Dr.Sid
Philosopher
We had 300k like 1 month back ? Now we're nearing 350k. That's indeed astonishing.
We had 300k like 1 month back ? Now we're nearing 350k. That's indeed astonishing.
Another 10 million and Putin might even consider it noteworthy.![]()
In Nam, US troops often, perhaps usually in some areas, rode on top of M113s, using sandbags for some degree of protection. This was due chiefly to the danger of mines.
Putin won't notice that, because he'll either be long since defenestrated, or partying up in UAE well before Russia hits 10 mil casualties.
You think Russia can absorb casualties that are a third of their male military age population?!
Last I heard, roughly half of Russia's military budget is currently being used to try to attract bodies for the meat grinders. That's quite the burden and it's one that's only been increasing as things get worse and worse for Russia in Ukraine.
Either way, if Ukraine can weather this Russian offensive with Russia gaining as little and as slowly as Russia has been, that does help set conditions for Ukraine to make notable gains as the Russian assault peters out.
No, the 10 million figure was hyperbole on my part but 2 or 3 million maybe.
Then again the Soviet Union had more than double the 10 million in total casualties (including civilians) and the Russians consider that a great victory.
Either way, Russia has 10+ years more operating at these loss levels IMO before there's even a squeak of protest.
Well considering that Russian front line troops are cuurently equvalent of thr Volksturm units of the Battle of Berlin, 2 million is a massive exaggeration.
PS the USSR's losses in WW2 mostly happened amomgst the subjugated peoples of Ukraine, eastern Poland and the Baltic states. Outside of St Petersburg and Volgagrad ethnic Russians suffered very light casualties.
Well considering that Russian front line troops are cuurently equvalent of thr Volksturm units of the Battle of Berlin, 2 million is a massive exaggeration.
PS the USSR's losses in WW2 mostly happened amomgst the subjugated peoples of Ukraine, eastern Poland and the Baltic states. Outside of St Petersburg and Volgagrad ethnic Russians suffered very light casualties.
Here’s the critical sentence from that declassified report. “[redacted] 2022, Russian military officials proposed delaying the Russian withdrawal from Kherson until after the midterms to avoid giving a named US political party a perceived win before the election.”
Finally, on Nov. 8, everything seemed to happen at once. Reports of Russia’s retreat seemed to be coming in by the minute. They were gone from one position, fleeing from another, and often leaving equipment behind in their haste to depart. What happened on that day that finally delivered the final straw to this long-suffering camel? Nov. 8 was Election Day in the United States.
Not only did Russian forces go tumbling back from their positions on Nov. 8, but one day later, Russia officially announced that it was withdrawing from Kherson city and the area west of the Dnipro River.
According to Wikipedia, the Russians themselves were about half the casualties. By percentage of the regional population the 5 other Soviet republics suffered worse than the Russians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties_of_the_Soviet_Union
I can't imagine they'd leave them empty for long.
Vietnam war started in '55, Korea started in '50, the BMP-1 didn't even start service until '66. So yeah, you find previous doctrines before the IFV is even invented
it's like saying, but, hey, they didn't use airplanes in the Franco-Prussian war
Well, d'oh![]()
Is either side winning this war?
Moscow has already lost. It remains to be seen if Ukraine will win.
I myself am hopeful. Moscow eventually withdrew from Afghanistan. Moscow gave up its Warsaw Pact vassals. Bleed them enough, and I think Moscow must sooner or later give up Ukraine.
The only question is, do you support this happening sooner rather than later?
Russian supply is a main target, they are the ones with sketchy supply lines. Old man winter in that region is brutal. Even if they send the troops enough food and issued winter gear there is no guarantee it's going to get to front lines.
Ukrainian troops just having warm clothes, food and ample munitions is a huge advantage.
Russian conscripts are not going to be comparable even if in greater numbers.
Those events happened under a leader who did not want to see himself as a dictator, but actually wanted to improve the lives of the citizens.I myself am hopeful. Moscow eventually withdrew from Afghanistan. Moscow gave up its Warsaw Pact vassals. Bleed them enough, and I think Moscow must sooner or later give up Ukraine.
Exactly the same thing was being said last year but sadly the Russian line largely held through the winter. Hopefully this winter will be different.
I'm not that optimistic (but then again I never am), Russia has just launched a big offensive involving up to 100,000 men at multiple points along the Eastern front.
That bridgehead seems to have a lot more staying power than I expected. I figured that as soon as it became a nuisance, Moscow would send a BTG, and the Ukrainians would withdraw.
I expected the bridgehead either to grow or fail. Neither appears to be happening.
It must be an especially dismal part of the front line with the extra stress of having the river at your back constraining how you can move. I'm sure I also read of the Marines' frustration that the bridgehead they secured isn't being exploited by regulars, and wondering why they bothered to capture it.
I expected the bridgehead either to grow or fail. Neither appears to be happening.
It must be an especially dismal part of the front line with the extra stress of having the river at your back constraining how you can move. I'm sure I also read of the Marines' frustration that the bridgehead they secured isn't being exploited by regulars, and wondering why they bothered to capture it.
I think Ukraine is waiting on additional aid packages passing Congress before deciding on any major offensives. Without it, they cannot afford any losses. They need to husband all they can for defensive purposes.
According to several news articles, Ukraine has been scaling back some operations due to a lack of aid.
Like I said, waning Western support isn't for Trump or anything else in the future. It's happening now.
They are short of ammo already. I loathe the so called "freedom" caucus.I think Ukraine is waiting on additional aid packages passing Congress before deciding on any major offensives. Without it, they cannot afford any losses. They need to husband all they can for defensive purposes.
Moscow has already lost. It remains to be seen if Ukraine will win.
I myself am hopeful. Moscow eventually withdrew from Afghanistan. Moscow gave up its Warsaw Pact vassals. Bleed them enough, and I think Moscow must sooner or later give up Ukraine.
The only question is, do you support this happening sooner rather than later?
Moscow withdrew from Afghanistan after far fewer casualties, spread out over a far longer time, from a polity with almost twice the population of current Russia and with a far better control of the media and information.