Ed The Madeleine McCann Case.

If the German prosecutor is certain Brückner kidnapped and killed Madeleine McCann then he should charge him. They have investigated him for three years - since it came to light he raped the 72-year-old woman in a burglary - trial by tabloid newspaper might be fine for appealing for further witnesses but whatever happened to the principle 'innocent until found guilty'. He hasn't even been charged. Germany has strict privacy laws but the German prosecutor has cynically let Brückner's name be publicised and vilified world wide. However, what if he is innocent of the 'Maddie' disappearance? Does the fact that he is a crook of the lowest sort mean he is less entitled to proper process?
 
Madeleine is dead, murdered by this guy. Not sure why people question this.
 
Samson said:
Madeleine is dead, murdered by this guy. Not sure why people question this.
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It is rare that I agree with your opinions, but I do with this. In addition, I have never believed her parents were guilty of anything other than bad parenting.
 
wasapi said:
It is rare that I agree with your opinions, but I do with this. In addition, I have never believed her parents were guilty of anything other than bad parenting.
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Bad parenting is very rare in this world of the perfect on this thread.
And opinions are of no interest in murder stories, but facts are.
 
Samson said:
Madeleine is dead, murdered by this guy. Not sure why people question this.
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I'm gobsmacked.

You call for the innocence on the sketchiest evidence is some cases, and here you are calling for this bloke to banged up because he's a bad guy.

Let's get some evidence before we find him guilty, eh?
 
The German prosecutors don't want to charge Brückner because as soon as they do, he and his defence lawyers are legally entitled to understand the probable cause (the so-called 'concrete' evidence).

In the meantime, it strikes me as grossly unethical and irresponsible to link this man to every unsolved child murder in Europe, with the mass media treating him as though he is already guilty.

The latest example is the claim be could be responsible for the murder of 13-year-old Tristan Brübach, murdered in broad daylight in a tunnel near Frankfurt Station. People are claiming the photofit 'looks just like Brückner.' However Brückner has pixie ears and is slightly cross-eyed. The three boys who provided the photofit of the guy stalking Tristan the day he was murdered said he appeared to have had some kind of harelip operation. Now, a harelip is something that is difficult to not notice and Brückner certainly does not have one.

Now I know the German police are guessing. The boy in the underpass Tristan was killed by serial killer Manfred Seel. It had his MO all over it: an accomplished butcher with a sharp butchers knife/cannabalism/sadism and in addition, he placed Tristan's shoes on his chest, which he did with another of his victims by neatly folding her underwear nearby her head. Criminologists see this type of action as a kind of acknowledgement that their victim was a person. Seel kept at least two of his victims for many years and when he moved, their bodies in containers moved with him, indicating a personal attachment.

The way Tristan was killed in broad daylight indicates someone experienced in that sort of thing, ie., a serial killer such as Seel. In addition, it was in Frankfurt near the station - Seel's stomping ground in 1998 (?) when CB would have been 24.

There might be a drug dealer connection there but for all his disgusting crimes I haven't seen any evidence or indication he crossed over the line into child kidnap and murder.

The prosecutor, Christian Hans Worlters claims he has 'concrete' evidence MM is dead and it turns out yesterday, this was based on statistical probability which anybody is free to calculate, and her being dead is just his #personal opinion' (shared by half the population). He also claims to be withholding a key piece of evidence, which I bet is Brückner bragging in a bar and a forum that he knew how 'Maddie' died.

Let's see what happens next.
 
The Atheist said:
I'm gobsmacked.

You call for the innocence on the sketchiest evidence is some cases, and here you are calling for this bloke to banged up because he's a bad guy.

Let's get some evidence before we find him guilty, eh?
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Why?
He was there, and he clearly did it.
The problem always persists on these threads, simple cases are portrayed as complex.
 
zooterkin said:
You know this, how?
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I simply invoke the principle it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
In scores of cases this solves the riddle. It is more egregious to encourage conspiracy and imagine multiple candidates.
 
Samson said:
I simply invoke the principle it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
In scores of cases this solves the riddle. It is more egregious to encourage conspiracy and imagine multiple candidates.
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Well, this should reduce the cost of policing and the justice system.
 
What concerns me is that this guy might well have done it, but if they can't get enough evidence to charge him that will leave the field open to the conspiracy theorists accusing the parents of murder in perpetuity.
 
The Germans will need to charge him soon (or the Portuguese or Brits*) or his defence lawyers will have a point of law to appeal on, re prejudice to his case in that how can he have a fair trial if everybody has been told he is a prolific serial child kidnapper and killer?

*AIUI it is not even within German jurisdiction.
 
