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Cont: The Russian Invasion of Ukraine part 8

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The casino master doesn't care how long it takes. Even if the gambler wins he only gets a tiny payout each time.

Whereas he's gambling huge stakes ATM..

Mathematically it's only a matter of time before he can't match the next bet

The analogy fails because there is no casino owner, only the person Russia is betting against and that person is reliant on his friends for most of his chips. Russia wouldn’t win against a mythical casino with infinite resources, but Ukraine is not that.
 
Elements under the 1GTA banner are back on the front line. It's pretty obvious that the premier anti-NATO armored corps is no more.

Was it ever really a peer, or near peer, force ?

The 1GTA's performance, like that of (almost ?) all of the Russian Army's units was much less than expected at modern manoeuvre warfare. This is why the Russian Army reverted to their tried and tested methods of flattening cities with artillery and then following up with infantry - advancing glacially slowly.

The 1GTA last year was not as effective as it needed to be for swift victory, but it was at least able to trade lives and equipment for real gains, before finally being rendered combat ineffective and thrown back.

And this seems to still be the Russians' approach, to exchange acceptable (to them) losses in men and materiel for acceptable (to them) gains in territory.

For sure the gains are orders of magnitude higher than would be acceptable for Western forces and the gains are orders of magnitude lower, but that's what the Russians have settled for. The things that the west is learning about the Russian Army are:

  • It's not a peer or near peer force at all, they are still mired in WWII tactics
  • Their units can sustain higher levels of losses than comparable western units and remain in the field
  • Their units can be more easily reconstituted, not least because the bar is so much lower

Troops under the 1GTA banner today are being thrown into the fight as "Storm Z" formations - under-equipped, under-supported light infantry meat waves. There's a notable lack of tanks in the 1st Guards Tank Army, nowadays. Just because the head office still sends out memos on the same letterhead, in an effort to convince observers that the department in question still exists, that doesn't mean the department in question still exists.

You're absolutely right they're now a fundamentally different unit with much lower capabilities, but the current approach is much more closely aligned to the tactics that Russia is using, and what they're capable of doing. The 1GTA is in the field and it's doing the job that the Russian Army want it to.

It's certainly possible to take a unit off the front line, restore it to full effectiveness, and return it to the front. Moscow has given us no reason to think they've actually accomplished that, at any point during this war.

It doesn't need to be at full effectiveness, it merely needs to be effective enough to do the job it's currently being asked to do - sending men in "meat waves" to make tiny incremental gains.
 
Elements under the 1GTA banner are back on the front line. It's pretty obvious that the premier anti-NATO armored corps is no more.

The 1GTA last year was not as effective as it needed to be for swift victory, but it was at least able to trade lives and equipment for real gains, before finally being rendered combat ineffective and thrown back.

Troops under the 1GTA banner today are being thrown into the fight as "Storm Z" formations - under-equipped, under-supported light infantry meat waves. There's a notable lack of tanks in the 1st Guards Tank Army, nowadays. Just because the head office still sends out memos on the same letterhead, in an effort to convince observers that the department in question still exists, that doesn't mean the department in question still exists.
It's certainly possible to take a unit off the front line, restore it to full effectiveness, and return it to the front. Moscow has given us no reason to think they've actually accomplished that, at any point during this war.

It looks as though tankers themselves are being used as Storm Z infantry. Which would be too much of a waste of resources even for the Russian army, if they had appropriate armour to put them in.
 
The analogy fails because there is no casino owner, only the person Russia is betting against and that person is reliant on his friends for most of his chips. Russia wouldn’t win against a mythical casino with infinite resources, but Ukraine is not that.

You could have said that at the beginning of the war

But this is late into it. Russia is doubling down so hard and is losing chips at such a rate that it cannot be sustainable. At some point they're not going to be able to match the stake

And as to the friends that are helping.. NATO alone spends more money on their military complex than I think Russia's entire GDP ATM.

It wasn't a perfect analogy I know but it's not completely broken
 
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We've been wondering if Moscow has any generals who know what they're doing, and whether they could make a difference if they were in charge.

