Cont: The Trump Presidency (XXX)

[Stacyhs]

The scary part. Micki Larson-Olsen is a retired US Air Force Master Sgt. I didn't see that coming! In 2007 she deployed to Iraq. She's married with two kids. Thirteen things about Micki Larson-Olsen Conandaily link

Larson-Olsen without the wig and shades.

I would not be surprised at all if she has a history of mental problems. She's a QAnon conspiracy theory nut.

 

[MRC_Hans]

I would not be surprised at all if she has a history of mental problems. She's a QAnon conspiracy theory nut.

Well, a military background does not really mean any special level of sanity. The military certainly has its share of nuts.

Hans

 

[Stacyhs]

Well, a military background does not really mean any special level of sanity. The military certainly has its share of nuts.

Hans

True. Look at Teixeira, Flynn, and many J6ers who were either ex- or current military members.

 

[Trebuchet]

True. Look at Teixeira, Flynn, and many J6ers who were either ex- or current military members.

Quite senior ones, even.

 

[Aridas]

Well, a military background does not really mean any special level of sanity. The military certainly has its share of nuts.

Hans

IIRC, the military is actually one of the most preferred careers by white supremacists and wannabe terrorists and insurrectionists (who just happen to generally be aligned with the Republican Party). The police, too, but that's a little less germane, here.

To poke a little further at that issue with examples -

One in five applicants to white supremacist group tied to US military

Leaked documents show that about 18 out of 87 applicants, or 21%, to Patriot Front were currently or formerly affiliated with military

And...

Pentagon report reveals inroads white supremacists have made in military
Extent of the military’s own extremism problem has yet to be tracked, Pentagon officials acknowledge

They may hopefully not represent any significant portion of the military, but that doesn't change the strategic reasons for people with those goals and mindsets to prefer such a career.

 

[Stacyhs]

IIRC, the military is actually one of the most preferred careers by white supremacists and wannabe terrorists and insurrectionists (who just happen to generally be aligned with the Republican Party). The police, too, but that's a little less germane, here.

To poke a little further at that issue with examples -

One in five applicants to white supremacist group tied to US military

Leaked documents show that about 18 out of 87 applicants, or 21%, to Patriot Front were currently or formerly affiliated with military

And...

Pentagon report reveals inroads white supremacists have made in military
Extent of the military’s own extremism problem has yet to be tracked, Pentagon officials acknowledge

They may hopefully not represent any significant portion of the military, but that doesn't change the strategic reasons for people with those goals and mindsets to prefer such a career.

The military and police attract those with a proclivity for authoritarianism and desire for power for good reasons.

 

[newyorkguy]

Robert Katzberg has been following the Jean Carroll trial for the online magazine Slate. Katzberg, a former federal prosecutor who became a white collar crime defense lawyer, does not think the trial is going well for donald trump. Of Joe Tacopina's cross examination of Carroll on Thursday, Katzberg wrote:

Judge Lewis Kaplan periodically intervened in the cross-examination, calling Tacopina’s questions repetitive and argumentative. Judge Kaplan’s frustration seemed to increase as the day wore on. “We’ve been up and down the mountain. Move on.”...Late in the afternoon, when Tacopina asked Carroll to provide details about the dress she wore the day of the alleged assault, Kaplan immediately interjected and excused the jury for the day. Not exactly the impression Team Trump wanted the jury to be left with on the way home. Slate article link

 

[Lurch]

How many times does now open Fascism have to punch Americans in the face before we realize that law does not solve problems when explicit and open totalitarianism is now the law?

I have this dreadful feeling that today's USA is in something reminiscent of the condition of late 1920s Germany. And the sickening fear that a rhyming of history is all too possible.

 

[Delvo]

One in five applicants to white supremacist group tied to US military

Leaked documents show that about 18 out of 87 applicants, or 21%, to Patriot Front were currently or formerly affiliated with military

And...

Pentagon report reveals inroads white supremacists have made in military
Extent of the military’s own extremism problem has yet to be tracked, Pentagon officials acknowledge

Weird... I didn't know things like "Patriot Front" had application processes. How governmenty/bureaucratic of them!

