The Truth about RFK Jr

About HICPAC's disbanding, the association for professionals in infection control and epidemiology wrote, "The decision to terminate HICPAC creates a preventable gap in national preparedness and response capacity, leaving healthcare facilities without timely, evidence-based and expert-driven recommendations at a time when threats from emerging pathogens and antimicrobial resistance are on the rise. The committee’s interdisciplinary composition—drawing on expertise in epidemiology, infectious disease, infection prevention, hospital administration, occupational health, and patient advocacy —ensures that its guidance is scientifically rigorous and operationally practical. Disbanding HICPAC jeopardizes decades of progress in preventing healthcare-associated infections."
 
dann said:
They wouldn't. They have no interest in that. The idea was focused protection, i.e. that people of working age and younger should get infected SARS-CoV-2 as soon as possible, which would then make them immune to ever getting it again. In the meantime, the elderly, who were the only really vulnerable people, were to be protected. They never really got into how that was to be accomplished. In Sweden, it also never happened. Tegnell was only concerned with getting everybody infected. As state epidemiologist, he never thought that it was his job to think of ways to protect the elderly. He was busy making sure that schools stayed open, which would contribute to getting everybody infected fast, and people didn't wear face masks - probably for the same reason, but his argument was that wearing masks were dangerous!

The whole thing made it obvious that the main point of this strategy was to eliminate all concerns that might impact 'business (!) as usual' and make people stay away from nightclubs, bars, restaurants, movie theaters etc.

Remember that one of the main financial backers of this strategy is Jeffrey Tucker (Wikipedia):


Jeffrey Tucker also supports these public health initiatives:
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The great barrington declaration wasn't entirely mad at the time it was made. The problem was that little was known about Covid-19, and some of the assumptions made to justify the GBD were wrong, but none of the signees seem to have accepted that their assumptions turned out to be wrong and this made their conclusions which led to the GBD false.

In particulat they assumed that covid-19 was something you got once, and that once sufficient people had it, and became immmune it would die away. Instaed we find that it continues to circulate because her immunity doesn't occur. Second they assumed that the only consequence of covid for low risk people was a mild illness or a low risk of death, but we now know that even in children there was a high rate of prolonged illness (long covid). Some children developed multi-system inflammatory syndrome following covid and became very unwell.Finally we cannot assume a pandemic will effect the old and not the young, that wasn't true of the 1917 flu pandemic, it wasn't true of HIV, it wasn't true for TB.

What is striking is that many of those who would criticise the school lockdowns for the harm done to children, will support home scholling.
 
It's really weird that Kennedy can just disband associations that make healthcare work. Maybe it's because most people haven't heard of them and don't know what the machinery of such preparedness consists of.

By analogy, if Hegseth arbitrarily scrapped the B52 fleet because he wanted to stop chemtrails, there would be an immediate outcry at such craziness, but perhaps only because people know what those are.
 
Jack by the hedge said:
It's really weird that Kennedy can just disband associations that make healthcare work. Maybe it's because most people haven't heard of them and don't know what the machinery of such preparedness consists of.

By analogy, if Hegseth arbitrarily scrapped the B52 fleet because he wanted to stop chemtrails, there would be an immediate outcry at such craziness, but perhaps only because people know what those are.
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Would there be an outcry ?

Didn't some state legislature recently pass a bill banning chemtrails ? Would this just be viewed as a bold first step to enact such a bill ?
 
The Don said:
Would there be an outcry ?

Didn't some state legislature recently pass a bill banning chemtrails ? Would this just be viewed as a bold first step to enact such a bill ?
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That was the Tennessee and Louisiana State Legislatures that showed the world their infinite wisdom. Idiots!

www.bbc.com

Tennessee passes 'chemtrail' bill banning airborne chemicals

Critics say it was inspired by unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that planes are spraying poison.
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www.shreveporttimes.com

Louisiana House passes legislation to ban 'chemtrails.' What to know about SB46

The Louisiana House of Representatives have passed legislation to ban 'chemtrails,' a conspiracy theory about condensation from planes.
www.shreveporttimes.com

This is a map of the states in which bills have been introduced into their state legislature to ban chemtrails. This, unfortunately, includes my state. New Hampshire.

