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[Continuation] The Trump Presidency (XXX)

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trump returned to Fox News Monday night, appearing with Sean Hannity. trump boasted his "Justice for All" music video is a smash hit. He boasted to Hannity, "The J Six is beating Taylor Swift. It's Donald Trump and the J Six Prisoners...So now I feel like Elvis." Below is a link to a 38-second segment of the interview in which trump brags his recording "is number one."

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There was no acrimony about the recent revelations about the disparaging comments made about trump from some at Fox. In fact, I don't think it was mentioned. So with everything going on, this is what has trump's attention. "I feel like Elvis!"

This is an American president acting this way? :(
 

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newyorkguy said:
This is an American president acting this way? :(
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I've only ever referred to him as "Trump". When he was elected I resolved that I would only use his name in combination with the title of his position when he acted in a manner appropriate to the position. I'm still waiting.
 
Armitage72 said:
I've only ever referred to him as "Trump". When he was elected I resolved that I would only use his name in combination with the title of his position when he acted in a manner appropriate to the position. I'm still waiting.
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Exactly why I usually refer to him as The PDJT, now The FPDJT most of the time. I don't think I've ever used the full P-word and his name in the same reference.
 
newyorkguy said:
trump returned to Fox News Monday night, appearing with Sean Hannity. trump boasted his "Justice for All" music video is a smash hit. He boasted to Hannity, "The J Six is beating Taylor Swift. It's Donald Trump and the J Six Prisoners...So now I feel like Elvis." Below is a link to a 38-second segment of the interview in which trump brags his recording "is number one."

Twitter link

There was no acrimony about the recent revelations about the disparaging comments made about trump from some at Fox. In fact, I don't think it was mentioned. So with everything going on, this is what has trump's attention. "I feel like Elvis!"

This is an American president acting this way? :(
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Sales soared once it was claimed that the profits will be used to help the families of the poor Patriots unjustly imprisoned for their mostly peaceful and reverential tourist visit to the Capitol on Jan. 6.

 
The Don said:
Doubt it. He doesn't give a **** about his kids and their ability to inherit. Sure he'd like to be fabulously wealthy when he dies but he doesn't care if they are able to inherit.
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I suspect he wants the money to be used to keep the Trump name on all his building.

Also, might his estate be much smaller than expected given that he is the self-styled King of Debt.
 
Stacyhs said:
Sales soared once it was claimed that the profits will be used to help the families of the poor Patriots unjustly imprisoned for their mostly peaceful and reverential tourist visit to the Capitol on Jan. 6.

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Of course it has been quickly forgotten that Trump did not have their backs when he had a last minute chance as POTUS to pardon all of them. Trump was probably wallowing in self-pity and angry the rioters didn't succeed.

But now he's claiming if returned to office in 2024 he'll pardon all the J6 patriots, probably even give them medals. And they no doubt believe it.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Of course it has been quickly forgotten that Trump did not have their backs when he had a last minute chance as POTUS to pardon all of them. Trump was probably wallowing in self-pity and angry the rioters didn't succeed.

But now he's claiming if returned to office in 2024 he'll pardon all the J6 patriots, probably even give them medals. And they no doubt believe it.
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Those idiots believe anything he tells them.
 
Stacyhs said:
Sales soared once it was claimed that the profits will be used to help the families of the poor Patriots unjustly imprisoned for their mostly peaceful and reverential tourist visit to the Capitol on Jan. 6.

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Don’t most states have a law saying that before you say the profits (of an item you’ve already been selling) will go to charity you have to file paperwork?

Also, FFS, do these people not know that only a tiny percentage of the money will go to people? Given Trump’s love of accounting shenanigans, he’s going to say, “I’m one of the performers so I should get a cut - but that will not be taken from the profits, that is an ordinary cost - an expense to be calculated before profits can be tallied. Oh, and my buddy who is the distributor needs a cut too.”
The 45th needs a state judge’s permission to operate a non-profit in NY.
 
Ladewig said:
Don’t most states have a law saying that before you say the profits (of an item you’ve already been selling) will go to charity you have to file paperwork?

