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The Truth about RFK Jr

I would support a ban on high fructose corn syrup. Its poison.

Cane sugar sweetener or nothing.

And should be severely limited.

RFK Jr seems onboard.
 
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As long as the public conception of the “medical community” consists of stalwarts like Mehmet Oz, Gwyneth Paltrow, Ben Carson, Oprah Winfrey, Deepak Chopra, Ty Bollinger, Joseph Dispenza, Joseph Mercola (believe me I could go on) I don’t see that happening now.
 
At SBM Jonathan Howard wrote in June of 2024, "COVID is not serious for most children thankfully, but it can be really bad for some of them... I’ve continued to do my best to fully enumerate COVID’s impact on children, which greatly worsened after May 2021. Though not everyone worried about them, the variants I feared arrived, sadly. One typical headline from December 2021 said Pediatric Hospitalizations Up 395% In NYC Amid COVID-19 Surge." This information may be pertinent to a discussion of whether the vaccine should continue to be recommended for children, a question I raised in a comment earlier today.
 
At SBM in August of 2024 Steven Novella wrote about the benefits of vaccines, focusing on the federal Vaccines for Children program. Although his entire article is worth reading, this passage is worth highlighting: "We can also add that vaccines which prevent bacterial diseases are effective in reducing antibiotic resistance. This highlights the downstream benefits of effective disease prevention." The benefits of vaccines such as this one could be missed in a shortsighted cost-benefit analysis. The New York Times also wrote about the eight billion dollar Vaccines for Children program in January of this year. "When President Bill Clinton worked with a bipartisan Congress to enact a federal program to guarantee vaccines for poor children, they agreed that the authority over buying shots from drug makers should rest with the health secretary."
 
I would support a ban on high fructose corn syrup. Its poison.

Cane sugar sweetener or nothing.
They are practically chemically identical.
Try not getting your medical advice from maga idiots like RFK jr.
And should be severely limited.

RFK Jr seems onboard.
‘Cos he’s an ignorant maga moron.
 
"The trends [in the polls] are roughly the same as KFF reported in a June 2023 survey. But in the new poll, three in 10 parents erroneously believed that vitamin A can prevent measles infections, a theory HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has brought into play since taking office during the measles outbreak." MedPageToday
 
i mean, if the answer is the left's just as bad because of fauci i think that speaks for itself.

there's this weird compulsion to constantly remind everyone that the left is just as bad no matter what that i find baffling. take a look around you, it was not the left you needed to worry about and you can give that a break for a while.
Of course there are nuts on both sides. But the nuts on the left are perceived as nuts by most. The nuts on the right are running the country. I perceive a little bit of difference there.
 
The nuts on the left want equitable treatment for everyone, human rights respected, social safety nets, peace and prosperity for all.

The nuts on the right want to enrich their billionaire supporters, erase entire communities, put disadvantaged people out into the street and aggrandise themselves.

Yeah. There's a little bit of difference there.
 
RFK and all the other wannabe "Alpha Males" just want to assure themselves that their dicks are not as tiny in comparison to everyone else's as they fear they are.
Because that is what matters 99.9% of the time, right? Given how useful dicks are in daily interaction.
 
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I would support a ban on high fructose corn syrup. Its poison.
My wife suffers from fructose maltolerance. While it is probably not poisonous as such, it certainly makes her writhe in pain, so a ban would not be something I oppose. But then apples (and lots of other stuff) gives her the same pains, and nobody are suggesting that apples should be banned.
 
My wife suffers from fructose maltolerance. While it is probably not poisonous as such, it certainly makes her writhe in pain, so a ban would not be something I oppose. But then apples (and lots of other stuff) gives her the same pains, and nobody are suggesting that apples should be banned.
High fructose corn syrup is very different from the natural sugar you get from apples oranges watermelon peaches etcetera
 
No it really isn't. Fructose is fructose, no matter which plant it comes from.
No, high fructose corn syrup is DIFFERENT than normal natural fructose.

High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), also known as glucose–fructose, isoglucose, and glucose–fructose syrup, is a sweetener made from corn starch. As in the production of conventional corn syrup, the starch is broken down into glucose by enzymes. To make HFCS, the corn syrup is further processed by D-xylose isomerase to convert some of its glucose into fructose. HFCS was first marketed in the early 1970s by the Clinton Corn Processing Company, together with the Japanese Agency of Industrial Science and Technology, where the enzyme was discovered in 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
 
No, high fructose corn syrup is DIFFERENT than normal natural fructose.