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Jeremy Faust wrote, "The CDC’s newly installed panel of voting members for its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices will vote on “Thimerosal containing influenza vaccine recommendations.” The eight-member panel (hand-picked by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. after he sacked the seventeen incumbent experts with minimal explanation) includes individuals who have been paid experts in lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers and spread lies about vaccine safety. The agenda item was posted on the CDC’s website this morning...To be clear, removing the compound will do nothing to improve vaccine safety, but it certainly will undermine confidence in other existing vaccines. While there are many alternatives for influenza vaccines that do not contain thimerosal, elevating this debunked myth to national policy lends credence to misinformation, and sets the stage for other actions that may undermine vaccine confidence in the United States." Among other things, it is unclear how newly appointed members can come up to speed on this and other questions.

CNBC wrote, "Thimerosal has been widely used for decades as a preservative to prevent the growth of harmful bacteria in several medicines and vaccines with multiple doses. But its use in approved vaccines has dropped sharply as manufacturers have shifted to single-dose packaging for their shots, which don’t require preservatives."
 
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shemp said:
That was the Tennessee and Louisiana State Legislatures that showed the world their infinite wisdom. Idiots!

www.bbc.com

Tennessee passes 'chemtrail' bill banning airborne chemicals

Critics say it was inspired by unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that planes are spraying poison.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

www.shreveporttimes.com

Louisiana House passes legislation to ban 'chemtrails.' What to know about SB46

The Louisiana House of Representatives have passed legislation to ban 'chemtrails,' a conspiracy theory about condensation from planes.
www.shreveporttimes.com

This is a map of the states in which bills have been introduced into their state legislature to ban chemtrails. This, unfortunately, includes my state. New Hampshire.

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Live Free or Else!
 
The AP reported, "Missing from the agenda are some heavily researched vaccine policy proposals the advisers were supposed to consider this month, including shots against HPV and meningococcal bacteria, said Dr. Susan Kressly, president of the American Academy of Pediatrics. Instead, the committee is talking about subjects “which are settled science,” she said. “Every American should be asking themselves how and why did we get here, where leaders are promoting their own agenda instead of protecting our people and our communities,” she said. She worried it’s “part of a purposeful agenda to insert dangerous and harmful and unnecessary fear regarding vaccines into the process.”
 
Planigale said:
The great barrington declaration wasn't entirely mad at the time it was made. The problem was that little was known about Covid-19, and some of the assumptions made to justify the GBD were wrong, but none of the signees seem to have accepted that their assumptions turned out to be wrong and this made their conclusions which led to the GBD false.

In particulat they assumed that covid-19 was something you got once, and that once sufficient people had it, and became immmune it would die away. Instaed we find that it continues to circulate because her immunity doesn't occur. Second they assumed that the only consequence of covid for low risk people was a mild illness or a low risk of death, but we now know that even in children there was a high rate of prolonged illness (long covid). Some children developed multi-system inflammatory syndrome following covid and became very unwell.Finally we cannot assume a pandemic will effect the old and not the young, that wasn't true of the 1917 flu pandemic, it wasn't true of HIV, it wasn't true for TB.

What is striking is that many of those who would criticise the school lockdowns for the harm done to children, will support home scholling.
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Even at the time it was nonsense, simply because it was being brought out by anti-science billionaires who were worried the lockdowns would eat into their unearned profits. It was advocating for "natural" herd immunity something I pointed out at the time took at least seventeen goes with the less easily spread bubonic plague.

Anybody who knew anything about epidemics was saying the gbd was ◊◊◊◊◊◊◊◊ as soon as they read it.
 
