The Great Coverup.

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I am virtually certain that Trump did not finance Jerome Corsi doing anything. Like, not even treating him to breakfast. If fact, I am fairly certain Jerome Corsi is Paul Pelosi's estranged lover. I'll bet you hadn't considered that Corsi's cel phone plan might have indirectly been funded by the taxpayers, if the money came from Nancy Pelosi's paycheck.

And the wall was absolutely not Corsi's idea. It had been bantered around for years, and miles were built during the Regan administration.

Actually walls were built durring the Mexican American war, what of it no one proposed a complete wall along the Entire Border until the minuteman movement. It's an Insane Idea that could never work.

https://youtu.be/mrLjSfNxc7Y?si=bh0aBjAZCuKl3kY0

 

[Thermal]

Actually walls were built durring the Mexican American war, what of it no one proposed a complete wall along the Entire Border until the minuteman movement. It's an Insane Idea that could never work.

https://youtu.be/mrLjSfNxc7Y?si=bh0aBjAZCuKl3kY0

A wall built during a war is obviously unrelated to the immigration Wall.

Lots and lots of nuts who didn't like illegal immigrants also cooked up foolish ideas about walls. Corsi didn't "come up with the idea", and he didn't even popularize it, because pretty much no one had even heard of him. Until you started obsessing about him in this thread, I hadn't even heard of him.

But that doesn't have anything to do with what we were talking about. You are saying now that you think Trump "financed" Corsi, despite no evidence whatsoever that a nickel changed hands between them.

And this originated in your claim that Corsi was a paid advisor to Trump, which is also utterly unevidenced. Your entire obsession with Corsi is blowing up his importance to a comical degree.

But as theprestige fairly pointed out, your claims about The Great Coverup are speculation. Utterly unfounded and fantasy Universe Building speculation, but you admitted as much up front. So going beyond the realm of pure fantasy, I think you still need to demonstrate that:

1) There was a Coverup
2) it was Great
3) Jerome Corsi was involved

Then we could get into the reams of factual claims you have made that have been proven to be false, including the current one on the table, that Corsi was both paid and an advisor to Donald Trump.

 

[theprestige]

What I'm still curious about is the inciting incident: RTV Moscow gave Corsi the hacked DNC material.

Corsi says he got it from Wikileaks. Both Mueller and the Senate committee seem to subscribe to this narrative. It is generally accepted that Wikileaks had the material and was willing to disseminate it. So why all this extra rigamarole?

There are some dots that can be connected if we wish. The DNC was hacked by Russians. Wikileaks and RTV were in bed together when it happened. It's plausible that RTV and Wikileaks received the material from the hackers at the same time, or that the hackers gave it to someone at RTV, who passed it on to Wikileaks. It's also plausible that the hackers gave it directly to Wikileaks, and Wikileaks passed it to RTV.

But why would RTV be so invested in getting the material to Corsi? He was already seeking it from Wikileaks. Why not just let that play out? Or just tell Assange to move more quickly on it?

I know CC has a fantasy wherein Jerome Corsi is an important linchpin in these affairs, and that his efforts were a critical part of someone's master plan to do... something. But I'm just not seeing it. As far as I can tell, he was a nobody with an axe to grind, and a vested interest in getting his hands on such material on his own initiative.

 

[Craig4]

Back to the coverup part, why does anyone think there was one? Trump asked the Russians and Chinese for the e-mails publicly. The whole thing happened in front of the eyes of the world. If there was a coverup it was poorly executed in the extreme.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

A wall built during a war is obviously unrelated to the immigration Wall.

Lots and lots of nuts who didn't like illegal immigrants also cooked up foolish ideas about walls. Corsi didn't "come up with the idea", and he didn't even popularize it, because pretty much no one had even heard of him. Until you started obsessing about him in this thread, I hadn't even heard of him.

But that doesn't have anything to do with what we were talking about. You are saying now that you think Trump "financed" Corsi, despite no evidence whatsoever that a nickel changed hands between them.

And this originated in your claim that Corsi was a paid advisor to Trump, which is also utterly unevidenced. Your entire obsession with Corsi is blowing up his importance to a comical degree.

But as theprestige fairly pointed out, your claims about The Great Coverup are speculation. Utterly unfounded and fantasy Universe Building speculation, but you admitted as much up front. So going beyond the realm of pure fantasy, I think you still need to demonstrate that:

1) There was a Coverup
2) it was Great
3) Jerome Corsi was involved

Then we could get into the reams of factual claims you have made that have been proven to be false, including the current one on the table, that Corsi was both paid and an advisor to Donald Trump.

