting.

The victim count is now up to 9 total, 7 of which are women. Or gang bangers as the resident skeptics here at the ol' skeptics forum calls them.

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/7-shot-1-fatally-at-party-in-west-philadelphia-police/
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So more Americans killed by psychotic Americans with too easy access to firearms. Black, white, suburbanites, gang members, native born, immigrants... they all do it and at far greater frequency than the rest of the supposedly civilized western world. You've proved it again Bogative. Well done you! (except I'm not sure that is the take you want the rest of the world to get from the hell that is America on guns).
 
Parsman said:
So more Americans killed by psychotic Americans with too easy access to firearms. Black, white, suburbanites, gang members, native born, immigrants... they all do it and at far greater frequency than the rest of the supposedly civilized western world. You've proved it again Bogative. Well done you! (except I'm not sure that is the take you want the rest of the world to get from the hell that is America on guns).
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Psychotic? Probably not. More likely to be a socioeconomic situation.
 
I may as well post up some more mass shootings that occurred over the weekend while we await descriptions of the shooters in the Minneapolis anti-LGBTQ+ hate crime mass shooting.


4 wounded in Wilmington, Delaware. Very few details, 35 shots fired. Isn't Wilmington the home of Joe Biden? If this was a white supremacist shooting that the president is always yammering on about, the press will let us know. Just kidding, we all know it's not that type of shooting, it's Wilmington.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/four-injured-in-wilmington-del-multiple-shooting/ar-AA1fwj5d

9 wounded in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. This mass shooting occurred during the "Puerto Rican Festival." A 22-year-old man has been taken into custody. I'm guessing this is not a hate crime and the shooter's demographics do not align with the narrative.
https://www.tmj4.com/news/local-news/9-people-shot-and-injured-in-mass-shooting-in-milwaukee

1 killed, 3 wounded in Macon, Georgia. An argument led to gunfire at a "bootleg" event. Apparently, a "bootleg" is when individuals organize a party where they can illegally sell alcohol. I'm guessing these organizers weren't sitting around chewing tobacco in their overalls while operating their moonshine stills.
http://bibbsheriff.us/17859-2/

4 wounded in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. No details available other than address and number of victims.
https://www.fox6now.com/news/milwaukee-shooting-12th-mitchell

3 killed, 9 wounded in Seattle, Washington. Hookah lounge. 5 guns recovered. Nothing else needs to be said.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/2685998

8 wounded in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 7 teenagers and one adult female were shot in front of a grocery store in the early evening. 2 males wearing hoodies were seen running away from the shooting.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/incident/2686221
 
Bogative said:
I believe that it is highly probable both the police and the media know more details about the shooters other than "male."
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Are you retracting your claim that the police and the media know the identity of the shooter?
Bogative said:
Just because the witnesses/victims at the punk party refuse to cooperate with police doesn't mean other people will not. Even in the violent ****hole that is Minneapolis, people are going to pay attention to gunshots and where/who they came from. I'm confident that not everyone who was witness to the shooting are complete regressive retards that refuse to cooperate with police when they are investigating a murder-mass shooting because black lives matter. The chances of no one cooperating are extremely small, in my opinion.
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Have you any evidence that anyone is not co-operating with the police?
Have you any evidence that there are people you describe as "complete regressive retards that refuse to cooperate with police when they are investigating a murder-mass shooting because black lives matter" who are not cooperating with the police?


Bogative said:
Same with the media. If they are not asking more details about two murderers who are on the loose, they are negligent.
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How do the media know who to ask about?
 
Darat said:
Are you retracting your claim that the police and the media know the identity of the shooter?
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Poor choice of words on my part. Instead of identity, I should have said description.


Have you any evidence that anyone is not co-operating with the police?
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Linked earlier, "In a command staff meeting Monday morning, O'Hara reportedly told his supervisors that victims of the Nudieland shooting have not been cooperative with investigators."

Have you any evidence that there are people you describe as "complete regressive retards that refuse to cooperate with police when they are investigating a murder-mass shooting because black lives matter" who are not cooperating with the police?
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Yes, the victims who are refusing to cooperate with police.


How do the media know who to ask about?
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What??? The media are interviewing people who were shot by someone. I'm going out on a limb here, but surely they know that guns don't shoot people. It takes someone to pull the trigger.
 
Since the local media and law enforcement couldn't be bothered with providing a description of the two "males" involved in the hate crime mass shooting, I will post up the other 3 mass shootings that occurred over the weekend.

