The Jan 6 Investigation (2)

The Great Zaganza said:
Stone has said similar things many, many times.
That's what makes it both likely to be true and jin- actionable, legally.
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I know he has said simular things, but you have to prove this one tape is real, I have been attacked by the Crazy Altright myself they are insane and think they are above the Law because they have money and power.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Stone has said similar things many, many times.
That's what makes it both likely to be true and jin- actionable, legally.
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Stone and his associates were telling everyone they were going to do a Coup attempt on January 6th, so maybe Stone is dumb enough to get Caught on tape planning Murder.

His buddy Jerome Corsi cued me into the Coup attempt early on.
https://youtu.be/KpMCg9-Tnd0?si=2Z_FGH3ChFtVu_QW
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I know he has said simular things, but you have to prove this one tape is real, I have been attacked by the Crazy Altright myself they are insane and think they are above the Law because they have money and power.
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you only have to prove it's real if you want to build a case on it.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Where there is smoke, there might be a fire actually worth it investigating and making a case.

The conversation is probably enough to get a Judge to sign off on some surveillance.
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That would be great as these people are the Slime of Slime of Political Slime.
Accountability would be a good thing.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Where there is smoke, there might be a fire actually worth it investigating and making a case.

The conversation is probably enough to get a Judge to sign off on some surveillance.
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It is now being Invested by the FBI, Gee I keep trying to tell you people these guys tried to put a hit out on me though an alt right radical group on line.
These people are Crooks.
https://youtu.be/RQr6LdVWJkA?si=GpYw_iJK8USsmBUI
 
The Stone Recording is an interesting case. I saved the audio from the published tape and tried to test it on free AI detection sites but the only one that didn't require registering choked on it. I think the main problem is the background voices--you can look at it either as a sign of authenticity (the restaurant) or a convenient addition to attempt to fool obvious signs of fakery.

My initial hunch is that it is suspicious given that the background voices are quite loud, and they would most definitely make any sound analysis quite tricky. And it begs the question of whether someone would talk about ordering a hit in a very public setting.

A Stone website claims the audio was tested by two AI detecting companies and each found it either 95-97% likely to be fake. On the other hand, in an interview one of the targets (Swalwell) said that another company found it likely to be genuine. So of course both sides have their experts...

One would think if the FBI were investigating it should not take long to come to a determination. All they have to do is find the source and see if there is a chain of custody, and analyze the original recording; despite the new technology it should not be too challenging to get a good feel for authenticity.

I would not be at all surprised if it were legit, since Stone is evil. But I'm skeptical...go figure. It's *real* easy to produce fakes!
 
I did some more digging, since I have a bit of experience with audio,
Hitesh Ceon, an audio producer, posted on X that it was an obvious fake, citing tonal problems, especially the part where 'Stone' says "Either Swalwell or Nadler" must die...

I listened carefully--to me it simply sounds like Stone was confused on Swalwell's name, changing it to 'Stalwell' If anything, that might be a sign of authenticity.
 
Stacyhs said:
Yeah....I'll wait for AI audio experts. Some guy who's a songwriter/composer is not an expert on AI.
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Well, maybe not an expert on AI per se, but he has plenty of experience in AI generated sound. In his own tweet he published a fake Biden voice plotting murder that he created 'in five minutes' So yeah, it is most definitely easy to fake. I think more importantly the investigation has to be unbiased. I thought it was suspicious that Ceon (who of course has been quoted by Stone himself) was so quick to dismiss the tape, so I looked at his tweets and found out very quickly that he is a hater of all things 'leftist' so his conclusions are likely colored from political bias. One could read my tweets and conclude I'm a crazy leftist; the difference is I'm not coming to a quick conclusion on the tape--I think it's equally possible it could be fake or genuine. There are definitely some red flags (the delay in releasing the tapes, the quality of the recording, the source bias) but also it is not at all unlike Stone to say something that damning, so plenty of reason to believe it as well. So yep, the best we can do is wait for some real analysis to take place--if there is anything to be analyzed!
 
stanfr said:
Well, maybe not an expert on AI per se, but he has plenty of experience in AI generated sound. In his own tweet he published a fake Biden voice plotting murder that he created 'in five minutes' So yeah, it is most definitely easy to fake. I think more importantly the investigation has to be unbiased. I thought it was suspicious that Ceon (who of course has been quoted by Stone himself) was so quick to dismiss the tape, so I looked at his tweets and found out very quickly that he is a hater of all things 'leftist' so his conclusions are likely colored from political bias. One could read my tweets and conclude I'm a crazy leftist; the difference is I'm not coming to a quick conclusion on the tape--I think it's equally possible it could be fake or genuine. There are definitely some red flags (the delay in releasing the tapes, the quality of the recording, the source bias) but also it is not at all unlike Stone to say something that damning, so plenty of reason to believe it as well. So yep, the best we can do is wait for some real analysis to take place--if there is anything to be analyzed!
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I agree. It could go either way and I'll wait for the experts' report.
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree. It could go either way and I'll wait for the experts' report.
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That's the only Smart thing to do at this point, I detected no problem markers in it but the FBI has better software than I do.
It does appear to be two layers though because of the background noises.
 
Stacyhs said:
I agree. It could go either way and I'll wait for the experts' report.
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Just so everyone knows the reason I had to send Testimony to the January 6th committee is because I made several public Comments, telling people an insurrection or Civil War was coming some were Joking about it, like this one but many just asked people to stay peaceful


https://photos.app.goo.gl/scS4biPZxS1ouBFp7
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Trump missed a deadline to appeal the order he could be sued by people injured in the Jan 6 riots.