Also, FFS, do these people not know that only a tiny percentage of the money will go to people? Given Trump’s love of accounting shenanigans, he’s going to say, “I’m one of the performers so I should get a cut - but that will not be taken from the profits, that is an ordinary cost - an expense to be calculated before profits can be tallied. Oh, and my buddy who is the distributor needs a cut too.”
The 45th needs a state judge’s permission to operate a non-profit in NY.
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There is no evidence that the laws were not followed regarding this that I've found. As for " do these people not know" need I remind you we're talking Trump cultists here? I'd be surprised they could count past 20 since they'd run out of fingers and toes.
 
Norman Alexander said:
Classic bait-and-switch.
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I think the intention all along was to separate Trump morons from even more of their money. They're like the donations sent on a regular basis to televangelists by their gullible viewers. My grandmother finally hid the checkbook from my Southern Baptist, 4th grade educated grandfather who kept sending money to them even though they had barely any money.
 
Stacyhs said:
I think the intention all along was to separate Trump morons from even more of their money. They're like the donations sent on a regular basis to televangelists by their gullible viewers. My grandmother finally hid the checkbook from my Southern Baptist, 4th grade educated grandfather who kept sending money to them even though they had barely any money.
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Indubitably.
 
Stacyhs said:
There is no evidence that the laws were not followed regarding this that I've found. As for " do these people not know" need I remind you we're talking Trump cultists here? I'd be surprised they could count past 20 since they'd run out of fingers and toes.
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You're giving them too much credit, they're the kind of people who need to take off their shoes and socks to count to four.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
You're giving them too much credit, they're the kind of people who need to take off their shoes and socks to count to four.
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Or have digits missing from, chainsaw, circular saw, saber saw, saws-all, hand saw (well any saw) and/or shotgun, fireworks, automotive roll over or repair/modification mishap.
 
Armitage72 said:
I've only ever referred to him as "Trump". When he was elected I resolved that I would only use his name in combination with the title of his position when he acted in a manner appropriate to the position. I'm still waiting.
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Don't forget he'll change when elected and become presidential....
 
Trump last night blasted US critics of Putin saying the Russian Dictator should be treated "With more respect" by the US.
Nancy Pelosi was so right, it always comes back to Russia with Trump.
 
dudalb said:
Trump last night blasted US critics of Putin saying the Russian Dictator should be treated "With more respect" by the US.
Nancy Pelosi was so right, it always comes back to Russia with Trump.
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Because Trump treats Putin with respect. After all, Pootie has got Trump's tiny pink balls, along with Trump's bank account records, in the top drawer of his office desk in the Kremlin.
 
Well, it looks like trump has been indicted. Will there be trouble?

In our country a scant few years ago, we had an ex-President - a startlingly corrupt populist - arrested and imprisoned for contempt of court (the full story is longer), and his followers went on a riot and looting spree which shut down parts of the country for about two weeks. Basic things like fuel, bread, milk and toilet paper were at times impossible to come by. It's a fairly eye-opening situation to find yourself in, not being able to buy food for yourself, your children (I do not have any) or your pets (I have plenty). As things settled down and the supply chain started recovering, we still queued for hours outside the few stores that had re-opened, and there were limits on what could be purchased.

This is not to suggest that such a thing will happen there, and of course the hope is that no such thing does, but it's clear that trump believes that this will elevate his name in the news cycles and there have already been rumblings from him that his supporters should object to action taken against him.
 
So the two responses (from trumpets) to Trump being indicted I've been seeing

1) its an outrage to indict a former president
2) why hasn't Hillary been indicted yet?

On the other hand, what i haven't been hearing is
1) he is innocent, or
2) indict her for what crime?

Although I did see some politician say just wait until we are in charge that DA is really going to get it. Because nothing says "political prosecution is bad" like vowing to prosecute someone for political reasons
 
If the situation were reversed and it was a former Dem president being indicted, you can bet your last dime that these very same GOP politicians would be yelling "LOCK HIM/HER UP!"