Planigale said:
The great barrington declaration wasn't entirely mad at the time it was made. The problem was that little was known about Covid-19, and some of the assumptions made to justify the GBD were wrong, but none of the signees seem to have accepted that their assumptions turned out to be wrong and this made their conclusions which led to the GBD false.

In particulat they assumed that covid-19 was something you got once, and that once sufficient people had it, and became immmune it would die away. Instaed we find that it continues to circulate because her immunity doesn't occur. Second they assumed that the only consequence of covid for low risk people was a mild illness or a low risk of death, but we now know that even in children there was a high rate of prolonged illness (long covid). Some children developed multi-system inflammatory syndrome following covid and became very unwell.Finally we cannot assume a pandemic will effect the old and not the young, that wasn't true of the 1917 flu pandemic, it wasn't true of HIV, it wasn't true for TB.

What is striking is that many of those who would criticise the school lockdowns for the harm done to children, will support home scholling.
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A key point is that the people who wrote it never indicated that they had changed their minds. Now two of them have been appointed by RFK Jr to positions in the government. A third assumption in the GBD was that there could be focused protection, but how this was supposed to be accomplished was never spelled out. Jonathan Howard has written on this topic. IIUC he pointed out that the Delta wave hit children harder than the initial wave did, which weakened one of the assumptions.
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From the AP article, "The recommendations [from the APIC] traditionally go to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director. Historically, nearly all are accepted and then used by insurance companies in deciding what vaccines to cover. But the CDC has no director and the committee’s recommendations have been going to Kennedy." IIUC there is also no acting director.
 
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At Beyond the Noise Dr. Paul Offit wrote, "Makary and Prasad are now arguing that requiring placebo-controlled studies for yearly Covid vaccines will restore lost trust. In truth, that information is already available...The small studies of healthy 50-64-year-olds proposed by Makary and Prasad will likely add little to nothing to what we already know about yearly Covid vaccines. Further, these studies are unethical. SARS-CoV-2 continues to circulate, causing thousands of hospitalizations and deaths every year. And, although healthy 50-64-year-olds are at low risk of hospitalization and death from Covid, they aren’t at no risk. How will Makary and Prasad respond if a few people in the placebo group suffered a serious or fatal Covid illness?" Dr. Offit, continued, "Further, Vinay Prasad has said that Peter Marks, his predecessor at CBER, was “either incompetent or corrupt.”...It’s a dangerous time to be a child in America."
 
shemp said:
That was the Tennessee and Louisiana State Legislatures that showed the world their infinite wisdom. Idiots!

www.bbc.com

Tennessee passes 'chemtrail' bill banning airborne chemicals

Critics say it was inspired by unsubstantiated conspiracy theories that planes are spraying poison.
www.bbc.com www.bbc.com

www.shreveporttimes.com

Louisiana House passes legislation to ban 'chemtrails.' What to know about SB46

The Louisiana House of Representatives have passed legislation to ban 'chemtrails,' a conspiracy theory about condensation from planes.
www.shreveporttimes.com

This is a map of the states in which bills have been introduced into their state legislature to ban chemtrails. This, unfortunately, includes my state. New Hampshire.

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Of all the evidence that the US has lost its collective mind, this is the most damning. That some states would even consider and debate a bill to ban something that doesn’t exist leads me to believe that the spiral the US is currently in will not abate.
 
At MedPageToday MD Robert T. Schooley wrote, "The committee charge is to provide technical advice based on scientific evidence; it was not designed to turn over to reflect the political views of each incoming administration. Each administration can choose whether to follow the advice of the committee, but stacking it to provide the advice that the administration wishes to receive defeats the purpose of having the committee in the first place. Hundreds of hours are invested by ACIP members in preparing for the formal open meetings."