I've also heard stories of members of the armed forces in positions of authority essentially treating Christianity (or something else like it) as a compulsory part of the job, like telling lower-ranking members that they are required to attend weekly religious services and/or consult with a chaplain regularly, trying to force/compel them to go to big traveling megachurch-like events equivalent to concerts or comedy shows and come up with ways to punish them or threaten them with punishment for not going, and including on their routine health assessments not only "physical health" and "mental health" categories but also a "spiritual health" category in which the only way to show that you're spiritually healthy is to go through religious ceremonies. (That last one was from decades ago and might be gone now.)

 

[Blue Mountain]

I have this dreadful feeling that today's USA is in something reminiscent of the condition of late 1920s Germany. And the sickening fear that a rhyming of history is all too possible.

I think various institutions in the States (Congress, the military, even an increasingly right-wing judiciary and police) are stronger than they were in 1920s Germany. Also, the Weimar Republic suffered a serious hyperinflation between 1920 and 1923.

The Wikipedia article List of countries by Fragile States Index has the USA at #140 on its list (#1=Yemen ["basket case"], #179=Finland ["Stable as Precambrian granite"].)

Looked at in reverse, as a list of stable states, the USA ranks 40. Which is pretty good, actually, for all its problems. (In this ranking, Finland is 1, New Zealand is 4, Canada is 9, Germany 13, Australia 14, and relatively unstable Greece is 56. At the other end we see China at 82, Russia at 105, India at 111, and Haiti at 169.)

Sadly, for me it's not inconceivable that a future hard-right president, with the support of both Congress and the military, could suppress the constitution, make himself president for longer than he's entitled to, and start actively suppressing the media and rounding up dissidents.

Should that happen, it's extremely difficult to predict how individual states would react. Strongly Democratic states could well resist efforts by federal forces to round up citizens and send them to camps, and could continue making available news that other states wouldn't allow to be broadcast.

 

[Norman Alexander]

IIRC, the military is actually one of the most preferred careers by white supremacists and wannabe terrorists and insurrectionists (who just happen to generally be aligned with the Republican Party). The police, too, but that's a little less germane, here.

To poke a little further at that issue with examples -

One in five applicants to white supremacist group tied to US military

Leaked documents show that about 18 out of 87 applicants, or 21%, to Patriot Front were currently or formerly affiliated with military

And...

Pentagon report reveals inroads white supremacists have made in military
Extent of the military’s own extremism problem has yet to be tracked, Pentagon officials acknowledge

They may hopefully not represent any significant portion of the military, but that doesn't change the strategic reasons for people with those goals and mindsets to prefer such a career.

Think of this from the white supremacist movement's POV. They want mindless drones with guns and the ability to use them to further their totalitarian objectives. So where better to train them for free? In fact, the US military will PAY them to be trained as useful idiots.

So could it be that these "patriot" movements are have recruited followers before they join the military, and are actually encouraging them to join up in order to get suitable training with weapons and tactics. Perhaps moreso than ordinary military people being recruited into the "patriot" movements after joining the ranks?

 

[Aridas]

Weird... I didn't know things like "Patriot Front" had application processes. How governmenty/bureaucratic of them!

I've also heard stories of members of the armed forces in positions of authority essentially treating Christianity (or something else like it) as a compulsory part of the job, like telling lower-ranking members that they are required to attend weekly religious services and/or consult with a chaplain regularly, trying to force/compel them to go to big traveling megachurch-like events equivalent to concerts or comedy shows and come up with ways to punish them or threaten them with punishment for not going, and including on their routine health assessments not only "physical health" and "mental health" categories but also a "spiritual health" category in which the only way to show that you're spiritually healthy is to go through religious ceremonies. (That last one was from decades ago and might be gone now.)

At last check, attempts at crap like that just keep happening. Not without some resistance, though. The MRFF or Military Religious Freedom Foundation has been performing at least some of that resistance, for that matter.

I think various institutions in the States (Congress, the military, even an increasingly right-wing judiciary and police) are stronger than they were in 1920s Germany. Also, the Weimar Republic suffered a serious hyperinflation between 1920 and 1923.

Yes. However, Trump's first term definitely significantly weakened many of the institutions. There was also talk from Republicans with supposed inside information about the Trump Administration planning to engage in "shock and awe" tactics to break them down even further, should Trump manage to remain President for a second term. I, for one, happen to be glad not to be faced with that scenario at present.

