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"tar -xvf" problem, seen it since the beginning of my career, and now towards the end.
After this boxing glove of their incompetency bloodied my nose, I found out their cryptic (hence the label "tar -xvf" mockery) babble actually means if I want to control the VM using python in the surrounding Windows environment, that's what I need to install.
I didn't, so I turned off Python controls on install. How to was not immediately obvious, fortunately I've been dealing with profound incompetency in others for 40 years.
Three boxing glove punches ala a Batman villain solved. Many more to go.
Get it installing. It hangs on "copying files". Left it going all day yesterday, never finishes. Going to Google to find the solution to yet another symptom of their profound incompetency, someone notes the same problem, with the VM sucking up all its allocated CPU. No solution.
Clobber the created VM and start again. This time I give it 4gb ram (which I did last time), but 2 processors and 100 gb hdd, yes, preallocate it all.
Hooray! This one works and gets all the way through! I am presented with a login screen, and do so.
Screen is tiny, right click and do display. It doesn't have my native resolution as an option, sigh, another how to google trip in the offing.
Anyway, select the largest it has, screen goes black. Eventually it resets, as someone inhaled asking the user if they want to keep the new display settings, born of phenomenal incompetency from the old DOS days. If you can't see the popup, you can't answer yes, so it goes back, fortunately.
Select a still-lesser but bigger resolution, it asks if I want to keep it. Yes!
Start fumbling around with the desktop. It locks up. Wait a long time, nothing. Use surrounding window to shut down. Save state? No, that seems unproductive. Power off or send shutdown signal? Have no idea. Power off.
Restart, black screen. Reset the machine, asks me if I want to start ubuntu or run one of several ram checks. Start ubuntu. Black screen.
Delete the vm and all files, create yet another new VM, same enlarged but not too huge options.
Previously I have raved about the excellence of the programmers at Citrix, because their product worked seamlessly on Windows, Linux, Apple, etc.
Today I discovered that they'd dropped a file into /etc/init.d/ that wasn't removed during the uninstall process, and that file was slowing down my boot (ever so slightly) as SystemD tried to start a service that didn't exist.
I'm going to give their programmers a break, as it was probably something like me installing as root, and de-installing as a user, that caused the problem.
However, I'd like to think that I would have included a test at the beginning of the de-install that said:
"Hmm... You're not running this as root, that will leave a pile of cruft in various places, are you sure you want to do that?"
No. "Programmers" as such don't do installation routines. They're usually created from toolkits. Oracle has had installation problems due to their over-reliance on Java since at least 2002 and probably earlier.
"tar -xvf" problem, seen it since the beginning of my career, and now towards the end.
After this boxing glove of their incompetency bloodied my nose, I found out their cryptic (hence the label "tar -xvf" mockery) babble actually means if I want to control the VM using python in the surrounding Windows environment, that's what I need to install.
I didn't, so I turned off Python controls on install. How to was not immediately obvious, fortunately I've been dealing with profound incompetency in others for 40 years.
Three boxing glove punches ala a Batman villain solved. Many more to go.
Get it installing. It hangs on "copying files". Left it going all day yesterday, never finishes. Going to Google to find the solution to yet another symptom of their profound incompetency, someone notes the same problem, with the VM sucking up all its allocated CPU. No solution.
Clobber the created VM and start again. This time I give it 4gb ram (which I did last time), but 2 processors and 100 gb hdd, yes, preallocate it all.
Hooray! This one works and gets all the way through! I am presented with a login screen, and do so.
Screen is tiny, right click and do display. It doesn't have my native resolution as an option, sigh, another how to google trip in the offing.
Anyway, select the largest it has, screen goes black. Eventually it resets, as someone inhaled asking the user if they want to keep the new display settings, born of phenomenal incompetency from the old DOS days. If you can't see the popup, you can't answer yes, so it goes back, fortunately.
Select a still-lesser but bigger resolution, it asks if I want to keep it. Yes!
Start fumbling around with the desktop. It locks up. Wait a long time, nothing. Use surrounding window to shut down. Save state? No, that seems unproductive. Power off or send shutdown signal? Have no idea. Power off.
Restart, black screen. Reset the machine, asks me if I want to start ubuntu or run one of several ram checks. Start ubuntu. Black screen.
Delete the vm and all files, create yet another new VM, same enlarged but not too huge options.
No. "Programmers" as such don't do installation routines. They're usually created from toolkits. Oracle has had installation problems due to their over-reliance on Java since at least 2002 and probably earlier.