He continued, "In his WSJ announcement, he also writes that ACIP had never recommended against a vaccine and that it "failed to scrutinize vaccine products given to babies and pregnant women." Neither of these statements is true. In subsequent communications, he promised to be "tweeting" about "historical corruption at ACIP." Is "trial by tweet" the new norm for how people who volunteer to provide their expertise to our government should be treated?"

According to Dr. Schooley having terms of members staggered increases efficiency, presumably because new members can be brought up to speed regarding standard operating procedures.
 
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MedPageToday wrote, ""The term 'anti-vaxer' it is not a slur, but a compliment,"[Robert] Malone posted on X this week. Malone has also claimed that millions of Americans were hypnotized into getting the COVID vaccine -- an idea he discussed on Joe Rogan's popular podcast -- and has suggested that the COVID shots can cause a form of AIDS....Both Malone and [Martin] Kulldorff were paid thousands of dollars to be expert witnesses for plaintiffs suing Merck over the company's human papillomavirus and measles, mumps, and rubella (MMR) vaccines, which [MD Kathryn] Edwards said is a worrisome conflict of interest. "The ACIP that was axed is certainly held to a different standard than this new one that has been constituted," she said."
 
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Reuters reported on the cancellation of the bird flu vaccine. They wrote, "A spokesperson for the Department of Health and Human Services at the time said the contract was canceled after a comprehensive internal review determined the project did not meet the scientific standards or safety expectations required for continued federal investment. Warren and Duckworth demanded Kennedy make the review public, alongside a similar review the department cited when it cut funding of a $258-million program researching an HIV vaccine. They also asked for a detailed description of how the department decided to end the contracts, and a staff briefing. "You have failed to justify either of these moves to cripple vaccine research," [Senators] Warren and Duckworth wrote. "Furthermore, these decisions appear to be part of your larger, unfounded vendetta against mRNA technology.""
 
In February Johns Hopkins stated, "To illustrate this point, Daniels and DeWeese noted that among other ongoing research, NIH funding currently supports approximately 600 ongoing clinical trials at Johns Hopkins, including trials in cancer, pediatrics and children's health, heart and vascular studies, and the aging brain, among many others. "The NIH funding cut endangers these trials and many more like them into the future," they wrote. "And these trial participants are our patients. The care, treatments, and medical breakthroughs provided to them and their families are not 'overhead'—they offer meaningful hope and scientific expertise, often when it's needed most. They are the lifeblood of the advanced care that draws patients from across the country and around the world to Johns Hopkins."" IIRC Elon Musk pushed the idea of capping indirect costs at 15%. With Musk gone, should this cap be reconsidered?
 
The Guardian reported, "The scientist responsible for overseeing the CDC team that collects data on Covid and RSV hospitalizations resigned on Monday. Dr Fiona Havers told colleagues in an email that she no longer had confidence the data would be used “objectively or evaluated with appropriate scientific rigor to make evidence-based vaccine policy decisions”, according to Reuters...A Health and Human Services spokesperson told Reuters that the agency is committed to “gold standard science” and that the vaccine policy will be based on objective data, transparent analysis and evidence."

CBS News reported, ""Of all the work we have accomplished, I am most proud of how COVID-NET and RSV-NET hospitalization data, presented at nearly every public ACIP meeting since 2020, have been critical drivers of COVID-19 and RSV vaccine policy in recent years," Havers wrote in her email."
 
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Chris_Halkides said:
Jeremy Faust wrote, "The CDC’s newly installed panel of voting members for its Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices will vote on “Thimerosal containing influenza vaccine recommendations.” The eight-member panel (hand-picked by HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. after he sacked the seventeen incumbent experts with minimal explanation) includes individuals who have been paid experts in lawsuits against vaccine manufacturers and spread lies about vaccine safety. The agenda item was posted on the CDC’s website this morning...To be clear, removing the compound will do nothing to improve vaccine safety, but it certainly will undermine confidence in other existing vaccines. While there are many alternatives for influenza vaccines that do not contain thimerosal, elevating this debunked myth to national policy lends credence to misinformation, and sets the stage for other actions that may undermine vaccine confidence in the United States." Among other things, it is unclear how newly appointed members can come up to speed on this and other questions.

