The Theory of Relativity will begin to fall apart in 2016/2017

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Bjarne: Still does not understand the ISS and Galileo 5 and 6 tests

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15 September 2016 Bjarne: You still do not understand the ISS and Galileo 5 and 6 tests :eye-poppi!
  • The upcoming Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space (the ISS test) is a test of General Relativity
    The Wikipedia article is outdated - launch in August 2017, not 2016: ISS Utilization: ACES (Atomic Clock Ensemble in Space) / PHARAO
    Launch: A launch of the ACES/PHARAO platform aboard a Dragon capsule of SpaceX (CRS-13) is scheduled for August 2017.

    Orbit: Near-circular orbit of the ISS, mean altitude of ~400 km, inclination of 51.6º, period of ~ 90 minutes.

    The planned duration of the mission is 18-36 months. First 6 months are reserved for functionality verification of instruments and performances evaluation. The first objectives are to study the performances of this first cold atom space clock and reach frequency accuracy lower than 3 x 10-16 (with a final goal at 10-16) and deliver a timescale with 25 ps/day stability. The microwave link will have to demonstrate the capability to perform phase comparisons between space and ground clocks with a resolution at the level of 0.3 ps over one ISS pass (300 s), 7 ps over 1 day, and 23 ps over 10 days.
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  • The ongoing Galileo 5 and 6 test is a test of General Relativity. It does not measure any acceleration - not even "perigee acceleration".
15 September 2016 Bjarne: You still do not understand the real world where even if there are results that do not agree with GR, a delusion is still wrong :jaw-dropp!
 
Bjarne: This is a lie because there were no Galileo 5 and 6 navigation errors

Bjarne said:
For example take a look of Galileo 5 and 6.

It’s not a secret that there are many navigation errors.
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15 September 2016 Bjarne: This is a lie because there were no Galileo 5 and 6 navigation errors.
Galileo 5 and 6 arrived in the wrong orbits because their upper stage failed. That is 1 equipment failure. Galileo satellites set for year-long Einstein experiment
Galileos 5 and 6 were launched together by a Soyuz rocket on 22 August 2014. But the faulty upper stage stranded them in elongated orbits that blocked their use for navigation.
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Bjarne: A lie of "2. Synchronize the clock" for GPS satellites

Bjarne said:
I learned it all in the kindergarten.
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You learned to lie about science in the kindergarten, Bjarne :p?
15 September 2016 Bjarne: A lie of "2. Synchronize the clock" for GPS satellites.
GPS clocks are adjusted for SR and GR before launch.
 
Bjarne: A "many have begun to understand that something smells" lie

Bjarne said:
No no my friend, I think many have begun to understand that something smells.
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15 September 2016 Bjarne: A "many have begun to understand that something smells" lie.
No rational person thinks that there will be large differences between GR and the ACES and Galileo 5 & 6 experiments because they already know is that there is enormous evidence for SR and GR. Including existing GPS satellites already debunking your delusion that the results will be gigantic amounts different.

That does not mean that SR and GR are the final theory of relativity. It means that any better theory of relativity will have to match all of that enormous body of evidence. That better theory will also have to match new data better! That is why we need to test "the last digit on the minus 12 scale have to be 5 or 6" to expose the possibility of a better theory.
 
Bjarne said:
Soon hindsight can very well show that the almost the entire human race have been victims for scientific bungling.

I know now this is difficult to believe, but things can fast change
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Apparently not as at least one thing here has been wrong for almost seven years!!!!!!!!!:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp:jaw-dropp
 
Sort of Bjarne's version of Pascal's Wager: "You will feel so stupid if Bjarne turn's out to be right!"

.... Well, I suppose I will, but I can live with the risk.

Hans
 
Reality Check said:
You learned to lie about science in the kindergarten, Bjarne :p?
15 September 2016 Bjarne: A lie of "2. Synchronize the clock" for GPS satellites.
GPS clocks are adjusted for SR and GR before launch.
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Rubbish, if this was true you should forecast the exact time it take to launch satellites into orbit, as well as delay problems
You should also take into account several influences impacting aticking clock, such as different speed, - acceleration, - and different GR effect during all the time a launch takes.
 