I did the installers for several games even though by then my programming days were behind me, and you are correct - I used a couple of the installer programs (not apps back then!) that were available. Installers for any halfway complex program are always a nightmare, and when you have to deal with user options... arghhh...
The application I used to support, would have major updates to production (roughly once per year).
Those updates would take a team of 30 people, working in shifts, across about 72 hours.
It would include changes at the database layer, application servers, communication servers, servers for back end interfaces, and a client update across 5,000 workstations (pushed from a central location, with a forced reboot).
(From memory, we had 16 production servers used by this application)
And something like 40 across all the environments
(DEV, TEST, INTEGRATION, QA, HOTFIX, PRODUCTION)
People used to ask us, why this wasn't done as a simple install file.
(Rather than a carefully coordinated process of approximately 100 steps)
(NB. Note that restarting all of the Integration services also involved coordination with external agencies who connected to those services.)
(Note that we had no control over the integration software at their end, but sometimes restarting their services, had to be done step by step in sequence with ours.)
People just don't understand complexity.
Note that was in a highly controlled environment, where we owned every device, and controlled every piece of software on every device at our end.
I remain eternally grateful that I wasn't the vendor of the application.
They had to deal with the differing hardware/database/environments of their 80+ customers around the world.
Then I imagine people that make products that are supposed to run on any random device, running any OS, anywhere in the world.
I did the installers for several games even though by then my programming days were behind me, and you are correct - I used a couple of the installer programs (not apps back then!) that were available. Installers for any halfway complex program are always a nightmare, and when you have to deal with user options... arghhh...
Yeah, I remember the "wrappers" well, awful crap. And WinDiff...
Oh and the early Windows Installer system. Not forgetting the O2k/2k3 Custom Installation Wizard.
I also remember several versions of Oracle, server and client, being impossible to install on a Pentium III system because of a badly done Java installation routine.
Morons.
Today I encountered another website that has no option for changing an email (as access). It's a burger joint, but the site has my order and profile history and CC info, and I don't want to have to lose it or enter it all again just because they can't do a process that 90% of the rest of the online businesses can do.
One of my ancient emails is on AOL. It's not my main fallback, thank god, but they are now demanding a two-factor phone number.
Umm, no, I don't want that account associated with "me" in any way, shape, or form.
So far so good, I just ignore it, but I cannot log in. So if one of these web sites has a problem and demands a reply to a confirmation email, I am hosed.
The weird thing is I forgot its password for a year, then had a fit of genius and remembered it. Sorry! Pass one gate then dumped right into the phone number gimme gimme gimme.
To remember a long forgotten password, you have to work the controls...
Screen is tiny, right click and do display. It doesn't have my native resolution as an option, sigh, another how to google trip in the offing.
Anyway, select the largest it has, screen goes black. Eventually it resets, as someone inhaled asking the user if they want to keep the new display settings, born of phenomenal incompetency from the old DOS days. If you can't see the popup, you can't answer yes, so it goes back, fortunately.
Select a still-lesser but bigger resolution, it asks if I want to keep it. Yes!
Start fumbling around with the desktop. It locks up. Wait a long time, nothing. Use surrounding window to shut down. Save state? No, that seems unproductive. Power off or send shutdown signal? Have no idea. Power off.
Restart, black screen. Reset the machine, asks me if I want to start ubuntu or run one of several ram checks. Start ubuntu. Black screen.
Were you using the default Ubuntu desktop? With limited RAM you may want to try something lighter like Xfce4. Installing that along with the xfce4-goodies package gives you a very usable desktop.
I'm not a huge fan of the GNOME desktop, even though in a way it harkens back to the command line: "You tell me what to do; I'm not here to hold your hand." And I love working at the command line.
For my virtual machine needs I have a separate computer running Proxmox. I find it much more usable than Virtualbox, and it's not owned by Oracle. Oracle as a company downright evil.
Today I encountered another website that has no option for changing an email (as access). It's a burger joint, but the site has my order and profile history and CC info, and I don't want to have to lose it or enter it all again just because they can't do a process that 90% of the rest of the online businesses can do.
Although I have several email accounts, I thought it was time to get out of the Hotmail group. That, plus Microsoft said they were going to make it difficult for Mozilla Thunderbird users to access that platform, so I switched most of them to gmail.
Following on from Beerina's initial post, I tried installing Ubuntu 24.04.1 on Proxmox VE (7.2-3; current is 8.3), and no video option I tried would work with Ubuntu's graphical server. The installer is purely graphical—Ubuntu hasn't had a text-mode installer for a long time now—so when the graphical environment fails there is no way to even start the installation. To date this is the only Linux distribution that has failed to install on this older Proxmox. At some point I'll upgrade to Proxmox 8.3 and retry.