CNBC wrote, "Thimerosal has been widely used for decades as a preservative to prevent the growth of harmful bacteria in several medicines and vaccines with multiple doses. But its use in approved vaccines has dropped sharply as manufacturers have shifted to single-dose packaging for their shots, which don’t require preservatives."
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We had this problem in WA State when some poorly informed idiots lobbied the government to ban thimerosal in flu vaccine given to pregnant women. The problem was they passed this bill after clinics had ordered their vaccines for the season. All the single dose vaccines were ordered and no clinics could order more until next season. One orders vaccine early in the year. We all ordered multi-dose vials because the cost was a fraction of single dose vaccine, If very many pregnant women were in one's practice those clinics had no vaccine for pregnant women.

Keep in mind there wasn't a scintilla of evidence the thimerosal caused any harm and pregnancy puts the woman at increased risk of severe disease if one contracts influenza while pregnant.

There should be a law against legislators practicing medicine without a license.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
At MedPageToday MD Robert T. Schooley wrote, ...

He continued, "In his WSJ announcement, he also writes that
ACIP had never recommended against a vaccine and that it "failed to scrutinize vaccine products given to babies and pregnant women." Neither of these statements is true. In subsequent communications, he promised to be "tweeting" about "historical corruption at ACIP." Is "trial by tweet" the new norm for how people who volunteer to provide their expertise to our government should be treated?"

According to Dr. Schooley having terms of members staggered increases efficiency, presumably because new members can be brought up to speed regarding standard operating procedures.
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Yes they have. Roto virus vaccine and live polio vaccine in the US were advised against using.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
We had this problem in WA State when some poorly informed idiots lobbied the government to ban thimerosal in flu vaccine given to pregnant women. The problem was they passed this bill after clinics had ordered their vaccines for the season. All the single dose vaccines were ordered and no clinics could order more until next season. One orders vaccine early in the year. We all ordered multi-dose vials because the cost was a fraction of single dose vaccine, If very many pregnant women were in one's practice those clinics had no vaccine for pregnant women.

Keep in mind there wasn't a scintilla of evidence the thimerosal caused any harm and pregnancy puts the woman at increased risk of severe disease if one contracts influenza while pregnant.

There should be a law against legislators practicing medicine without a license.
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The problem extends outside of the US. Within the US, health care providers can easily afford single use vials that don't need thimerosal as a preservative. This is not true in the developing world, where costs of vaccination are a significant issue, especially since cuts in USAID. If the US bans thimerosal then anti-vax people will claim that the racist West are providing dangerous second class vaccines to the poor of the world.
 
At MedPageToday Dr. Susan Mayne discussed the section on nutrition within the MAHA report on children. She wrote, "As for other additives, some studies suggest a potential association between consumption of synthetic food dyes and adverse neurobehavioral effects, such as inattentiveness, hyperactivity, and restlessness in sensitive children. The data are inconsistent, and observational research is challenged by the co-occurrence of synthetic dyes and added sugars. Yet, FDA recently requested voluntary removal of certified food dyes from the U.S. food supply. As for other additives, there is considerable interest in various categories such as emulsifiers, but data, especially human data, are lacking and more research is needed."

Previously Dr. Jonathan Howard discussed the fact that before Dr. Vinay Prasad joined the FDA he had said words to the effect that you should always perform randomized-controlled trials (RCTs). He then quoted Dr. Prasad "On other issues, we’ve talked about the importance of randomized-controlled trials, and sometimes people say to me “how come you don’t need randomized-controlled trials to take out the petroleum dyes”. And I say, this is just a simple teaching point, the evidence to take a medical product that’s supposed to make you better than to mitigate a potentially harmful substance."

