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The Wilt Chamberlain 100-Point Game Conspiracy Theory

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This one is new to me, but I don't have Tik-Tok, or know too many stupid people. The claim is that Wilt Chamberlain never scored 100 points in a single game, and that it's a made-up story by the NBA.

This article is a great profile of the conspiracy, and a window into "Presentism" which has become a factor in fueling conspiracy theories today:

https://plus.thebulwark.com/p/wilt-chamberlain-conspiracy-theory-presentism

Although the existence of 100-point-game trutherism feels too ridiculous to contemplate, it’s worth discussing because it originates in a kind of presentism—applying today’s attitudes, assumptions, and expectations to the past—that is all too common in other areas of our public discourse.

If Wilt Chamberlain was his era’s Michael Jordan LeBron James, he must have been just as famous, right? “I know it’s early in the NBA’s history, and maybe the sport wasn’t as big in 1962 as it is now,” one YouTuber admits, “but to not have a televised version of this game or video of this game is honestly so wild and raises so many red flags for me.” It’s only a red flag, however, for a 2024 mentality.

We’re all prone to presentism. I’m 44, and recently I had to strain to remember how people were picked up at the airport before cell phones. How did people know when the person they’re picking up was ready? Dredged from beneath layers upon layers of my experience of instant connectivity was the faint memory of parking and walking all the way to the gate. That was a thing pre-9/11. My kids will never believe me. They’ve been to the airport, and it’s never been like that.

This is a worthwhile read. I turn 60 next month, and I spend too much time thinking about the minutia of the past as so much has changed that my 20 year-old self is as much a mystery to current 20 year-olds as my grandfather was to me. The difference here is I never challenged him when he detailed how things were different in the 1910s, 1920s, 1930s, 1940s, and 1950s.
 
Yeah, to break this into pieces you have to understand that Wilt Chamberlain wasn't the Michael Jordan of his era. He was way, way beyond that. Not that Jordan was untalented, its just that Jordan was going up against players with serious talents of their own. Wilt basically was re-writing the game.

The guy is right about presentism. Are we truly surprised that a meaningless game held in freaking Hershey, PA (they were trying to gain support) didn't have a broadcast or video taping? Even if they had one, keep in mind this was the era where most TV stations would tape over old programs to save video tape.
 
When the CTists say something is a "Red Flag" for them that flag represents a gap in their knowledge. It's like the latest Titanic CT wherein the people behind the Federal Reserve sank the ship because key millionaires onboard were opposed to the creation of such an entity. I know nothing about the Gilded Age politics, but I do know that the sinking of Titanic has never been in dispute. And this CT has only been around since Tik-Tok, and has somehow gone unnoticed for a century by men and women who were there, knew passengers on the ship, have studied the creation of the Federal Reserve to the point of teaching university classes, and writing books on the subject...But Joe Cool Influencer has dug up the real truth, yo.

I find this important because the paranoid part of me wonders if someone isn't using social media to mess with society at a dangerous level. And while Wilt Chamberlain is a harmless CT, the fact that it caught on at all is disturbing. My personal fear is at some point someone will float a dangerous idea, and everyone including me will miss it being disinformation.
 
When the CTists say something is a "Red Flag" for them that flag represents a gap in their knowledge. It's like the latest Titanic CT wherein the people behind the Federal Reserve sank the ship because key millionaires onboard were opposed to the creation of such an entity. I know nothing about the Gilded Age politics, but I do know that the sinking of Titanic has never been in dispute. And this CT has only been around since Tik-Tok, and has somehow gone unnoticed for a century by men and women who were there, knew passengers on the ship, have studied the creation of the Federal Reserve to the point of teaching university classes, and writing books on the subject...But Joe Cool Influencer has dug up the real truth, yo.

I find this important because the paranoid part of me wonders if someone isn't using social media to mess with society at a dangerous level. And while Wilt Chamberlain is a harmless CT, the fact that it caught on at all is disturbing. My personal fear is at some point someone will float a dangerous idea, and everyone including me will miss it being disinformation.

I beg to differ, there was one CT running around either in the late 90's or early 2000's that the sister ship Olympic, that was damaged in a boating incident, was substituted for the Titanic. And further the Olympic sank. Some sort of the insurance issue to fix it couldn't obtained, so White Star sank it instead.
I know really stupid people believe this stuff. There was even a video of ROVs scraping off one of the letters on the side and showing it to be one of the letters of Olympic. I remember a similar earlier video which showed a different letter than the CT video.
 