So could it be that these "patriot" movements are have recruited followers before they join the military, and are actually encouraging them to join up in order to get suitable training with weapons and tactics. Perhaps moreso than ordinary military people being recruited into the "patriot" movements after joining the ranks?

At last check, yes, that is happening. White supremacist groups are recommending those like-minded to go for the military and/or the police. As said, military training is useful for those who want to be prepared to kill/rebel/otherwise gain power by force. Police, of course, can repeatedly murder, harass, and otherwise suppress undesirables usually without consequence and generally serve as a useful support for efforts to further their agenda. I can't really speak directly to the mostly chicken or mostly egg issue you raise, though.

 

[Tero]

If Trump wants to move along with party plans he will have to pick up on this 15 week ban. It's a defining trend for the GOP.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...vided-abortion-democrats-united-2024-election
So it will be ban abortion for all after 15 weeks but allow states to ban even earlier.

 

[Darat]

I would not be surprised at all if she has a history of mental problems. She's a QAnon conspiracy theory nut.

That's now a mainstream republican position, so can we still say QAnon belief is a sign of mental health issues?

 

[Mike!]

That's now a mainstream republican position, so can we still say QAnon belief is a sign of mental health issues?

I'm okay with that.

 

[MRC_Hans]

That's now a mainstream republican position, so can we still say QAnon belief is a sign of mental health issues?

Yes. Sad, but obvious.

Hans

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I have this dreadful feeling that today's USA is in something reminiscent of the condition of late 1920s Germany. And the sickening fear that a rhyming of history is all too possible.

I would say Germany c. November 1932, except the people about to let the new Hitler into power are themselves nazis.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

I think various institutions in the States (Congress, the military, even an increasingly right-wing judiciary and police) are stronger than they were in 1920s Germany. Also, the Weimar Republic suffered a serious hyperinflation between 1920 and 1923.

The Wikipedia article List of countries by Fragile States Index has the USA at #140 on its list (#1=Yemen ["basket case"], #179=Finland ["Stable as Precambrian granite"].)

Looked at in reverse, as a list of stable states, the USA ranks 40. Which is pretty good, actually, for all its problems. (In this ranking, Finland is 1, New Zealand is 4, Canada is 9, Germany 13, Australia 14, and relatively unstable Greece is 56. At the other end we see China at 82, Russia at 105, India at 111, and Haiti at 169.)

Sadly, for me it's not inconceivable that a future hard-right president, with the support of both Congress and the military, could suppress the constitution, make himself president for longer than he's entitled to, and start actively suppressing the media and rounding up dissidents.

Should that happen, it's extremely difficult to predict how individual states would react. Strongly Democratic states could well resist efforts by federal forces to round up citizens and send them to camps, and could continue making available news that other states wouldn't allow to be broadcast.

That's a false rating. The US judiciary is at a level of illegality that Germany didn't achieve until the late 1930's. More than half the state governments are de facto one party dictatorships and, as a result, the national government is not far behind. Demonisation of minorities is at the same level as Germany in 1936 and getting worse. The military, or at least a significant part of it, was a hair's breadth from joining the Jan 6 coup. One of the two parties in the country is an openly national socialist organisation. And finally the media is not free in any meaningful sense of the word, being under the thumb of billionaires, most of whom are friendly with the national socialist party.

If the US doesn't fall to dictatorship soon, it'll likely fall to civil war.

 

[Lurch]

I think various institutions in the States (Congress, the military, even an increasingly right-wing judiciary and police) are stronger than they were in 1920s Germany. Also, the Weimar Republic suffered a serious hyperinflation between 1920 and 1923.

The Wikipedia article List of countries by Fragile States Index has the USA at #140 on its list (#1=Yemen ["basket case"], #179=Finland ["Stable as Precambrian granite"].)

Looked at in reverse, as a list of stable states, the USA ranks 40. Which is pretty good, actually, for all its problems. (In this ranking, Finland is 1, New Zealand is 4, Canada is 9, Germany 13, Australia 14, and relatively unstable Greece is 56. At the other end we see China at 82, Russia at 105, India at 111, and Haiti at 169.)

Sadly, for me it's not inconceivable that a future hard-right president, with the support of both Congress and the military, could suppress the constitution, make himself president for longer than he's entitled to, and start actively suppressing the media and rounding up dissidents.