Today, the UK MOD reports that Russian state-backed media reports that the deputy commander in Ukraine "has likely personally taken over command of Russia's Dnipro Grouping of Forces.

Colonel General Teplinsky had previously commanded operations in the Dnipro area, including the orderly withdrawal of Russian forces from the west bank of the Dnipro last year. His new assignment comes as Ukrainian forces have started contesting the east bank of the river.


https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/17kge8o/uk_ministry_of_defence_daily_ukraine_update_31/
 
The amount of troops and equipment Moscow is committing to this active defense is, to me, another indicator that the Ukrainian counteroffensive is probably going to plan and achieving the desired results.

I doubt the Ukrainians are much fussed, if the Russians want to step forward out of their defenses and into a kill zone, and call it an "advance".
 
The amount of troops and equipment Moscow is committing to this active defense is, to me, another indicator that the Ukrainian counteroffensive is probably going to plan and achieving the desired results.

I doubt the Ukrainians are much fussed, if the Russians want to step forward out of their defenses and into a kill zone, and call it an "advance".

Lambs to slaughter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/17kgil9/avdiivka_massacre/

And it appears Russia has now lost the all important garbage heap.

https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/31-october-the-avdiivka-waste-heap-is-fully-controlled-by
 
Zeno's invasion grinds inexorably onward, one infinitesimal "advance" at a time.

They'll only need to suffer about 4 billion combat casualties, fire a trillion artillery rounds, and lose 200 million tanks to take the remaining 400,000 or so sqkm of Ukraine. Russian grit and determinism will prevail!



Gettin low on tanks!
 
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Denys Davydov considers the fate of Avdiivka.

Russian forces are focusing on cutting off the supply lines and are making slow progress.

 
I'm fairly sure that Ukraine could afford to eventually lose Avdiivka, and already has plans for the next line of defense. The only important place they could bomb from there is Donetsk city, and I don't get the impression they have any intention of doing that. It wasn't even really a part of their attack vectors lately.

It's more important to the Russians because they can't say they control the whole oblast (county), and it IS threatening the city in the future.

Basically the most important part at the moment is that the Russians are willing to bleed and lose equipment there. Which is good for Ukraine, but if it eventually falls, 100,000 dead Russians later, it's not like Ukraine loses the war or anything.
 
It may be that Russia thinks if it can get Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea then that's enough to sell to the home crowd and it can call for a ceasefire at that border. If Putin pinkie promises he has no further territorial claims in Europe then they might reckon they can find enough countries to fall for it that the stalemate gets locked in.
 
It's also possible that he wants to have something to tell his population for the elections in March 2024. Not that he NEEDS that to win the elections, since it's a dictatorship, but it might make it look less like blatant cheating :p
 
It may be that Russia thinks if it can get Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea then that's enough to sell to the home crowd and it can call for a ceasefire at that border. If Putin pinkie promises he has no further territorial claims in Europe then they might reckon they can find enough countries to fall for it that the stalemate gets locked in.
Too bad he has already formally annexed other oblasts.

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Pretty sure he formally annexed that one too, even though nobody else recognized it, and he wasn't occupying all of it. Like, even put it in the Russian constitution that they own Donbass and Donetsk.

You know, kinda like me proclaiming that my imaginary cat is real, even if everyone else thinks I'm a nutcase :p
 
Too bad he has already formally annexed other oblasts.

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Well, yes. He's made it horribly difficult to back down. It's really only if he accepts he's just never going to conquer all the land he's claimed *and* that he can't sustain fighting for them that he'll grasp the nettle and make some kind of excuse for settling for less. I'm sure he can devise some bull **** along the lines of suggesting Ukraine give up claims to the bits Russia wants and Russia 'graciously' reciprocating by giving up bits they never captured anyway in the interests of peace and fraternity etc. The question is, if he tries that, will Ukraine's supporters fall for it and push them to take the deal? I hope not, but I'm not confident.
 
