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[Continuation] The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 9

I watched some of those Putin shills that Childlike Empress used to like linking to here so you don't have to, just to see what the Russian line is on Trump's "peace deal". There is still no backing down from the original demands of "deNazification" and that they haven't made these sacrifices to throw it all away when total victory is so close.
 
Is the redeployment of Russian resources from Syria to Ukraine likely to be significant?
 
sphenisc said:
Is the redeployment of Russian resources from Syria to Ukraine likely to be significant?
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According to Wiki:

As of 2024, the Russian operational group in Syria consisted of special forces units, base security units, and part of an Air Force unit, maintained on a rotational basis.
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Russian intervention in the Syrian civil war - Wikipedia

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Whilst a number of special forced units may be a short term benefit to Russia, it's not like tens of thousands of battle-hardened troops are suddenly available to serve in Ukraine.
 
a_unique_person said:
Putin's shills are always touting his worldwide genius in the fight against the evil west. Now he looks like a fool.
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I don’t think so. Putin will just use these setbacks to stress how the fight against the evil West is a matter of life and death, and that there can be no relaxation.
 
The Don said:
Whilst a number of special forced units may be a short term benefit to Russia, it's not like tens of thousands of battle-hardened troops are suddenly available to serve in Ukraine.
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And the battle environment in Syria has been with practically no resistance, whereas the environment in Ukraine is much more lethal. The troops may need different training if they had only been stationed in Syria.
 
Yeah, the Russian milbloggers seem to be taking it badly, like some kind of Saigon moment. Gives the impression Russia had more of its own prestige invested in Syria than I appreciated. I'm slightly anxious for the Ukrainians that Putin looking like a loser will mean Putin looking for something to call a win.
 
Running away can be painted as a victory?

I suppose the two orphan submarines that can't get back to their Black Sea base and now have nowhere to resupply in the Med are doing a victory lap.
 
Dr.Sid said:
3 days operation taking 3 years can be. 750k losses can be. So why not Syria ? Repeat it's a victory 100 times, people will believe it. It worked so far.
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It worked for who? On who? No one outside of Russia considers it a victory. People inside of Russia don't know any better, and their opinion of the situation isn't all that important. We know they won't revolt so let them believe whatever they'd like.
 
plague311 said:
It worked for who? On who? No one outside of Russia considers it a victory. People inside of Russia don't know any better, and their opinion of the situation isn't all that important. We know they won't revolt so let them believe whatever they'd like.
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Also the people in Russia who do know better (i.e., the ones in charge) have to know it's not a victory. Moscow is worse off in pretty much every possible way, as a result of this. Ukraine could still lose, but this has gone past the point where Moscow could win.
 
plague311 said:
It worked for who? On who? No one outside of Russia considers it a victory. People inside of Russia don't know any better, and their opinion of the situation isn't all that important. We know they won't revolt so let them believe whatever they'd like.
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It was reaction on Russian bloggers being angry with the results. They are not angry about how it goes so far. And it does matter a lot, as basically only way out of this is some form of uprising against Putin.
 
Andy_Ross said:
Running away can be painted as a victory?
I suppose the two orphan submarines that can't get back to their Black Sea base and now have nowhere to resupply in the Med are doing a victory lap.
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Well, there was Dunkirk, but you probably have to be British to pull of that trick.
 
Dunkirk, The Long March, Russia's move East of their industrial base.
All examples of retreats that kept a country in a war and enabled victory later.
Different to both the USA and Russia leaving Afghanistan, USA running from Vietnam, Russia running from Syria etc.
 
CHurchill himself was careful to point uut that an sucessful evacuation is not a victory
what Dunkirk did was got let Britian keep a trained army to resist an invasion..which led to the Battle Of Britian wheich WAS a Victory. And an important one.
 
3point14 said:
It's viewed as a success.

If you squint and turn your head sideways, it looks like the same thing.
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"Salvaging something from the debacle" is not the same as "claiming this as a victory", unless you really hate Britain and want to piss over its people past and present by spreading falsehoods about what British people, as a whole, think and feel.
 
Cosmic Yak said:
"Salvaging something from the debacle" is not the same as "claiming this as a victory", unless you really hate Britain and want to piss over its people past and present by spreading falsehoods about what British people, as a whole, think and feel.iT Hi
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It has become fashionable among some Brits to basically bad mouth Churchill and try to downgrade him
Yes, Churchill had flaws and he made quite a few mistakes, (he has some pretty bad strategic ideas..like an invasion of the Balkans as a back door to Berlin) but what he did from 1940 to 1941 alone earns him a place as one the great Englishman.
 
dudalb said:
It has become fashionable among some Brits to basically bad mouth Churchill and try to downgrade him
Yes, Churchill had flaws and he made quite a few mistakes, (he has some pretty bad strategic ideas..like an invasion of the Balkans as a back door to Berlin) but what he did from 1940 to 1941 alone earns him a place as one the great Englishman.
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The Dardanelles attack was based on the stupid, racist assumption that they were attacking the soft underbelly.
 
dudalb said:
It has become fashionable among some Brits to basically bad mouth Churchill and try to downgrade him
Yes, Churchill had flaws and he made quite a few mistakes, (he has some pretty bad strategic ideas..like an invasion of the Balkans as a back door to Berlin) but what he did from 1940 to 1941 alone earns him a place as one the great Englishman.
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made some speeches?
 
dudalb said:
It has become fashionable among some Brits to basically bad mouth Churchill and try to downgrade him
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Come on, we all know Churchill got where he was on sex, sex, sex. He just couldn't help being a saucy minx, and people responded to that. Fortunately we are much more sophisticated today.
 
The president-elect criticised Ukraine's use of US-supplied missiles for attacks on Russian territory, comments that suggest he could alter his country's policy toward the eastern European state.

"It's crazy what's taking place. It's crazy. I disagree very vehemently with sending missiles, hundreds of miles into Russia," Trump said.
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Poor Russia.

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Five takeaways from Donald Trump's interview with Time magazine

Here are the key points from the discussion that followed the announcement of the president-elect as the 2024 Person of the Year.
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Russia on Friday launched a massive aerial attack against Ukraine, involving dozens of cruise missiles and drones.

The Russian military targeted the Ukrainian power grid, the energy minister, Herman Halushchenko, wrote on his Facebook page. “The enemy continues its terror,” he said.

Halushchenko said energy workers did everything necessary to “minimise negative consequences for the energy system”, promising to release further details on damages once the security situation allows it.
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www.theguardian.com

Russia launches huge attack on Ukraine with dozens of cruise missiles and drones

Russian military strikes targeted Ukrainian power grid, according to country’s energy minister
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It is more important now than ever for the European countries to fund and help Ukraine scale up their own production of missiles. People living in the hope that Donald is going to stand up to Putin are at best naive IMO. I'd love to be proved wrong.
 
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