I agree with Beerina: this is a very poor showing on Ubuntu's part. One of the things that Linux excels at is running on older hardware. If Ubuntu won't install on a two year old version of Proxmox, the developers and testers screwed up big time.
Today I encountered another website that has no option for changing an email (as access). It's a burger joint, but the site has my order and profile history and CC info, and I don't want to have to lose it or enter it all again just because they can't do a process that 90% of the rest of the online businesses can do.
I don't know why it's there - I almost never save that sort of information on a site. But I guess I did and I visit it often enough that it's convenient (and it's a national chain, not that that guarantees any protection.) I prefer just connecting to Paypal but that's not offered. I may have to review it.
Follow-up: After upgrading to Proxmox 8.3, I was able to get Ubuntu 24.0.1 LTS installed, but only by using Proxmox's default video and the installer's "safe" video mode. After installation was complete, the graphical server worked as expected. This is still not a very impressive showing on Ubuntu's part.
For me, I'll stick to Debian. In my opinion Ubuntu plays a little too much "fast and loose" with the Linux ecosystem.
Follow-up: After upgrading to Proxmox 8.3, I was able to get Ubuntu 24.0.1 LTS installed, but only by using Proxmox's default video and the installer's "safe" video mode. After installation was complete, the graphical server worked as expected. This is still not a very impressive showing on Ubuntu's part.
For me, I'll stick to Debian. In my opinion Ubuntu plays a little too much "fast and loose" with the Linux ecosystem.
Your post just caused me to have a look at a stack of old 'install CDs' on a rack behind my desk.
Apparently I used Mandrake from versions 2 to 10, (It may have become Mandriva somewhere in there)
RedHat up to 7.10,
(I think I used Fedora Core 2 for a while, but don't seem to have a disk),
and debian from version 2 to 11 (Bullseye) which I'm still on.
"tar -xvf" problem, seen it since the beginning of my career, and now towards the end.
After this boxing glove of their incompetency bloodied my nose, I found out their cryptic (hence the label "tar -xvf" mockery) babble actually means if I want to control the VM using python in the surrounding Windows environment, that's what I need to install.
I didn't, so I turned off Python controls on install. How to was not immediately obvious, fortunately I've been dealing with profound incompetency in others for 40 years.
Three boxing glove punches ala a Batman villain solved. Many more to go.
Get it installing. It hangs on "copying files". Left it going all day yesterday, never finishes. Going to Google to find the solution to yet another symptom of their profound incompetency, someone notes the same problem, with the VM sucking up all its allocated CPU. No solution.
Clobber the created VM and start again. This time I give it 4gb ram (which I did last time), but 2 processors and 100 gb hdd, yes, preallocate it all.
Hooray! This one works and gets all the way through! I am presented with a login screen, and do so.
Screen is tiny, right click and do display. It doesn't have my native resolution as an option, sigh, another how to google trip in the offing.
Anyway, select the largest it has, screen goes black. Eventually it resets, as someone inhaled asking the user if they want to keep the new display settings, born of phenomenal incompetency from the old DOS days. If you can't see the popup, you can't answer yes, so it goes back, fortunately.
Select a still-lesser but bigger resolution, it asks if I want to keep it. Yes!
Start fumbling around with the desktop. It locks up. Wait a long time, nothing. Use surrounding window to shut down. Save state? No, that seems unproductive. Power off or send shutdown signal? Have no idea. Power off.
Restart, black screen. Reset the machine, asks me if I want to start ubuntu or run one of several ram checks. Start ubuntu. Black screen.
Delete the vm and all files, create yet another new VM, same enlarged but not too huge options.
One of my ancient emails is on AOL. It's not my main fallback, thank god, but they are now demanding a two-factor phone number.
Umm, no, I don't want that account associated with "me" in any way, shape, or form.
So far so good, I just ignore it, but I cannot log in. So if one of these web sites has a problem and demands a reply to a confirmation email, I am hosed.
The weird thing is I forgot its password for a year, then had a fit of genius and remembered it. Sorry! Pass one gate then dumped right into the phone number gimme gimme gimme.
To remember a long forgotten password, you have to work the controls...
Still have an AOL account myself, they've been after a confirmation phone number for years. Use to be you could just click the 'not now' option but they've taken that off. I find if I just back out (when not given the ignore option) and try again it doesn't ask for the two factor phone number for that second login round.
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