High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), also known as glucose–fructose, isoglucose, and glucose–fructose syrup, is a sweetener made from corn starch. As in the production of conventional corn syrup, the starch is broken down into glucose by enzymes. To make HFCS, the corn syrup is further processed by D-xylose isomerase to convert some of its glucose into fructose. HFCS was first marketed in the early 1970s by the Clinton Corn Processing Company, together with the Japanese Agency of Industrial Science and Technology, where the enzyme was discovered in 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
And how is that fructose different to fructose sourced in other ways and/or produced by other methods ?

Also, you say that cane sugar is the only acceptable sugar. What is wrong with sugar produced from sugar beet ?

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From the superficial search I've done, it doesn't seem that HFCS is any worse than any other form of sugar-based sweetener it's just that it's so ubiquitous in US market food and drink.
 
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And how is that fructose different to fructose sourced in other ways and/or produced by other methods ?

Also, you say that cane sugar is the only acceptable sugar. What is wrong with sugar produced from sugar beet ?

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From the superficial search I've done, it doesn't seem that HFCS is any worse than any other form of sugar-based sweetener it's just that it's so ubiquitous in US market food and drink.
You clearly haven't looked into the well-known negative health effects of fructose, especially HFCS.
 
You clearly haven't looked into the well-known negative health effects of fructose, especially HFCS.
Enlighten me as to how HFCS is chemically different to fructose obtained from other sources.

Please note that I'm not suggesting that a diet high in sugars is necessarily a good one but that HFCS isn't uniquely bad. If cane sugar was swapped for HFCS in all the places, and in the same quantity, as it's currently found in the US diet then the issues including obesity, insulin resistance and diabetes (among many, many others) would still be there.

The issue isn't HFCS per-se, it's that it's a cheap (and highly subsidised) ingredient which is in all kinds of foods and drinks where there's really no need for it.
 
Enlighten me as to how HFCS is chemically different to fructose obtained from other sources.

Please note that I'm not suggesting that a diet high in sugars is necessarily a good one but that HFCS isn't uniquely bad. If cane sugar was swapped for HFCS in all the places, and in the same quantity, as it's currently found in the US diet then the issues including obesity, insulin resistance and diabetes (among many, many others) would still be there.

The issue isn't HFCS per-se, it's that it's a cheap (and highly subsidised) ingredient which is in all kinds of foods and drinks where there's really no need for it.
Ive given you a link which discusses how HFCS and fructose in general has many negative health effects that regular glucose and sucrose do NOT.

This is well documented. Its not quack or fringe science.
 
Ive given you a link which discusses how HFCS and fructose in general has many negative health effects that regular glucose and sucrose do NOT.

This is well documented. Its not quack or fringe science.
If you're referring to the Wikipedia article, it does the opposite of what you claim and you still haven't provided any evidence that HFCS is chemically different from fructose from other sources.

I repeat, where is your evidence that HFCS is chemically different than fructose from other sources?
 
Ive given you a link which discusses how HFCS and fructose in general has many negative health effects that regular glucose and sucrose do NOT.

This is well documented. Its not quack or fringe science.
Because I have been forced to look into the problems of fructose, I tend to agree with you, but the fructose in HFCS and regular fructose is identical. Most people can digest a certain amount of fructose without ill effects. However, we all know stories about children who get stomach pains after eating too many apples.

Sucrose consists of a glucose and a fructose molecule joined together, and during digestion they are separated. That means that you get a certain amount of fructose whenever you eat normal sugar (sucrose). But a person with fructose maltolerance does not get stomach pains from sucrose. Apparently, if there is an approximately equal amount of fructose and glucose, everything is all right, so there are only problems when a fruit contains less glucose than fructose.

For reasons I can’t understand, the only places where there is an awareness of all this is in Australia and Austria. In these countries you can get cookbooks for fructose maltolerants, but not as far as I know in any other country.
 
Cane sugar or nothing? Oh no, just when I thought I had skirted around all the hills to die on, you're going to outlaw maple syrup? And honey too? I've heard a bunch about HFCS to suggest why it's not a good substitute for other sugars, but most of that comes down to its cheapness and ubiquity leading to too much sucrose and too much sweetener overall. I can understand not wanting it and agitating against it for various reasons, but I'm not convinced from that that there ought to be a law.
 
My wife suffers from fructose maltolerance. While it is probably not poisonous as such, it certainly makes her writhe in pain, so a ban would not be something I oppose. But then apples (and lots of other stuff) gives her the same pains, and nobody are suggesting that apples should be banned.
Of course apples and sweet fruits should be banned. The problem is Fructose in any form including the 50% that makes up sucrose, it should be pure glucose for sweetening or nothing.
 
No, high fructose corn syrup is DIFFERENT than normal natural fructose.