4 wounded in Chicago. 2 "gunmen" fired into a crowd injuring 4 teenagers.
https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/lawndale-mass-shooting

4 wounded in Norfolk, Virginia. Multiple shooters opened fire in a 7-Eleven parking lot.
https://www.wavy.com/news/local-news/4-shot-overnight-in-norfolk-3-in-serious-condition/

5 wounded in Louisville, Georgia. Drive-by.
https://www.wrdw.com/2023/08/21/5-hospitalized-after-drive-by-shooting-louisville-no-suspects-yet/


10 mass shootings
5 killed
55 wounded
0 Racially or Ethnically Motivated Violent Extremist-White Supremacist on the trigger.
 
Killin' sometime while we await police or media description of the 2 alleged anti-LGBTQ+ hate crime mass shooting suspects.


1 killed, 3 wounded in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. This drive-up shooting is being described as a "retaliation shooting." A nondescript individual pulled up in and exited from a dark-colored Chevy Malibu and opened fire on 50-100 people exiting a post-funeral luncheon for a man who was killed earlier in the week.
This reporter found it necessary to describe the car but not the shooter. I wonder why?
https://www.fox29.com/news/deadly-r...ves-neighbors-shaken-wheres-the-value-of-life

1 killed, 3 wounded in Denison, Texas. Drive-by. The deceased is a black female. The shooter, who has been arrested, is a juvenile. The lack of national and worldwide outrage indicates that the shooter is not of the white supremacist variety.
https://www.kxii.com/2023/08/21/woman-killed-drive-by-shooting-denison/
 
Still waiting for a description of the 2 anti-LGBTQ+ hate crime mass shooters. So in the meantime.

1 killed, 3 wounded in Valley Stream, New York. A 20-year-old male was killed, two 17-year-olds and a 12-year-old were the victims. A local venue was holding an illegal party that was illegally selling alcohol celebrate the end of summer. The neighbors aren't surprised because of all the riffraff at the venue constantly.

The diligent media let us know that the shooter was a male and nothing more.
https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/...aixd7ipF26bwblYvLN30-1692734896-0-gaNycGzNCqU
 
Bogative said:
Still no description of the anti-LGBTQ+ hate crime mass shooters in Minneapolis.
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Dude, what do you expect them to give out? Do you think they are announcing "Be on the lookout and alert authorities to sightings of any BLACK MALES"?

I mean, if there is nothing distinctive in the description to differentiate the suspects from thousands of other people, it's pretty pointless, innit?

They say "males" so they don't have to call them "it"or whatever. But they are not announcing "BOLO for Males, but we aren't saying black males, ya feel me?"
 
Thermal said:
Dude, what do you expect them to give out? Do you think they are announcing "Be on the lookout and alert authorities to sightings of any BLACK MALES"?

I mean, if there is nothing distinctive in the description to differentiate the suspects from thousands of other people, it's pretty pointless, innit?

They say "males" so they don't have to call them "it"or whatever. But they are not announcing "BOLO for Males, but we aren't saying black males, ya feel me?"
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Why do you assume they are black? That's the raycismz.

Just kidding, you are probably correct, statistically speaking.
 
Bogative said:
Poor choice of words on my part. Instead of identity, I should have said description.


Linked earlier, "In a command staff meeting Monday morning, O'Hara reportedly told his supervisors that victims of the Nudieland shooting have not been cooperative with investigators."

Yes, the victims who are refusing to cooperate with police.
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Can you provide any evidence for your claim about these victims?

Bogative said:
What??? The media are interviewing people who were shot by someone. I'm going out on a limb here, but surely they know that guns don't shoot people. It takes someone to pull the trigger.
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This has no bearing on whether or not the media are withholding information about the description of the shooters.
 
Bogative said:
Why do you assume they are black? That's the raycismz.

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Because we know that is why you believe that they have not been "identified" by the police nor the media. As to why the media and the police are withholding information you've not given us any reason why you believe that to be so.
 
Bogative said:
Why do you assume they are black? That's the raycismz.

Just kidding, you are probably correct, statistically speaking.
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Dude, I agree with your broad meta point in this thread. Trumpsters and white supremacists aren't the ones putting American bodies in bags, black men are, and in staggering proportions. It's pretty damned (paternally) racist to sweep black violence under the rug as "them blacks and their gangs", when the overwhelming amount of stories do not mention gangs at all. Agreed.

But your taking it way past that. There is literally no point to saying police are looking for a black man, any more than saying they are looking for a white man. It's not meaningfully narrowing the suspect field down. You need something unique. Whether they are black or white or male or female can help eliminate suspects, but it's too vague to help single one out from millions of others.

So while I get your meta point, this one falls skeptically flat. It makes perfect sense that police don't describe in useless broad terms. "Tall male" doesn't single a suspect out either. "Suspect has large swastika tattoo on his face" is going to single someone out of a crowd.
 