Dr. Howard continued, "Many people have noticed Dr. Prasad’s drastic medical reversal, now that he and other WWTI doctors have power, and it’s their job to generate gold-standard evidence for the American public. It turns out, these doctors are only capable of making YouTube videos “calling for” others to do RCTs. They are not capable of doing any RCTs themselves. However, Dr. Prasad’s statements are more than just rank hypocrisy. By repeatedly undermining RCTs- and that’s exactly what he is doing- he is creating a permission structure for the current medical establishment to do whatever they want. They can make drastic changes based on “common sense,” as Dr. Prasad recently put it. While Dr. Prasad demanded the highest standards from his predecessors, he believes the current medical establishment can embrace Feelings-Based Medicine and restrict vaccines on this basis alone. Which RCT shows that it’s wise to limit the COVID vaccine in pregnancy?"
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Dr. Gorski wrote, "I’ve long viewed Dr. Prasad’s “RCTs or STFU” as methodolatry and EBM fundamentalism. That being said, it is amazing to see how fast Dr. Prasad has pivoted from “RCTs or STFU”—or, as I’ve sometimes characterized it, “RCTs über alles“—to Katzian fluidity with respect to medical evidence."
 
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Dr. Gorski wrote, "I’ve long viewed Dr. Prasad’s “RCTs or STFU” as methodolatry and EBM fundamentalism. That being said, it is amazing to see how fast Dr. Prasad has pivoted from “RCTs or STFU”—or, as I’ve sometimes characterized it, “RCTs über alles“—to Katzian fluidity with respect to medical evidence."
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Really what it should be is that the food manufacturers should have to do research to show their new additive doesn't do harm, not have them introduce additives that we haven't eaten before and then we must prove they are harmful to have them removed.
 
From an announcement in May: “Today we take a major step to Make America Healthy Again,” said HHS Secretary Kennedy. "For too long, our food system has relied on synthetic, petroleum-based dyes that offer no nutritional value and pose unnecessary health risks. We’re removing these dyes and approving safe, natural alternatives—to protect families and support healthier choices.” From the same link: "Under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (Chapter VII, section 721), color additives are subject to FDA approval to determine whether they are safe before they may be used in food. The FDA determines whether an additive is safe to use by considering the projected human dietary exposure to the color additive, the additive’s toxicological data, and other relevant information, such as published literature. Once the FDA approves a color additive petition, any manufacturer can use the coloring for the approved uses."

My initial impression is that this is an appeal to nature fallacy. There are plenty of biologically synthesized compounds that are toxic. Calling a dye petroleum-based might mislead the unwary. Petroleum is a starting point for many compounds, including many medicinal drugs. I would consult the article by Dr. Susan Mayne linked above to begin an exploration of this topic.
 
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Planigale said:
The problem extends outside of the US. Within the US, health care providers can easily afford single use vials that don't need thimerosal as a preservative. This is not true in the developing world, where costs of vaccination are a significant issue, especially since cuts in USAID. If the US bans thimerosal then anti-vax people will claim that the racist West are providing dangerous second class vaccines to the poor of the world.
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Not sure why you quoted my post. I was only referring to stupid legislators that created an unnecessary vaccine shortage for a very vulnerable population for a single flu season. I wasn't talking about the cost of single dose vials except to say that is why we had routinely purchased multi-dose vials
 
David Gorski wrote, "Moreover, ACIP recommendations determine which vaccines are purchased and distributed by the Vaccines for Children (VFC) program. VFC is a federally funded program that provides vaccines to the states to be given free to children whose families might not otherwise be able to afford them. This includes children covered by Medicaid, as well as underinsured children, who can receive vaccines at Federally Qualified Health Centers, Rural Health Clinics, or deputized local health departments. Under VFC, the CDC purchases vaccines at a discounted price and then distributes them to state, local, and territorial immunization programs. Overall, the program has been a huge success and helped to insure that even disadvantaged children can receive vaccines recommended by the CDC, which is one reason why, when I discussed strategies that RFK Jr. would likely use to undermine the vaccination program in the US, I specifically mentioned VFC and that he might find ways to defund or otherwise weaken or eliminate it."