High-fructose corn syrup (HFCS), also known as glucose–fructose, isoglucose, and glucose–fructose syrup, is a sweetener made from corn starch. As in the production of conventional corn syrup, the starch is broken down into glucose by enzymes. To make HFCS, the corn syrup is further processed by D-xylose isomerase to convert some of its glucose into fructose. HFCS was first marketed in the early 1970s by the Clinton Corn Processing Company, together with the Japanese Agency of Industrial Science and Technology, where the enzyme was discovered in 1965.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-fructose_corn_syrup
Just like chemicals from natural sources are totally different than the same chemicals from artificial. We need to get rid of Insulin and go back to using natural insulin instead of this artificial insulin they use now.
 
Ive given you a link which discusses how HFCS and fructose in general has many negative health effects that regular glucose and sucrose do NOT.

This is well documented. Its not quack or fringe science.
You know sucrose is half fructose, so it is poison too. Pure glucose or nothing!!!
 
Being diabetic, HFCS is right out, and finding out by FA, i've found out that sucralose, a sugar sustitute, causes severe gastric distress in not not all that large amounts.
 
Of course apples and sweet fruits should be banned. The problem is Fructose in any form including the 50% that makes up sucrose, it should be pure glucose for sweetening or nothing.
Fructose from fruit is surrounded by a large quantity of fiber, and has much less fructose than foods with added HFCS like soda, candy, cookies, etc.

The comparison is simply not accurate.

An apple a day, an orange a day, a plum a day will not have the same affects on you that a Coke a day will have.
 
Fructose from fruit is surrounded by a large quantity of fiber, and has much less fructose than foods with added HFCS like soda, candy, cookies, etc.

The comparison is simply not accurate.

An apple a day, an orange a day, a plum a day will not have the same affects on you that a Coke a day will have.
Ok, maybe its not chemically different, but fructose is definitely bad for you in the quantities supplied unnaturally, UNLIKE for naturally occurring fructose in fruit.
 
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Ok, maybe its not chemically different, but fructose is definitely bad for you in the quantities supplied unnaturally, UNLIKE for naturally occurring fructose in fruit.
Thank you for the clarification.

Now please explain to me why cane sugar is better than an equivalent amount of beet sugar, fructose, honey, maple syrup or other calorie dense sweetener.
 
Being diabetic, HFCS is right out, and finding out by FA, i've found out that sucralose, a sugar sustitute, causes severe gastric distress in not not all that large amounts.
Presumably as a diabetic, sucrose causes issues as well
 
Thank you for the clarification.

Now please explain to me why cane sugar is better than an equivalent amount of beet sugar, fructose, honey, maple syrup or other calorie dense sweetener.
Its in the link I posted. Fructose reacts very differently to the body that sucrose and glucose. Its not new science.
 
Its in the link I posted. Fructose reacts very differently to the body that sucrose and glucose. Its not new science.
Which link ?

If it's the Wikipedia link it's not as clear as you make out.

Please explain with your own words why fructose is so bad...
 
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And of course sucrose is poison as well as it is half fructose.
Not literally poison, but too much of it is very bad for the body, in a way that is severely worse than too much glucose or sucrose.

Too much water is poison. Too much oxygen is poison.

But too much glucose is much better for you than too much fructose. We use fructose now cause its much cheaper to supply.
 
Which link ?

If it's the Wikipedia link it's not as clear as you make out.

Please explain with your own words why fructose is so bad...
I dont have all the details remembered, but some of it involves I believe how its processed by the pancrease. Glucose and sucrose cause the body to release a hormone to tell it when it is full. Fructose does not do this. And I believe too much fructose over time causes insulin resistance.

There's a lot more to it. Fructose also has a much higher glycemic index than sucrose and glucose.
 
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Presumably as a diabetic, sucrose causes issues as well
Shouldn't have more that 25 grams a day. Can still have a donut once in awhile, contrary to that stupid diabetes awareness commercial where the nosy Karen says to the donut eating diabetic "I thought diabetics shouldn't eat donuts." Yeah you can Karen, just not very often, and only with a balanced diet.
 
I dont have all the details remembered, but some of it involves I believe how its processed by the pancrease. Glucose and sucrose cause the body to release a hormone to tell it when it is full. Fructose does not do this. And I believe too much fructose over time causes insulin resistance.

There's a lot more to it.

So that would be a "No" then. You have a vague memory of "fructose bad" from social media but no real knowledge or understanding.

Maybe I can refresh your memory from the Wikipedia article....

The role of fructose in metabolic syndrome has been the subject of controversy, but as of 2022, there is no scientific consensus that fructose or HFCS has any impact on cardiometabolic markers when substituted for sucrose. A 2014 systematic review found little evidence for an association between HFCS consumption and liver diseases, enzyme levels or fat content.
 
My bad.

The glycemic index (GI) of high fructose corn syrup (HFCS) is generally considered to be around 87.

The glycemic index (GI) of fructose is 20.
 

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