Should that happen, it's extremely difficult to predict how individual states would react. Strongly Democratic states could well resist efforts by federal forces to round up citizens and send them to camps, and could continue making available news that other states wouldn't allow to be broadcast.

In the 'rhyming' department, one of the political parties is incontrovertibly amti-democratic. And is in the business of stoking fear, hate and division. The fickle electorate, already prone to irrational swings of the pendulum, is only one October surprise away from buying in and signing away its rights.

 

[Lurch]

That's a false rating. The US judiciary is at a level of illegality that Germany didn't achieve until the late 1930's. More than half the state governments are de facto one party dictatorships and, as a result, the national government is not far behind. Demonisation of minorities is at the same level as Germany in 1936 and getting worse. The military, or at least a significant part of it, was a hair's breadth from joining the Jan 6 coup. One of the two parties in the country is an openly national socialist organisation. And finally the media is not free in any meaningful sense of the word, being under the thumb of billionaires, most of whom are friendly with the national socialist party.

If the US doesn't fall to dictatorship soon, it'll likely fall to civil war.

It seems that it's more the case that those who are outside, like us, who adopt a more alarming assessment of American decline.

Structural weaknesses like the Electoral College and politicians appointing judges are time bombs in waiting. The highest court of the land has been a long term project, now successfully turned into an organ of a political party, already flexing its muscle and ACTIVELY rolling back established rights. If that alone does not put Americans' hair on fire, the end is not far off.

The false sense of democratic durability via the 'checks and balances' is utterly misplaced if not buttressed with active measures to continually address the necessarily inherent chinks being exploited and widened by nefarious minds.

 

[Aridas]

It seems that it's more the case that those who are outside, like us, who adopt a more alarming assessment of American decline.

It's not only those outside, of course. Many of those within the US who raise alarms are evaluated through more... political lenses, though, with a measure of American pride tossed in.

 

[Stacyhs]

That's now a mainstream republican position, so can we still say QAnon belief is a sign of mental health issues?

I'd say so. In fact, I'd say that Trump attracts people with mental health problems. Interview after interview with Trump rally attendees who talk about not GOP policies, but absolutely crazy conspiracy theories support that. No one in their right minds would believe this stuff, but they do. Here's a good example:

 

[The Man]

In the 'rhyming' department, one of the political parties is incontrovertibly amti-democratic. And is in the business of stoking fear, hate and division. The fickle electorate, already prone to irrational swings of the pendulum, is only one October surprise away from buying in and signing away its rights.

Pish posh, the electorate is just too fickle. No need to have such flaky people sign away their rights. You take over state legislatures and boards of election and just legislate those rights out of such fickle fingers.

Vote whenever there is any kind of election, your local governments affect your lives and votes more directly.

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Rhyming parallels with Germany in the 1930’s are unavoidable. There’s a short book I read, I think called “How Democracies Die”, and we’ve certainly started down that path.

Also chilling is the gradual creeping towards the world foretold by “The Handmaid’s Tale” - people not seeing it as a cautionary tale but as a roadmap. Hopefully not a spoiler to recount that one of the first scenes is a couple trying to flee into Canada from Gilead - what the US had degenerated into. Now at least one US state - Montana? Minnesota? - has proposed a law making it a crime to cross into another state to get an abortion. Texas passed a law requiring the Ten Commandments in every classroom. Capital punishment for abortion providers - and recipients (!) has even been suggested. Too many other creeping encroachments into autocracy/theocracy to list.

I’m not panicing - yet - but I am becoming concerned.

 

[Segnosaur]

One small example is on the one hand, her not even being able to pin down the year that it happened. Weird, but perhaps understandable. But now, decades later, she suddenly recalls it was on a Thursday. As skeptics, we all know how false memories work - every time you dredge up a memory and put it away again, it gets stored in a slightly modified form. Knowing Trump, I believe the gist of her story. But have to wonder about the details.

I wonder if her suddenly remembering the date is due to being able to put some of the events into context.

For example, she may have recalled "I normally shop on this day of the week", or "I remember going home afterwards and seeing a particular show on TV". That would make her remember the day of the week that the event occurred on, but not the year.