One of their favorite talking points right now is "Soros backed Bragg" claiming that Bragg was bought and paid for by Soros. Trump claimed Bragg was “hand-picked and funded by George Soros.” DeSantis tweeted "The Soros-backed Manhattan District Attorney...," Mike Pompeo tweeted "Bragg is the same Soros-funded prosecutor...," and Sen. JD Vance tweeted “Alvin Bragg is bought by George Soros," and “Alvin Bragg is bought and paid for by George Soros and has repeatedly showed his hatred for President Trump based on purely political motives."—FL GOP Rep. Anna Paulina Luna,

This claim is a blatant mischaracterization (shocking, ain't it?). Politifact:
George Soros, a liberal billionaire, donated $1 million to Color of Change PAC in May 2021. Both Soros and the PAC have a record of backing candidates who support criminal justice reform.

Also in May 2021, Color of Change endorsed Alvin L. Bragg for Manhattan District Attorney. The group said it would support Bragg through direct mail and field operations.

Bragg won the Democratic primary in June 2021 by 3 percentage points even though the runner up had a much larger war chest.
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Trump claimed this on his (ironically named) Truth Social 2 days ago:

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Just Out: District Attorney Alvin Bragg received in EXCESS OF ONE MILLION DOLLARS from Radical Left Enemy of “TRUMP,” George Soros. Bragg is also very close to the Clinton Campaign. Republicans and Conservatives are more UNITED than they have been in many years. Even Democrats don’t like what’s going on with the Manhattan D.A. This is a continuation of the greatest Witch Hunt of all time!"

In reality, Soros donated $1 million to Color of Change PAC, not to Bragg. The PAC "eventually spent nearly $500,000 in support of Mr. Bragg. That amounted to about 11 percent of the group’s $4.6 million in total spending during the 2021-22 election cycle, according to the campaign finance website Open Secrets."

No wonder habitual and prolific liar George Santos feels so at home among his fellow GOP Congressmembers.
 
a_unique_person said:
Yep. All the years of leading the chants of "Lock her up". Hoist on his own big mouth.
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A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll conducted after news of trump's pending indictment broke shows trump actually gaining support. Republican voters seem to be rallying around "the only president in U.S. history to face criminal charges." About 54% of Republican and lean-Republican voters say they prefer trump to any other candidate.

In the previous Yahoo News/YouGov survey, which was conducted less than two weeks ago, Trump (47%) led DeSantis (39%) by eight percentage points in a head-to-head matchup among registered voters who are Republicans or Republican-leaning independents. As recently as February, it was DeSantis who was narrowly ahead of Trump, 45% to 41%. But the new, post-indictment poll suddenly finds Trump lapping DeSantis by 26 percentage points — 57% to 31% — in a one-on-one contest. The former president even attracts majority support (52%, up from 44% previously) when pitted against a wider, 10-candidate field of declared and potential GOP challengers, while DeSantis plummets to 21% (down from 28%). Yahoo News link
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Imagine if he is convicted? I was joking about a poll asking voters:
If donald trump is in prison on Election Day 2024 would you vote for him?
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Now it doesn't seem so funny. :(
 
newyorkguy said:
A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll conducted after news of trump's pending indictment broke shows trump actually gaining support. Republican voters seem to be rallying around "the only president in U.S. history to face criminal charges." About 54% of Republican and lean-Republican voters say they prefer trump to any other candidate.



Imagine if he is convicted? I was joking about a poll asking voters:

Now it doesn't seem so funny. :(
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Okay, so a little over half of, what, 40% of voting republicans currently support Trump? Those numbers don't put you back in the White House.
 
newyorkguy said:
A new Yahoo News/YouGov poll conducted after news of trump's pending indictment broke shows trump actually gaining support. Republican voters seem to be rallying around "the only president in U.S. history to face criminal charges." About 54% of Republican and lean-Republican voters say they prefer trump to any other candidate.



Imagine if he is convicted? I was joking about a poll asking voters:

Now it doesn't seem so funny. :(
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Well, if Republican voters are around 50% of all voters, 54% of those is very far from a winning number.