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Reality Check said:
15 September 2016 Bjarne: You still do not understand the ISS and Galileo 5 and 6 tests :eye-poppi!
15 September 2016 Bjarne: You still do not understand the real world where even if there are results that do not agree with GR, a delusion is still wrong :jaw-dropp!
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Thanks for the link.
OK 2017
 
Reality Check said:
15 September 2016 Bjarne: A "many have begun to understand that something smells" lie.
No rational person thinks that there will be large differences between GR and the ACES and Galileo 5 & 6 experiments because they already know is that there is enormous evidence for SR and GR. Including existing GPS satellites already debunking your delusion that the results will be gigantic amounts different.

That does not mean that SR and GR are the final theory of relativity. It means that any better theory of relativity will have to match all of that enormous body of evidence. That better theory will also have to match new data better! That is why we need to test "the last digit on the minus 12 scale have to be 5 or 6" to expose the possibility of a better theory.
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Completely derailed
 
Bjarne said:
Rubbish, if this was true you should forecast the exact time it take to satellites into orbit, as well as delay problems
You should also take into account several influences of the ticking clock, such as different speed, - acceleration and different GR effect during all the time a launch takes.
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That only works if orbits are perfectly predictable post launch. They aren't. There is always some degree of uncertainty.
 
halleyscomet said:
When given the choice between actual work to prove your theory and Internet meme insults, you chose the insults.

That tells me more about YOUR faith in your ideas than I think you intended to reveal.
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Its not insulting anyone, but just a warning not blindly to follow the (m)asses
History shows how bad that can go
 
Bjarne said:
Rubbish, if this was true you should forecast the exact time it take to launch satellites into orbit, as well as delay problems
You should also take into account several influences impacting aticking clock, such as different speed, - acceleration, - and different GR effect during all the time a launch takes.
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Ah, good thinking, but wrong. The speed of the clock is adjusted, but the time is set after launch. A clock both has to keep time and show the correct time.

If you buy a Rolex Chronograph and set it ten minutes off, it will keep time perfectly, but it will stay ten minutes off.

If you buy a watch for a dollar at a flea-market that does not work at all, it will show the correct time twice a day.

Hans
 
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MRC_Hans said:
Ah, good thinking, but wrong. The speed of the clock is adjusted, but the time is set after launch. A clock both has to keep time and show the correct time.

Hans
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Rubbish, do you really believe you can set the speed of a atomic clock ?
 
Bjarne said:
Rubbish, do you really believe you can set the speed of a atomic clock ?
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The read-out, you mean? Of course you can.

A Cesium clock runs at 9 192 631 770 Hz, which is obviously of little practical use, so you have to have a frequency division device. And that can be adjusted.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
The read-out, you mean? Of course you can.

A Cesium clock runs at 9 192 631 770 Hz, which is obviously of little practical use, so you have to have a frequency division device. And that can be adjusted.

Hans
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Read out is adjusted all the time
 
MRC_Hans said:
And you know this how?

Bjarne why would they install an expensive, super-precise atomic clock, if it was being adjusted all the time?

Try to think, OK?

Hans
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And what would you use to adjust it all the time with anyway, another expensive, super-precise atomic clock that has to be adjusted all the time itself?


Clearly it's expensive, super-precise atomic clocks all the way down!
 
Bjarne said:
Its not insulting anyone, but just a warning not blindly to follow the (m)asses

History shows how bad that can go
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Yep. Creationists use the same argument to insist "Darwinists" will be proven wrong once and for all any day now.

Sometimes your ideas are in the minority because they're crap.
 
halleyscomet said:
Yep. Creationists use the same argument to insist "Darwinists" will be proven wrong once and for all any day now.

Sometimes your ideas are in the minority because they're crap.
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Yep, just blindly following your own musings can be worse than following most others. At least in the latter there is some mutual agreement. However, in Bjarne's case he often just doesn't agree with only himself. So unless the number of people who agree with a certain idea can actually go negative, there's just nowhere lower to go.
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
No we won't.

I predict that by the end of 2017 you will either shift goalposts, claim 'they' are hiding the facts from everyone else, or just plain stop posting.
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I suspect that last option is not all that realistic. Chances are he will carry on posting.
As usual.
Having learned nothing.
As usual.
 
MRC_Hans said:
And you know this how?

Bjarne why would they install an expensive, super-precise atomic clock, if it was being adjusted all the time?