 

[novaphile]

I wonder if her suddenly remembering the date is due to being able to put some of the events into context.

For example, she may have recalled "I normally shop on this day of the week", or "I remember going home afterwards and seeing a particular show on TV". That would make her remember the day of the week that the event occurred on, but not the year.

In my case, when trying to remember what 'year' something happened, I am typically able to place it in time, by where I was. This is because I have worked in every State Capital in Australia, and therefore events are pegged by my employment history and location.

(e.g. This group of people, therefore between 1985 and 1989)

But... If I'd always lived and worked in the same place, I'd be stuffed. In memory, everything blurs against non meaningful things like year numbers.

For example, can you remember your sixteenth birthday party?
Without looking it up, or calculating, can you remember what year it was?

Another example, I went to England in the same year as 9/11, I have to check the tickets to remember if it was before or after 9/11.

Someone not remembering a number is not particularly significant in my opinion, but it is always used by a defence to muddy the waters.

 

[Stacyhs]

I wonder if her suddenly remembering the date is due to being able to put some of the events into context.

For example, she may have recalled "I normally shop on this day of the week", or "I remember going home afterwards and seeing a particular show on TV". That would make her remember the day of the week that the event occurred on, but not the year.

Very possible. Our memories, especially of violent trauma, can be very fickle. We tend to protect ourselves by trying to forget, or even forgetting, some details. Sometimes a trigger, such as you described, can being some of them back.

 

[bruto]

Very possible. Our memories, especially of violent trauma, can be very fickle. We tend to protect ourselves by trying to forget, or even forgetting, some details. Sometimes a trigger, such as you described, can being some of them back.

It seems quite reasonable to me. The longer you live, the more there is to remember and forget, and sometimes you can pin a thing down by remembering what car you were driving or what you were doing in school, or what songs were playing on the radio, and until that little memory clicks, it's easy to be off by a year or so.

 

[newyorkguy]

As Jean Carroll takes the stand for the third day, trump attorney Joe Tacopina has filed for a mistrial.

Trump had argued that Judge Lewis Kaplan had made “pervasive unfair and prejudicial rulings” against him. In a letter filed overnight Monday, Trump attorney Joe Tacopina said alternatively he would ask Kaplan to “correct the record for each and every instance in which the Court has mischaracterized the facts of this case to the jury” or provide him greater leeway in cross examining Carroll. CNN news link

CNN is also reporting that the judge has denied the mistrial request.

The Washington Post is reporting that Tacopina seems to be zeroing in on proving Carroll is making up the allegations as revenge on donald trump. From the Post's live updates:

E. Jean Carroll is now being asked about her encounter with anti-Trump lawyer George Conway at a party in which he discussed the possibility of her suing Donald Trump after she’d gone public with the story.
“Before that, you had no intention of suing Donald Trump as we just heard?” Joe Tacopina asked, citing comments Carroll made in her 2022 deposition.
“Not really,” she said. Washington Post link

 

[newyorkguy]

Tacopina also asked Carroll at today's hearing, why she isn't suing Les Moonves, the former head of CBS, whom Carroll claims groped and molested her in an elevator. (Moonves ultimately was forced to resign after six women accused him of sexual assault.) Maybe Tacopina didn't like the answer he got:

Earlier Monday, Tacopina asked Carroll why she never sued former CBS head Les Moonves after he denied her claim that he once sexually assaulted her in an elevator.
“He simply denied it,” Carroll explained of Moonves. “He didn’t call me any names. He didn’t say I was an operative of the democratic party. He didn’t say I was running a scam,” she continued. “He didn’t grind my face into the mud like Donald Trump did.” New York Post news link

Attorney Joe Tacopina walks past demonstrators on his way to court.

 

[Gulliver Foyle]

It seems that it's more the case that those who are outside, like us, who adopt a more alarming assessment of American decline.

Structural weaknesses like the Electoral College and politicians appointing judges are time bombs in waiting. The highest court of the land has been a long term project, now successfully turned into an organ of a political party, already flexing its muscle and ACTIVELY rolling back established rights. If that alone does not put Americans' hair on fire, the end is not far off.

The false sense of democratic durability via the 'checks and balances' is utterly misplaced if not buttressed with active measures to continually address the necessarily inherent chinks being exploited and widened by nefarious minds.