I am looking for the video where Corsi admitted Trump financed his trip to Hawaii it hard to find because on January 8th Corsi defeated his Corsi Nation YouTube Channel.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Back to the coverup part, why does anyone think there was one? Trump asked the Russians and Chinese for the e-mails publicly. The whole thing happened in front of the eyes of the world. If there was a coverup it was poorly executed in the extreme.[/QUOTE
Because, a direct link between the Trump Campaign and GRU though RTV via
Corsi and Stone would have been Illegal.
It would have been an Impeachable offense.
We also know There was Obstruction of the Mueller investigation.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

What I'm still curious about is the inciting incident: RTV Moscow gave Corsi the hacked DNC material.

Corsi says he got it from Wikileaks. Both Mueller and the Senate committee seem to subscribe to this narrative. It is generally accepted that Wikileaks had the material and was willing to disseminate it. So why all this extra rigamarole?

There are some dots that can be connected if we wish. The DNC was hacked by Russians. Wikileaks and RTV were in bed together when it happened. It's plausible that RTV and Wikileaks received the material from the hackers at the same time, or that the hackers gave it to someone at RTV, who passed it on to Wikileaks. It's also plausible that the hackers gave it directly to Wikileaks, and Wikileaks passed it to RTV.

But why would RTV be so invested in getting the material to Corsi? He was already seeking it from Wikileaks. Why not just let that play out? Or just tell Assange to move more quickly on it?

I know CC has a fantasy wherein Jerome Corsi is an important linchpin in these affairs, and that his efforts were a critical part of someone's master plan to do... something. But I'm just not seeing it. As far as I can tell, he was a nobody with an axe to grind, and a vested interest in getting his hands on such material on his own initiative.

The Wikileaks material was released at the Same time as the Hollywood access tapes you know the Grab them by the P***y tapes and the Clinton Emails took up all the press for the first few days, that appeared to be a coordination between the Trump Campaign and Wikileaks.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...tract-access-hollywood-tape-associate-claims/

 

[Thermal]

I am looking for the video where Corsi admitted Trump financed his trip to Hawaii it hard to find because on January 8th Corsi defeated his Corsi Nation YouTube Channel.

Even if such an admission existed (and come on man, your recollections have been demonstrated to be less than reliable), that would not make Jerry a paid advisor. It might, at the very most, indicate that Trump thought it might be to his advantage to toss a few grand to some nitwit who might provide him with useful dirt against an adversary. Trump was not even a candidate when all that was going on, so it's even less significant if Trump had in fact paid for it.

Again, your personal recollections cannot be submitted as evidence. They have been shown to be deeply flawed.

 

[theprestige]

I am looking for the video where Corsi admitted Trump financed his trip to Hawaii

I think "admitted" is too strong a word to use here. I think an admission requires an established fact that is being admitted to.

If we knew for a fact that Trump financed Corsi's trip to Hawaii, then we could say that Corsi admitted it.

But Corsi saying it happened doesn't make it a fact. Corsi could be lying about how close he is to Trump, to make himself look more important. Corsi could be imagining some covered-up connection between his financiers and Trump. Etc.

CC, you clearly imagine a lot of connections between things, without evidence to support what you imagine. And you often make claims that are later shown to be... mistaken. I think the least you could do is allow for the possibility that Corsi is doing the same kinds of things as well.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Even if such an admission existed (and come on man, your recollections have been demonstrated to be less than reliable), that would not make Jerry a paid advisor. It might, at the very most, indicate that Trump thought it might be to his advantage to toss a few grand to some nitwit who might provide him with useful dirt against an adversary. Trump was not even a candidate when all that was going on, so it's even less significant if Trump had in fact paid for it.

Again, your personal recollections cannot be submitted as evidence. They have been shown to be deeply flawed.

Trump has been a Funder of One of Corsi's conservative Book Clubs for years, ever since he Married his Latest Catholic Wife, they fund a conservative book club, in her Church, those book clubs are how Corsi got Obama Nation on the best sellers list in 2008. Even though it was a book of lies.

 

[Thermal]

Trump has been a Funder of One of Corsi's conservative Book Clubs for years, ever since he Married his Latest Catholic Wife, they fund a conservative book club, in her Church, those book clubs are how Corsi got Obama Nation on the best sellers list in 2008. Even though it was a book of lies.

Utterly unrelated to anything I said.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I think "admitted" is too strong a word to use here. I think an admission requires an established fact that is being admitted to.

If we knew for a fact that Trump financed Corsi's trip to Hawaii, then we could say that Corsi admitted it.

But Corsi saying it happened doesn't make it a fact. Corsi could be lying about how close he is to Trump, to make himself look more important. Corsi could be imagining some covered-up connection between his financiers and Trump. Etc.

CC, you clearly imagine a lot of connections between things, without evidence to support what you imagine. And you often make claims that are later shown to be... mistaken. I think the least you could do is allow for the possibility that Corsi is doing the same kinds of things as well.