Try to think, OK?

Hans
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This is not what I say, clocks read out are synchronized
 
Bjarne said:
This is not what I say, clocks read out are synchronized
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This is what I say: Dark Flow will never be detected because the buffer overflows are vulcanized.

See? Anyone can spew absurd, scientifically illiterate nonsense completely divorced from reality and insist it's true without any evidence to back it up, just like you.

MRC_Hans said:
Why would you need expensive atomic clocks if you are synchonizing the read outs?



Hans
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Because his theology requires it to be so, regardless of how absurd the premise is.
 
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Bjarne said:
Thanks for the link.
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You mean the link I have you weeks ago and that you still cannot understand, Bjarne?
This is the real world of the ACES experiment on General Relativity:
Launch in August 2017.
6 months of calibration (early 2018).
18-36 months of operation = at least early 2019 before data is available to be analyzed.
Scientists write a paper and get it published means that the earliest we can expect the results is late 2019.

Bjarne analyzes the data - never because you are incapable of doing the mathematics or physics involved, e.g. you have still no idea about the orbit of the ISS or how to include it in your dark flow delusion..
 
Bjarne: Launching satellites is nothing to do with your lie about GPS clocks

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19 September 2018 Bjarne: Launching satellites is nothing to do with your lie that GPS clocks have to synchronized.

The physical fact is that GPS satellites have the SR and GR adjustments made before launch because they are assigned specific orbits.
 
Reality Check said:
You mean the link I have you weeks ago and that you still cannot understand, Bjarne?

This is the real world of the ACES experiment on General Relativity:

Launch in August 2017.

6 months of calibration (early 2018).

18-36 months of operation = at least early 2019 before data is available to be analyzed.

Scientists write a paper and get it published means that the earliest we can expect the results is late 2019.



Bjarne analyzes the data - never because you are incapable of doing the mathematics or physics involved, e.g. you have still no idea about the orbit of the ISS or how to include it in your dark flow delusion..
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I don't think he actually believes any of this himself. If he did, he'd be chomping at the bit to use the GPS correction data to prove his theology. Instead, he delays and delays, constantly putting the "proof" off to increasingly distant tests and reports. He exhibits not the behavior of someone with a theory to prove but of an "end times" prophet seeking to keep Armageddon just far enough away to bring in donations but not so far away he can't keep people terrified of it.
 
Bjarne: A lie from you about science is completely on topic

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Completely derailed
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19 September 2016 Bjarne: A lie from you about science is completely on topic.

Knowledgeable people know about the enormous evidence for GR, e.g. the recent detection of gravitational waves. They expect more accurate experiments on GR to give similar results to the existing experiments. Thus your "many have begun to understand that something smells" is a lie.

Deluded people deny the fact that GPS works with satellites in many (incusing polar) orbits. That shows that SR and GR are not measurably affected by your dark flow delusion.
 
Bjarne: Repeated ignorance that GPS clocks are adjusted for SR and GR before launch

Bjarne said:
Rubbish, do you really believe you can set the speed of a atomic clock ?
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Complete ignorance, Bjarne, because that is exactly how SR and GR are accounted for in GPS satellite clocks :jaw-dropp!
GPS: Special and General Relativity
To compensate for the discrepancy, the frequency standard on board each satellite is given a rate offset prior to launch, making it run slightly slower than the desired frequency on Earth; specifically, at 10.22999999543 MHz instead of 10.23 MHz.[16]
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If you ever bother to read that Wiki page then you will learn that most of the compensation for sources of error (e.g. atmospheric effects) is done by the GPS receivers.

19 September 2016 Bjarne: Repeated ignorance that GPS clocks are adjusted for SR and GR before launch.
 
Bjarne said:
This is not what I say, clocks read out are synchronized
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The Man said:
Yep, just blindly following your own musings can be worse than following most others. At least in the latter there is some mutual agreement. However, in Bjarne's case he often just doesn't agree with only himself. So unless the number of people who agree with a certain idea can actually go negative, there's just nowhere lower to go.
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Well, I thought that Bjarne's propensity toward Cognitive Dissonance beggared belief, but what do you call it when a poster posts links to material they purport to contain evidence supporting their view, and it turns to be evidence that refutes their view? Other than Stupid of course!
 
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