Trump misses Supreme Court deadline to fight civil immunity from Jan. 6 lawsuits

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After missing a deadline to file at the U.S. Supreme Court, Donald Trump has formally left himself exposed to civil liability lawsuits from people who wish to hold him personally accountable for his role in the violent breach of the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.
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Please, don't ever put "Donald Trump" and "exposed" in the same sentence ever again!
 
Trump's immunity appeal will be heard by SCOTUS. DC trial delayed pending ruling.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2024/02/28/supreme-court-to-hear-trump-immunity-claim-on-april-22/

Note the court will not consider immunity writ large.

The application for a stay presented to The Chief Justice is referred by him to the Court. The Special Counsel’s request to treat the stay application as a petition for a writ of certiorari is granted, and that petition is granted limited to the following question: Whether and if so to what extent does a former President enjoy presidential immunity from criminal prosecution for conduct alleged to involve official acts during his tenure in office.
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Even if the SC rules against Trump and the trial goes ahead, it will delay it for months likely preventing a conviction/acquittal before the election. If Trump is elected (shudder) and the trial doesn't conclude before Trump is sworn in, he'll order his loyalist AG to drop the charges. If convicted and he still wins the election, he will be pardon himself and every single person already convicted of Jan 6 crimes on day one. Then he'll go on his journey of revenge.
 
Stacyhs said:
Even if the SC rules against Trump and the trial goes ahead, it will delay it for months likely preventing a conviction/acquittal before the election. If Trump is elected (shudder) and the trial doesn't conclude before Trump is sworn in, he'll order his loyalist AG to drop the charges. If convicted and he still wins the election, he will be pardon himself and every single person already convicted of Jan 6 crimes on day one. Then he'll go on his journey of revenge.
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I didn't hear a lot of commentators predict SCOTUS would go that route. But SCOTUS has well and truly ****** us, unless they're coy and they have some ace up their sleeve that they're waiting to play.

In other words, we are well and truly ******.
 
Paul2 said:
I didn't hear a lot of commentators predict SCOTUS would go that route. But SCOTUS has well and truly ****** us, unless they're coy and they have some ace up their sleeve that they're waiting to play.

In other words, we are well and truly ******.
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A couple of them may well have a personal stake/goals in delaying things beyond the immediate partisan hackery. Thomas and Alito in particular. Thomas' wife being involved in treason is of note, but there's also the aspect where Thomas and Alito likely would prefer to retire during a Republican administration.

The whole premise of Trump's effort there is ridiculous and insane, of course, so this move by the SC is just yet another piece of evidence when it comes to how badly the Republican Party is subverting Justice in favor of crime and corruption. Last time I checked, it was the so-called "conservatives" behind pretty much every pro-corruption decision that I've checked, and this current group of so called "conservatives" has very much been continuing that.
 
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Aridas said:
A couple of them may well have a personal stake/goals in delaying things beyond the immediate partisan hackery. Thomas and Alito in particular. Thomas' wife being involved in treason is of note, but there's also the aspect where Thomas and Alito likely would prefer to retire during a Republican administration.
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Why prefer retiring under a Repub admin?
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
That sucks. It's absurd to equate storming the Capitol to stop certification of the votes with hypothetically blocking traffic that stopped legislators from getting to work.

Those SCOTUS justices are as biased as hell.
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Bet they'd sing a different tune if the mob had stormed the Supreme Court.
 
*Dryly* On noes how could we have foreseen that the 4 people put on the Court by Trump with them open and stated reason of covering his ass would cover his ass in the exact scenario they are there to cover his ass in.

If the last 10 years of American politics was a movie we would have walked out of it a long time ago but the Chekov's Guns are so obviously set up. It's like watching a Super Hero Movie where the sidekicks name is "Imminent Necrophilia Lad" and we've reached the scene where the Super Hero walks in on him having sex with a corpse and it's being treated like a twist.
 
William Parcher said:
Takeaways from the Supreme Court’s arguments over obstruction charge used against January 6 rioters.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/16/politics/takeaways-supreme-court-january-6-rioters
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From the referenced article:

The Supreme Court’s conservative majority indicated Tuesday that it may toss out a charge prosecutors have lodged against hundreds of people who took part in the January 6, 2021, riot on the US Capitol, a decision that could force the Justice Department to reopen some of those cases.... The court’s decision, expected by July, could have significant ramifications for some 350 people who were charged with “obstructing” an official proceeding for their part in the Capitol attack...

My hopes is that if the government has to 'reopen' any of the cases, they will take some of the individuals who received what was perceived to be "light" sentences for "obstruction of an official proceeding" and push for much more significant penalties.
 
Segnosaur said:
From the referenced article:

The Supreme Court’s conservative majority indicated Tuesday that it may toss out a charge prosecutors have lodged against hundreds of people who took part in the January 6, 2021, riot on the US Capitol, a decision that could force the Justice Department to reopen some of those cases.... The court’s decision, expected by July, could have significant ramifications for some 350 people who were charged with “obstructing” an official proceeding for their part in the Capitol attack...

My hopes is that if the government has to 'reopen' any of the cases, they will take some of the individuals who received what was perceived to be "light" sentences for "obstruction of an official proceeding" and push for much more significant penalties.
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Riiiiiiight. Because storming the Capitol and making the Congress members hide in fear for their lives wasn't "obstructing" proceedings.
 
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