Corsi admitted it in the same video where he talks about the number 9 on Obama's birth certificate, and he gets what the numbers on the birth certificate are totally Wrong, he Said the number 9 is supposed to be no Information, but since your taking punched holes in an IBM punch card no Information would be simply leaving the card unpunched.

 

[Thermal]

Mr Chainsaw sir, these random titbits don't actually have anything to do with anything being discussed. Would you mind terribly addressing a point directly? Any of them. Your choice.

 

[theprestige]

Corsi admitted

I think that when you're talking about a conspiracy theory, it's misleading - dishonest - to say "admitted" about something that isn't known to be true.

Corsi may have claimed it, but how do we know he was telling the truth?

it in the same video

The video you can't find? How do we know you're telling the truth?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Even if such an admission existed (and come on man, your recollections have been demonstrated to be less than reliable), that would not make Jerry a paid advisor. It might, at the very most, indicate that Trump thought it might be to his advantage to toss a few grand to some nitwit who might provide him with useful dirt against an adversary. Trump was not even a candidate when all that was going on, so it's even less significant if Trump had in fact paid for it.

Again, your personal recollections cannot be submitted as evidence. They have been shown to be deeply flawed.

Actually Trump was talking and testing the water for à run in 2012 when this was going on and Romney went to Trump for his blessing. That was the Reason I voted for Obama in 2012.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I think that when you're talking about a conspiracy theory, it's misleading - dishonest - to say "admitted" about something that isn't known to be true.

Corsi may have claimed it, but how do we know he was telling the truth?



The video you can't find? How do we know you're telling the truth?

Trump took it upon himself to vet Barack Obama's birth certificate and sent a team to Hawaii to do that Corsi was part of that team and made the Comment there was a secret code book for IBM computer punch cards.

But corsi lies a lot like in this video.

https://youtu.be/E5BXrOqV494?si=bnLmpSoV7ydduyQ3

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I think that when you're talking about a conspiracy theory, it's misleading - dishonest - to say "admitted" about something that isn't known to be true.

Corsi may have claimed it, but how do we know he was telling the truth?



The video you can't find? How do we know you're telling the truth?

Corsi was one of Trump's people on the Ground prior to Obama's birth certificate release this is Trump promising to vet the Birth Certificate.

https://youtu.be/xTlGB4HFGr4?si=kD4FLwChUmoTlLTm

 

[Thermal]

Actually Trump was talking and testing the water for à run in 2012 when this was going on and Romney went to Trump for his blessing. That was the Reason I voted for Obama in 2012.

Nothing to do with anything being discussed.

 

[Thermal]

...But corsi lies a lot like in this video.

Then we shouldn't take anything he says as truth, including your vaguely recalled admissions? That you show no evidence of even existing, other than in your mind?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Then we shouldn't take anything he says as truth, including your vaguely recalled admissions? That you show no evidence of even existing, other than in your mind?

I don't fact is Corsi was in Hawaii at the time Trump Said he had people in Hawaii.

Trump saying he has investigators in Hawaii, Corsi was in Hawaii at that time.
Probability is he was vacationing on Trump's money not doing any real work.
https://youtu.be/DKerf2drMqk?si=jY2LaoRndM6BJMOL

 

[Thermal]

I don't fact is Corsi was in Hawaii at the time Trump Said he had people in Hawaii.

Trump saying he has investigators in Hawaii, Corsi was in Hawaii at that time.
Probability is he was vacationing on Trump's money not doing any real work.
https://youtu.be/DKerf2drMqk?si=jY2LaoRndM6BJMOL

You say Corsi lies a lot. Then you say we should believe what (you think you remember) what he admits to if it suits your speculations. That's called a confirmation bias.

And please don't link yt vids anymore. I kept watching them only to find out that they had nothing to do with anything. I've wasted enough time on them, bro.

 

[theprestige]

At this point, unless you can show me travel documents proving that Corsi bought a ticket and traveled to Hawaii, I don't believe he actually went.

I also don't believe Trump actually sent anyone to Hawaii. I think that's some nonsense he made up because he thought it sounded cool, like he was actually doing anything besides talking out his ass some more.

And I think Corsi did the same thing. Claimed to be on the Hawaii investigation because he thought it would make him sound more important and more connected to Trump than he actually was.

Crazy Chainsaw, you understand this is a possiblity, right? That Corsi was inventing grandiose stories to make himself seem more important?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Then we shouldn't take anything he says as truth, including your vaguely recalled admissions? That you show no evidence of even existing, other than in your mind?

At this point, unless you can show me travel documents proving that Corsi bought a ticket and traveled to Hawaii, I don't believe he actually went.

I also don't believe Trump actually sent anyone to Hawaii. I think that's some nonsense he made up because he thought it sounded cool, like he was actually doing anything besides talking out his ass some more.