Hans
 
The concern now is trump winning the Republican nomination. There's been a lot of speculation that DeSantis might emerge as the GOP candidate of choice in 2024, that trump's many legal problems may be eroding his support within the GOP. This poll indicates the reverse may be happening. As trump is indicted and then tried he may actually gain support in the GOP, making him even more likely to emerge as their presidential candidate in 2024.

You look back at the way he has behaved over the past couple weeks...Republican voters are liking this? :boggled:

Ex-Boss: "You can't make this stuff up!"
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I don't think poll numbers right now mean a whole lot.

One thing for sure, there's more drama to come.
 
newyorkguy said:
You look back at the way he has behaved over the past couple weeks...Republican voters are liking this? :boggled:
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Even if they're not liking it, per say, one of the longstanding mainstays of Republican propaganda is the theme of "Us vs Them." So, naturally, if they can spin it as an attack on them and their group, as they've been actively trying to do all along, this honestly shouldn't be too unexpected, regardless of how well deserved. Quite literally, the Republican Party has a history of even rallying around brazen murderers and traitors for similar reasons. Thus, support within the Republican Party was ever likely to rise, at least initially (though hopefully only initially, much as one shouldn't hold their breath). Support among Democrats has been so low that changes are unlikely to matter much, of course. Support among Independents, as diverse a group as that encompasses, is more likely to take a hit, on the other hand.

It's also worthy of note that support among Democrats would very likely drop in a similar situation with a Democratic Party candidate, of course. The Republican Party and the Democratic Party attract distinctly different sorts of people from the start, after all.
 
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The Republicans need to take a lesson from the Democrats about how to rig primaries against the candidate the people prefer. In the case of Trump & DeSantis, they could even use the Democrats' favorite line from last time, "ELECTABLE!", and it would actually be true this time.
 
The problem with trump is the way the presidential vote is tabulated in the U.S. Remember, he won in 2016 despite losing the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. He lost in 2020 by 7 million votes but came within about 120,000 votes of winning in the electoral college. Reason why trump was/is so frustrated.

In 2020 with a swing of about 120,000 votes in four states -- Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- trump would have won the Electoral College vote which is based on the number of states the candidate wins, not the total popular vote. With those 120,000 votes in those four states trump could still have lost the popular vote by almost 7 million yet he'd be president right now.

trump doesn't need to win the overall vote -- and the GOP knows this -- if he wins all the red states and the key battleground states. Those are the places where, after news of him being indicted came out, he seems to be picking up strength. Behind the scenes the GOP knows how vindictive trump is. If he runs for the Republican nomination and loses he is almost certain to retaliate against the Republican Party any way he can. And as Tucker Carlson once wrote, trump "is the undisputed world champion [for] destroying things."

This is almost certain to keep getting more crazy not less. :(
 
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newyorkguy said:
The problem with trump is the way the presidential vote is tabulated in the U.S. Remember, he won in 2016 despite losing the popular vote by almost 3 million votes. He lost in 2020 by 7 million votes but came within about 120,000 votes of winning in the electoral college. Reason why trump was/is so frustrated.

In 2020 with a swing of about 120,000 votes in four states -- Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- trump would have won the Electoral College vote which is based on the number of states the candidate wins, not the total popular vote. With those 120,000 votes in those four states trump could still have lost the popular vote by almost 7 million yet he'd be president right now.

trump doesn't need to win the overall vote -- and the GOP knows this -- if he wins all the red states and the key battleground states. Those are the places where, after news of him being indicted came out, he seems to be picking up strength. Behind the scenes the GOP knows how vindictive trump is. If he runs for the Republican nomination and loses he is almsot certain to retaliate against the Republican Party any way he can. And as Tucker Carlson once wrote, trump "is the undisputed world champion [for] destroying things."

This is almost certain to keep getting more crazy not less. :(
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Yes I understand that is how the US election system is. That is to say, I can learn that by heart. Understand it I never will.

Hans
 
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