Sources like https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/11...raine-without-giving-up-occupied-territories/ and have recently said things like "Most Russians (70% of respondents) are ready to support Putin’s decision to end hostilities in Ukraine, but on condition that all occupied territories remain under Russian control.".

So I can well imagine the current Russian plan being to try desperately to "fill out" the regions they stole out to their borders, then declare victory and internationally blame Ukraine if the shooting doesn't stop.

(Except, looking at that item, the percentages don't seem to change much over time.)
 
One thing Putin and Zelensky seem to agree on is that it doesn't matter how many Russians are killed in this war!
 
Ouch. Another brutal day for Russia.

As of 02 Nov 2023, the approximate losses of weapons and military equipment of the Russian Armed Forces from the beginning of the invasion to the present day:

Personnel: 302420 (+930)
Tanks: 5241 (+18)
APV: 9877 (+43)
Artillery systems: 7292 (+42)
MLRS: 850 (+4)
Anti-aircraft systems: 566 (+3)
Aircraft: 322 (+1)
Helicopters: 324
UAV: 5488 (+20)
Cruise missiles : 1549 (+2)
Warships/boats: 20
Submarines: 1
Vehicles and fuel tanks: 9658 (+34)

Also, Special equipment at 1032(+13).
 
Ouch. Another brutal day for Russia.

Also, Special equipment at 1032(+13).

Good news !

On the other hand, despite (or perhaps because of) these losses, they continue to advance glacially slowly towards encircling Avdiivka whilst at the same time launching a large, but fortunately unsuccessful, attack on Vuhledar.

I know I keep harping on about it but we are told that the Russian Army is short of men and materiel, that their logistics and tactics are terrible, that morale in the ranks is terrible, that they have hollowed out their army (especially their elite and training battalions) and that they are on the brink of collapse. The trouble is that we've been hearing this for close to 18 months and the Russians keep on coming.
 
Good news !

On the other hand, despite (or perhaps because of) these losses, they continue to advance glacially slowly towards encircling Avdiivka whilst at the same time launching a large, but fortunately unsuccessful, attack on Vuhledar.

I know I keep harping on about it but we are told that the Russian Army is short of men and materiel, that their logistics and tactics are terrible, that morale in the ranks is terrible, that they have hollowed out their army (especially their elite and training battalions) and that they are on the brink of collapse. The trouble is that we've been hearing this for close to 18 months and the Russians keep on coming.

As far as Avdiivka I haven't seen any significant Russian gains on deepstatemap or isw since Oct 24 (a couple of miniscule ones since). In fact clicking back thru dates on deepstatemap, Ukraine made minor gains on Nov 1.

The Russian army is still capable of throwing away men and equipment in failed offensives. Thats true, but also not something to brag about.

ETA: the US House of Reps playing politics is my biggest fear at the moment.

ETA2: we have ample evidence that the highlighted is true.
 
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I know I keep harping on about it but we are told that the Russian Army is short of men and materiel, that their logistics and tactics are terrible, that morale in the ranks is terrible, that they have hollowed out their army (especially their elite and training battalions) and that they are on the brink of collapse. The trouble is that we've been hearing this for close to 18 months and the Russians keep on coming.

To be clear, was any of that actually invoked in my post? Or is it just you jumping to it?
 
Good news !

On the other hand, despite (or perhaps because of) these losses, they continue to advance glacially slowly towards encircling Avdiivka whilst at the same time launching a large, but fortunately unsuccessful, attack on Vuhledar.