Darat said:
Can you provide any evidence for your claim about these victims?
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Already quoted and linked.



This has no bearing on whether or not the media are withholding information about the description of the shooters.
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It's just a hunch, but my belief is at least some of the reporters asked the victims and/or witnesses what the shooters looked like hoping they would give a description of someone who may fit their(the media) description of what they believe to be a MAGA type or a white supremacist.

Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But from my experience, there is a definite pattern of media hiding inconvenient facts when it doesn't fit the narrative.
 
Darat said:
Because we know that is why you believe that they have not been "identified" by the police nor the media. As to why the media and the police are withholding information you've not given us any reason why you believe that to be so.
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Yes, that is why. I believe the shooters are black. I may be wrong, but I highly doubt it. If you're willing to make a friendly bet, and I am wrong, you choose my avatar for one month. If I'm right, I choose yours for 2 days. Game?


The police and media are withholding information because the shooters are black and they are a victim class that needs to be protected, for some reason.

Just to clarify, I'm not expecting "identities" as of yet, just descriptions other than "male."
 
Thermal said:
So while I get your meta point, this one falls skeptically flat. It makes perfect sense that police don't describe in useless broad terms. "Tall male" doesn't single a suspect out either. "Suspect has large swastika tattoo on his face" is going to single someone out of a crowd.
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There are broader implications to not describing suspects in greater detail. In the last few months, I have heard four separate alternative, but prominent, left-wing political commentators claim that white people commit the most mass shootings.

Charlemagne the God brought it up in his interview with Larry Elder recently. Cenk Uyger of the Young Turks, David Pakman and Kyle Kulinski have all 3 repeated the lie that most mass shooters are white within the last few months on their shows.

Hell, earlier today a fellow forum a member accused me of posting only mass shootings committed by black people. After 2 years of focusing on this subject, on this board, supposed "skeptics" still believe the lie.

The police and media not describing the suspects of a mass murderer in greater detail is doing a disservice to everyone.
 
It looks like we may have a couple of white male shooters to post on the board. Both of them appear to be domestic violence related.

3 killed, 5 wounded in Orange County, California. A retired LEO opened fire after a "domestic dispute" with his wife at a popular motorcyclist hang out. Still early, not a lot of details. LEOs arrived on scene and killed the shooter.
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/...ting-at-historic-biker-bar-in-trabuco-canyon/


4 wounded in Howland, Ohio. All 4 were LEO. A man barricaded himself in a house with family members. He was shot after a 10 hour standoff and a shootout with LEO.
https://www.wytv.com/news/local-news/police-investigating-2-separate-scenes-in-trumbull-county/


Still no description of the LGBTQ+ hate crime mass shooters in Minneapolis.
 
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Bogative said:
Already quoted and linked.
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No you haven't your link was supporting your claim that victims were not co-operating with the police. The other claims you made about the victims were not addressed by that link.


Bogative said:
It's just a hunch, but my belief is at least some of the reporters asked the victims and/or witnesses what the shooters looked like hoping they would give a description of someone who may fit their(the media) description of what they believe to be a MAGA type or a white supremacist.
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Based on zero evidence.
Bogative said:
Could I be wrong? Absolutely. But from my experience, there is a definite pattern of media hiding inconvenient facts when it doesn't fit the narrative.
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How is this coordinated conspiracy across all media and this police department maintained?
 
Bogative said:
Yes, that is why. I believe the shooters are black. I may be wrong, but I highly doubt it. If you're willing to make a friendly bet, and I am wrong, you choose my avatar for one month. If I'm right, I choose yours for 2 days. Game?
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I don't gamble.

Bogative said:
The police and media are withholding information because the shooters are black and they are a victim class that needs to be protected, for some reason.

Just to clarify, I'm not expecting "identities" as of yet, just descriptions other than "male."
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How is such a withholding of descriptions coordinated and maintained?
 
Darat said:
How is such a withholding of descriptions coordinated and maintained?
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Now now, Darat, if the sinister They can maintain the moon landing hoax by coordinating millions of physicists and engineers all over the world for half a century, then surely they can get the vast majority of journalists and law enforcement personnel to fully commit to the conspiracy against white people. I mean, the conspiracy against white people is so massive and effective that it must be coordinated by an extremely efficient and powerful like, I'm going to guess, teh Joos. And if white people are this stupid and hapless, maybe they deserve to be replaced.
 
Darat said:
No you haven't your link was supporting your claim that victims were not co-operating with the police. The other claims you made about the victims were not addressed by that link.
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That they are regressive retards? Yes, I did.

The refusal to cooperate with police is evidence of that.



How is this coordinated conspiracy across all media and this police department maintained?
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I never said it was a conspiracy, it's just what they do.
 
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