Yeah, to break this into pieces you have to understand that Wilt Chamberlain wasn't the Michael Jordan of his era. He was way, way beyond that. Not that Jordan was untalented, its just that Jordan was going up against players with serious talents of their own. Wilt basically was re-writing the game.

The guy is right about presentism. Are we truly surprised that a meaningless game held in freaking Hershey, PA (they were trying to gain support) didn't have a broadcast or video taping? Even if they had one, keep in mind this was the era where most TV stations would tape over old programs to save video tape.

jordan was one of the greatest to play the game. but, simple fact is wilt chamberlain was one of the greatest athletes of modern history across all sports and probably the greatest player in the history of the sport. there's a lot of misconceptions about the game then as well. like, he didn't play anyone any good or he was so oversized, but he played against a lot of all time greats during most of his career, like bill russell, oscar robertson, and jerry west. even kareem abdul jabbar, who is an inch taller than he is. in fact, he played against some of the best centers in nba history during that era and bill russell and kareem are always brought up in the "who's the goat" discussions. in fact, bill russell and the celtics regularly beat him, he only has 2 championships to bill's 11. even to speak towards his fame, which the guy was doing hollywood movies as an athlete in the 70s.

of course this was all a long time ago and there's been a lot of basketball, movies, and celebrities since then. but, to me presentism might just be a lack of understanding on a topic
 
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I beg to differ, there was one CT running around either in the late 90's or early 2000's that the sister ship Olympic, that was damaged in a boating incident, was substituted for the Titanic. And further the Olympic sank. Some sort of the insurance issue to fix it couldn't obtained, so White Star sank it instead.
I know really stupid people believe this stuff. There was even a video of ROVs scraping off one of the letters on the side and showing it to be one of the letters of Olympic. I remember a similar earlier video which showed a different letter than the CT video.

People have too much free time on their hands.
 
100 points isn't really that extraordinary compared to the present; Luka Doncic scored 73 earlier this season, so it's only a tad over 50% more. Now Chamberlain's 55 rebounds in a game, that is off the charts. This season the high in a game is 31, so to get to 55 you'd need almost 80% more. Oh, and Chamberlain's 55 boards came in a game against Bill Russell, in his prime.
 
Which would you prefer? All of the credit at the scorer's table for scoring two points in a meaningless NBA game, or a footnote in history as one of Chamberlain's teammates in a game that would go into the record books?

Chamberlain's teammates figured that out in real time. They realized that every point they might score would be at the expense of Chamberlain's record-setting total.

Some sad-sacks who have had 50+ years to figure that out haven't been able to figure that out. There are a lot of stupid people in the world.
 
100 points isn't really that extraordinary compared to the present; Luka Doncic scored 73 earlier this season, so it's only a tad over 50% more. Now Chamberlain's 55 rebounds in a game, that is off the charts. This season the high in a game is 31, so to get to 55 you'd need almost 80% more. Oh, and Chamberlain's 55 boards came in a game against Bill Russell, in his prime.

it's too bad they didn't officially count blocks back then either, i'm sure he'd have some kind of crazy block game record too. of available data he averaged 8.8 blocks per game, all time leader now is at 3.5. he unofficially had 23 in a game, 15 coming in one half. the nba record stands at 17 now. blocked kareems skyhook twice in one game.
 
There is something that helps to explain the record:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilt_Chamberlain's_100-point_game

The radio postgame show reported the Warriors defeating the Knicks 169–150. However, the official scorer's report recorded the game as 169–147, a discrepancy that has never been explained.[69] Chamberlain made 36 of 63 field-goals and 28 of 32 free throws, the latter a far better rate than his roughly 50% career average.[70] In two earlier games at Hershey that season, Chamberlain had made a combined 27 of 38 free throws, 71 percent. The basket rims at the arena were aged, flimsy, and forgiving. Balls would bounce off of typical firm rims, whereas balls near the rim in Hershey were apt to get a good roll and fall in.[71] Playing all 48 minutes of the game, Chamberlain set NBA records for field goals attempted (63) and made (36), free throws made (28), most points in a quarter (31), and half (59).[47][72] He averaged 73 points in four games that week, exceeding 60 in all of them.[73]

Footnote 71 refers to: Pomerantz, Gary M. (2005). Wilt, 1962: The Night of 100 Points and the Dawn of a New Era. New York: Crown. p. 80. ISBN 1-4000-5160-6.