Dr. Gorski continued, "You might ask: Why would this matter if they keep the thimerosal-free versions? I think there are two problems here. First, discussing thimerosal in this way, even though in practice it’s only found in multidose vials of flu vaccine for adults, is a way for ACIP to spread more fear, uncertainty, and doubt about vaccines in general and flu vaccines in particular. From a more practical standpoint, however, eliminating thimerosal-containing flu vaccines would leave only single-dose versions of the vaccine, which are more expensive. Who will be harmed? Obviously, disadvantaged people and people in low resource parts of the country, for whom flu vaccines might become less available..."
 
Earlier this year at SBM Dr. Steven Novella discussed the appeal to nature fallacy, a fallacy that I mentioned in passing in comment #1914 earlier today. He wrote, "Rhetorically, the appeal to nature fallacy has also risen to a full-blown conspiracy theory in some forms. The narrative here is that nature has already provided everything we need to be perfectly healthy, but evil industry (Big Pharma, mainstream medicine, whatever) and their regulatory puppets have tried to deprive the public of the benefits of nature so they can sell more artificial treatments and products. The irony here is that it is the wellness/self-help/snake oil industry that is distorting reality for their own financial bottom line. One of their main champions, RFK Jr, is about to take charge of American healthcare."
 
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Not sure why you quoted my post. I was only referring to stupid legislators that created an unnecessary vaccine shortage for a very vulnerable population for a single flu season. I wasn't talking about the cost of single dose vials except to say that is why we had routinely purchased multi-dose vials
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Not to be critical. But you raised the issue that multi-dose vials are cheaper per dose but contain thiomerosal. I was just following on that although the US could afford to ban multi dose vials and thus thimerosal, but this could be interpreted as poorer countries being given a vaccine that wasn't good enough for Americans. Particularly at the time that the US has reduced foreign aid and thus funding for vaccines.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
Earlier this year at SBM Dr. Steven Novella discussed the appeal to nature fallacy, a fallacy that I mentioned in passing in comment #1914 earlier today. He wrote, "Rhetorically, the appeal to nature fallacy has also risen to a full-blown conspiracy theory in some forms. The narrative here is that nature has already provided everything we need to be perfectly healthy, but evil industry (Big Pharma, mainstream medicine, whatever) and their regulatory puppets have tried to deprive the public of the benefits of nature so they can sell more artificial treatments and products. The irony here is that it is the wellness/self-help/snake oil industry that is distorting reality for their own financial bottom line. One of their main champions, RFK Jr, is about to take charge of American healthcare."
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If only oil was as natural as crystals.
 
Chris_Halkides said:
From an announcement in May: “Today we take a major step to Make America Healthy Again,” said HHS Secretary Kennedy. "For too long, our food system has relied on synthetic, petroleum-based dyes that offer no nutritional value and pose unnecessary health risks. We’re removing these dyes and approving safe, natural alternatives—to protect families and support healthier choices.” From the same link: "Under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (Chapter VII, section 721), color additives are subject to FDA approval to determine whether they are safe before they may be used in food. The FDA determines whether an additive is safe to use by considering the projected human dietary exposure to the color additive, the additive’s toxicological data, and other relevant information, such as published literature. Once the FDA approves a color additive petition, any manufacturer can use the coloring for the approved uses."

My initial impression is that this is an appeal to nature fallacy. There are plenty of biologically synthesized compounds that are toxic. Calling a dye petroleum-based might mislead the unwary. Petroleum is a starting point for many compounds, including many medicinal drugs. I would consult the article by Dr. Susan Mayne linked above to begin an exploration of this topic.
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Does he believe in abiotic petroleum or something? The vast majority of petroleum is dead plants, the rest animals; hence fossil fuels.
 
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