Rolfe said:
What concerns me is that this guy might well have done it, but if they can't get enough evidence to charge him that will leave the field open to the conspiracy theorists accusing the parents of murder in perpetuity.
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You're assuming that his being convicted would dissuade conspiracists from accusing the parents. You might want to rethink that assumption. :(
 
From a couple of days ago, but I don't see it in this thread. The German police appear to have notified Bruckner in 2013 that he was under suspicion, giving him plenty of time to dispose of any evidence.

According to a report in the news weekly Der Spiegel, Brückner received a letter from police in Braunschweig on 4 November 2013 inviting him to be interviewed as a witness in the “missing person case Madeleine McCann”.

Braunschweig police had sent the letter after noticing Brückner’s history of sexual offences following a routine request by the German Federal Office for Criminal Investigation.

Officers cited by Der Spiegel describe the letter as a mistake, saying such a high-profile case would have required investigators to gather more evidence before approaching a suspect. “This should not have happened and in no way complies with common procedure in such a delicate case,” said one.
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SpitfireIX said:
You're assuming that his being convicted would dissuade conspiracists from accusing the parents. You might want to rethink that assumption. :(
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Fair point. But it would at least choke off some of the wild speculation from those not completely lost to reason.
 
Samson said:
I simply invoke the principle it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
In scores of cases this solves the riddle. It is more egregious to encourage conspiracy and imagine multiple candidates.
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Sweet effing jeebus, the hypocrisy, it burns....
Do you actually read the garbage you post about Bamber? And you have the gall to say that it's "more egregious to encourage conspiracy and imagine multiple candidates".
:rolleyes::eek::confused::boggled::eye-poppi:covereyes:boxedin::jaw-dropp
 
catsmate said:
Sweet effing jeebus, the hypocrisy, it burns....
Do you actually read the garbage you post about Bamber? And you have the gall to say that it's "more egregious to encourage conspiracy and imagine multiple candidates".
:rolleyes::eek::confused::boggled::eye-poppi:covereyes:boxedin::jaw-dropp
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Yes. So far I stand by all threads I started in this sub forum. You post no information I have seen to challenge me, I think this case looks strong against the suspect, but too soon for the noose I will concede.
I find it vanishingly unlikely the German police would be as pig ignorant as the Italians and the Portugese in these cases.
 
Samson said:
I simply invoke the principle it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.
In scores of cases this solves the riddle. It is more egregious to encourage conspiracy and imagine multiple candidates.
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Oh, the sweet irony in you posting that.
 
Samson said:
Yes. So far I stand by all threads I started in this sub forum. You post no information I have seen to challenge me, I think this case looks strong against the suspect, but too soon for the noose I will concede.
I find it vanishingly unlikely the German police would be as pig ignorant as the Italians and the Portugese in these cases.
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Ah, so it is pure nationalism.
 
Nick Pisa is claiming that a European Arrest Warrant shows Brückner was kickstarting a drug dealing project in a North German resort, for which he was convicted, coinciding with when MM 'disappeared'.

DRUG RAP Madeleine McCann suspect Christian B left Portugal days before her disappearance to set up drugs network
EXCLUSIVE
Nick Pisa
17 Jun 2020, 23:00Updated: 17 Jun 2020, 23:46
CHIEF suspect Christian B left Portugal just days after Madeleine McCann vanished to set up an illegal drugs network.

A European Arrest Warrant reveals he fled back to Germany to sell cannabis bought with cash and gems stolen on the Algarve.
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Vixen said:
Nick Pisa is claiming that a European Arrest Warrant shows Brückner was kickstarting a drug dealing project in a North German resort, for which he was convicted, coinciding with when MM 'disappeared'.
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Odd.
Your quotes have him leaving just before and just after
her disappearance.
 
Vixen said:
Nick Pisa is claiming that a European Arrest Warrant shows Brückner was kickstarting a drug dealing project in a North German resort, for which he was convicted, coinciding with when MM 'disappeared'.
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Fled to Germany just after a serious crime was committed. Now where have I heard that story before ....?
 
Planigale said:
Fled to Germany just after a serious crime was committed. Now where have I heard that story before ....?
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He was hardly fleeing, he was setting up in business, albeit an illegal one, of selling cannabis.

This is according to the Germans' own European Arrest Warrant paperwork.

The paperwork, obtained exclusively by The Sun, was used to hold paedophile Christian B when he fled to Italy in 2018.

It said he and a man named as Alexander Zaspel had been shipping drugs to the northern German holiday isle of Sylt.

Christian B used cash from the Algarve burglaries to buy two kilograms 8,000 Euro worth of marijuana from a source in Berlin and with Zaspel sold it for 10,000 Euro.

With the profit they bought a further eight kilograms of marijuana making another 16,000 Euro and the drugs were supplied to pubs and clubs on the German holiday island of Sylt popular with footballers and VIPs.
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CHIEF suspect Christian B left Portugal just days after Madeleine McCann vanished to set up an illegal drugs network.
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New information that Madeleine disappeared to set up a drug network. :D
 
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