I know I keep harping on about it but we are told that the Russian Army is short of men and materiel, that their logistics and tactics are terrible, that morale in the ranks is terrible, that they have hollowed out their army (especially their elite and training battalions) and that they are on the brink of collapse. The trouble is that we've been hearing this for close to 18 months and the Russians keep on coming.
A Ukrainian general may agree with you:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...utin?page=with:block-6543608b8f08d1827a66a412
Zaluzhny states:

The war is now moving to a new stage: it is now in a “positional” warfare of static and attritional fighting, as in the first world war, and no longer an example of “manoeuvre” warfare of movement and speed
This“will benefit Russia, allowing it to rebuild its military power, eventually threatening Ukraine’s armed forces and the state itself”
Russia’s air force has taken “huge losses” with over 550 air-defence systems destroyed, but it maintains “a significant advantage … and continues to build new attack squadrons”
However, Russia’s air-defence systems increasingly prevent Ukrainian planes from flying, with Ukrainian defences doing the same to Russia.
As a result Russian drones have taken over a large part of the role of manned aviation in terms of reconnaissance and air strikes.........


Conclusion

Russia will have superiority in weapons, equipment, missiles and ammunition for a considerable time
Military production from Nato is increasing but production can take a year or two, in the case of aircraft and command-and-control systems
A prolonged positional war carries “enormous risks to Ukraine’s armed forces and to its state”
To prevent that Ukraine needs: air superiority, improved electronic-warfare and counter-battery capabilities, new mine-breaching technology and the ability to mobilise and train more reserves
Zaluzhny states:

New, innovative approaches can turn this war of position back into one of manoeuvre
He said that the tactic of driving down Russian resources has failed, that they need a new approach, as they are locked in a WWI style positional warfare. They need innovation, such as new drones, mine clearing, etc.

A more detailed article is in the Economist, but behind a paywall:
https://www.economist.com/by-invita...f-ukraines-armed-forces-on-how-to-win-the-war

Or here:
https://www.euractiv.com/section/gl...-to-static-attritional-phase-says-army-chief/
 
It may be that Russia thinks if it can get Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea then that's enough to sell to the home crowd and it can call for a ceasefire at that border. If Putin pinkie promises he has no further territorial claims in Europe then they might reckon they can find enough countries to fall for it that the stalemate gets locked in.

Putin does not make any kind of agreements. There has not been any cease fire. They may stop fighting but always come back.

Let us see who signs treaties.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia–Chechnya_Peace_Treaty

Yeltsin!
 
American journalist thinks that the people around Zelensky are losing faith in a victory. This article by Simon Schuster of Time claims that Zelensky is gradually the only one around him who believes in victory.

“We’re not moving forward,” says one of Zelensky’s close aides. Some front-line commanders, he continues, have begun refusing orders to advance, even when they came directly from the office of the President. “They just want to sit in the trenches and hold the line,” he says. “But we can’t win a war that way.”

Another problem is that the Ukrainian army has been drained of manpower:
In some branches of the military, the shortage of personnel has become even more dire than the deficit in arms and ammunition. One of Zelensky’s close aides tells me that even if the U.S. and its allies come through with all the weapons they have pledged, “we don’t have the men to use them.”
It has eroded the ranks of Ukraine’s armed forces so badly that draft offices have been forced to call up ever older personnel, raising the average age of a soldier in Ukraine to around 43 years.
 
It may be that Russia thinks if it can get Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea then that's enough to sell to the home crowd and it can call for a ceasefire at that border. If Putin pinkie promises he has no further territorial claims in Europe then they might reckon they can find enough countries to fall for it that the stalemate gets locked in.

I would also add that even if they get the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts completely, they also need the Zaporizhia and Kherson oblasts to actually have a land corridor to Crimea. Otherwise they're pretty much back to square 1.

And it's kinda hard to claim control over Kherson oblast, when they don't even own the capital, Kherson city.

Like, what are going their peace terms even gonna be? "Give us more land or we'll bleed all over your new uniforms?" :p
 


Thanks, very informative.

But I wonder why Zelensky has let him stay around for two weeks - twice, given his strong pro-Russian view before the war. If his first piece was not pro-Ukrainian, or at least neutral, why let him come back a year later?

I haven’t read his first interview with Zelensky, but I gather from the article in a Danish newspaper, that led me to post this, that he had been quite glowing about Zelensky, and the effect he had on his people.

I also wonder that if Shuster wrote a piece about why Russia would never invade Ukraine, then how has he reacted to the actual invasion?
 
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