He also had a lot of assistance from his teammates:

Dave Zinkoff, the public address announcer, began announcing Chamberlain's point total after each of his baskets.[38] With ten minutes to play in the game, Warriors forward Tom Meschery sensed the team concept breaking down. The team's offense had shifted to getting Chamberlain the ball and then stopping and watching instead of cutting and moving without the ball.[48] Chamberlain needed 25 points with eight minutes remaining to reach 100, a rate equivalent to 150 points in a full game.[49] He scored his 79th point with 7:51 left, breaking his own record and sending the crowd into a frenzy. The 4,124 spectators screamed, "Give it to Wilt! Give it to Wilt!"[22] After he reached 80, the crowd yelled for 100. Chamberlain thought, "Man, these people are tough. I'm tired. I've got 80 points and no one has ever scored 80." The Warriors continued giving Chamberlain the ball.[50] Warrior Al Attles later explained, "We wanted that Wilt got the record, because we all liked him." Attles himself led by example, passing up on an easy layup so that Chamberlain could score points 88 and 89, five minutes before the end.[22]

With six minutes remaining, the Knicks began intentionally fouling any Warrior except Chamberlain, keeping the ball out of the center's hands.[22][51][52] New York also began moving the ball slowly and using as much of the shot clock as possible to leave fewer opportunities for him to score.[53] Effectively, they played the opposite of what a normal club would do if they faced a deficit, willingly giving up many easy points instead of making attempts to rally back.[47] Meschery said the Warriors lobbed the ball in from the sideline across the floor directly to Chamberlain, who would use his size and strength to get the ball.[26][50] Chamberlain was the only Warrior to make a field goal in almost four minutes before Meschery made a jump shot at 4:15.[54] Philadelphia began quickly fouling New York with around four minutes left, reciprocating the intentional foul strategy.[55] Warriors coach Frank McGuire at one point pulled out his entire starting five, save Chamberlain, and replaced them with bench players.[note 3] The intention was to foul the Knicks, get the ball back after free throws and give Chamberlain the ball. Thus each team spent the last minutes fouling each other.[52] The Warriors ended with 25 personal fouls, and the Knicks with 32, and lost Imhoff and Willie Naulls with six fouls.[22]

With 2:12 left, Chamberlain had 94 points, and he scored on a fadeaway for his 96th point. His next basket at 1:19 came off a lob pass from York Larese for a powerful dunk that was rare for Chamberlain. Gary M. Pomerantz in his book Wilt, 1962: The Night of 100 Points and the Dawn of a New Era wrote that Chamberlain's usual "Dipper Dunk" was "a considerably less emphatic basket stuff, like a rock that barely ripples the pond."[52][56] With less than a minute left in the game, Chamberlain set up in the post.[52] Ruklick passed to Rodgers, who passed to Chamberlain close to the basket, but he missed the shot. Ted Luckenbill rebounded and passed it back to Chamberlain, who missed again. Luckenbill again rebounded and this time passed to Ruklick, who eschewed an easy layup and instead lobbed a high pass to Chamberlain.[57] With 46 seconds left, Chamberlain got free from the five Knicks, jumped high and put the ball into the basket to hit the century mark.[22] Eyewitness accounts of the historic basket differ as to whether Chamberlain merely laid the ball in[58][59] or actually stuffed the ball through the hoop for an alley-oop slam dunk.[22][57] In any event, the arena exploded in a frenzy, and over 200 spectators stormed the floor, wanting to touch the hero of the night.[47] Ruklick immediately ran to the scorer's table to ensure that he was officially credited with the assist.[57]
 
"Presentism" certainly explains the assumption that "it would have been on TV". It's similar to Apollo hoax theorists who claim that images from the late '60s and early '70s were 'Photoshopped".
 
"Presentism" certainly explains the assumption that "it would have been on TV". It's similar to Apollo hoax theorists who claim that images from the late '60s and early '70s were 'Photoshopped".

Or like asking why most of the big Civil War battles were fought in National Parks? And why didn't the Romans ever build new structures instead of always putting up ruins all over the place.
 
blocked kareems skyhook twice in one game.

Forget fake moon landings and flat Earths. That may be the most unbelievable claim I’ve ever seen on this forum.

Blocking it at all is incredible enough. Blocking it without it being goaltending? Wow. That shot didn’t have a top of its arc, it had an apogee.
 
Forget fake moon landings and flat Earths. That may be the most unbelievable claim I’ve ever seen on this forum.

Blocking it at all is incredible enough. Blocking it without it being goaltending? Wow. That shot didn’t have a top of its arc, it had an apogee.

It was two in the same possession, according to this YouTube clip, though the first isn’t really clear.

https://youtu.be/EwHP04TWOps

ETA - the second certainly looks like goaltending!
 
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