It's been a relatively rare event that the Supreme Court has been on the side of the angels when you look at its historical rulings (especially with respect to minorities and labour rights).

 

[Mongrel]

I suppose it’s possible. I still have trouble envisioning it. Might just be a limitation on my part.

Don't forget to to take Freeze or Fawn reactions into account, people react to high stress situations in a variety of inconsistent, & often self-defeating, ways.
We all know how we'd like to react to situations but until the **** hits the fan we don't know what's going to happen

 

[Fast Eddie B]

Don't forget to to take Freeze or Fawn reactions into account, people react to high stress situations in a variety of inconsistent, & often self-defeating, ways.
We all know how we'd like to react to situations but until the **** hits the fan we don't know what's going to happen

Granted.

As an aside, I wonder if Carrol’s lawyers can bring up Trump’s rally and travels during the trial in closing arguments. Of course, he has a legal right not to appear and do whatever he wants in its stead, but it would still seem to indicate how he views the seriousness of the allegations against him. I’d think it would be permissible.

 

[Stacyhs]

Don't forget to to take Freeze or Fawn reactions into account, people react to high stress situations in a variety of inconsistent, & often self-defeating, ways. We all know how we'd like to react to situations but until the **** hits the fan we don't know what's going to happen

I agree 100%. People have a tendency to say, "I'd never do that," or "Only guilty people would do that," etc. but no one knows how they'd react to a traumatic event until they experience it. Judging others for not reacting the way you think they should is just being smug.

 

[Stacyhs]

Trump's new FB ad is, unsurprisingly, a lie.

Donald Trump started a new ad campaign on Facebook last week that insists the U.S. is doing worse under President Joe Biden. The Facebook ads even include photos trying to suggest the chaos we see in those images is a direct result of Biden’s policies. The only problem? The two most prominent photos in the ad are from Trump’s time at the White House.
The first thing people will probably notice in the ad is a photo of a burning cop car. But that photo was taken in Chicago, Illinois on May 30, 2020. Trump was president from January 20, 2017 until January 20, 2021, which means the image you’re seeing happened on Trump’s watch.

What about the image on the right of Biden, showing people wading through some water? Again, that image is from Trump’s time in office.

The photo was captured by photographer Moises Castillo and was distributed to media outlets through the Associated Press. And while Trump’s presidential campaign probably wants to make it look like the photo depicts migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, it doesn’t even depict that. The photo actually shows migrants crossing from Mexico to Guatemala.

(Forbes)

 

[MRC_Hans]

Trump's new FB ad is, unsurprisingly, a lie.

(Forbes)

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/thum_716696452bc5e558ae.jpg[/qimg]

Breaking: Trump is a liar. Film at eleven.

Hans

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Breaking: Trump is a liar. Film at eleven.

Hans

Still, sometimes it's hilarious when he does it. This is one of those times.


IIRC it's not the first time a Republican made a similar mistake. It's what they get from ripping random images off the net.

 

[Blue Mountain]

Still, sometimes it's hilarious when he does it. This is one of those times.


IIRC it's not the first time a Republican made a similar mistake. It's what they get from ripping random images off the net.

The biggest problem is the people who most need to hear about the bad pictures won't. They'll continue swallowing the lies because that's all they're getting.

 

[Mike!]

May 3 (Reuters) - Donald Trump denied raping writer E. Jean Carroll in a deposition video played on Wednesday for a Manhattan federal jury, as the former U.S. president sought to defend himself in a civil trial without testifying in person.

Former People magazine reporter Natasha Stoynoff told jurors on Wednesday that Trump cornered her at his Mar-a-Lago club in Florida in 2005 and forcibly kissed her for a “few minutes” until a butler interrupted the alleged assault.

“It really had a profound effect on me,” Stoynoff said through tears, describing the intense shame and self-doubt she said she felt after the encounter.

Another woman, Jessica Leeds, testified on Tuesday that Trump kissed her, groped her and put his hand up her skirt on a flight in 1979.

And the Access Hollywood tape was played as well.

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump...stimony-played-during-civil-trial-2023-05-03/

 

[Stacyhs]

https://www.reuters.com/legal/trump...stimony-played-during-civil-trial-2023-05-03/

How dare all these women lie about The Chosen One!