And I think Corsi did the same thing. Claimed to be on the Hawaii investigation because he thought it would make him sound more important and more connected to Trump than he actually was.

Crazy Chainsaw, you understand this is a possiblity, right? That Corsi was inventing grandiose stories to make himself seem more important?

He may just have collected the money, I am trying to find the video where he talks about interviewing the 91 year old woman in a nursing home about recording Barack Obama's birth certificate, but any time I type In Birthism now I get a ton of videos about Niki Hailey not Corsi.

 

[theprestige]

He may just have collected the money

Unless you can show me the actual bank transactions, I don't think there was any money. I don't think Trump or his people paid Corsi to do anything. I don't think Trump or his people sent anyone to Hawaii at all. I think Corsi made it all up to make himself look more important and connected.

You get this, right? That Corsi might be making stuff up to seem more important? You understand that this is a thing people do?

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

At this point, unless you can show me travel documents proving that Corsi bought a ticket and traveled to Hawaii, I don't believe he actually went.

I also don't believe Trump actually sent anyone to Hawaii. I think that's some nonsense he made up because he thought it sounded cool, like he was actually doing anything besides talking out his ass some more.

And I think Corsi did the same thing. Claimed to be on the Hawaii investigation because he thought it would make him sound more important and more connected to Trump than he actually was.

Crazy Chainsaw, you understand this is a possiblity, right? That Corsi was inventing grandiose stories to make himself seem more important?

I did find a Daily Beast article but it only states that at that time someone from a Right Wing Rag was going though publicly available information in the Court house in Honolulu, Reseaching the Obama's parents.
I agree Corsi could have been Lying but funny he shows up again with Rodger Stone involved with Trump.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Unless you can show me the actual bank transactions, I don't think there was any money. I don't think Trump or his people paid Corsi to do anything. I don't think Trump or his people sent anyone to Hawaii at all. I think Corsi made it all up to make himself look more important and connected.

You get this, right? That Corsi might be making stuff up to seem more important? You understand that this is a thing people do?

Corsi definitely went to Hawaii Joe Arapio confirmed that in the First release of his stupid birther Nonsense.

If I could only find the Computer technology historian who debunked Corsi I could show you. He debunked Corsi's idiot secret code book Claims.

 

[theprestige]

I did find a Daily Beast article but it only states that at that time someone from a Right Wing Rag was going though publicly available information in the Court house in Honolulu, Reseaching the Obama's parents.

Show. Me. The. Travel. Receipts.

I agree Corsi could have been Lying but funny he shows up again with Rodger Stone involved with Trump.

It seems obvious that Corsi wanted to be involved with Trump. It doesn't seem obvious to me that he was actually important to Trump or connected with him in any significant way. I think he tried to get close to people he thought were important, among Trump's hangers-on. I don't think he himself was ever as important as he tries to make it look.

Corsi definitely went to Hawaii Joe Arapio confirmed that in the First release of his stupid birther Nonsense.

Joe Arpaio is your corroborating witness? Now I belive Corsi's claims even less.

If I could only find the Computer technology historian who debunked Corsi I could show you. He debunked Corsi's idiot secret code book Claims.

Yes, if only you could find support for your claims. If only it weren't always just a little out of your reach.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Show. Me. The. Travel. Receipts.


It seems obvious that Corsi wanted to be involved with Trump. It doesn't seem obvious to me that he was actually important to Trump or connected with him in any significant way. I think he tried to get close to people he thought were important, among Trump's hangers-on. I don't think he himself was ever as important as he tries to make it look.


Joe Arpaio is your corroborating witness? Now I belive Corsi's claims even less.


Yes, if only you could find support for your claims. If only it weren't always just a little out of your reach.

Corsi's boss at World Net Daily was Closer to Trump and Fox News than Corsi's he might have actually arranged things for Corsi, from the Time Line I suspect Corsi went to Hawaii, used Trump's and World Net Daily's Money to have a good Time and wrote the Book Where's the Birth Certificate.

Then Obama Released his Birth certificate before Corsi's book was Published. If you compare Trump's arguments against Niki Hailey and Corsi's arguments against Barack Obama, they are a Mirror Image of what Corsi wrote in his book of Lies.

As far as what I think about Corsi, I think he is a useful idiot who's Ideas other useful Idiots, Trump and Sean Hannity used to Grift off the Uneducated And Stupid on the far right to enrich themselves.

 

[Thermal]

I think we've pretty conclusively established that Jerome Corsi was a little schmuck who pretty much didn't do anything noteworthy. He has very likely been talked about more on this forum than anywhere else on earth.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

I think we've pretty conclusively established that Jerome Corsi was a little schmuck who pretty much didn't do anything noteworthy. He has very likely been talked about more on this forum than anywhere else on earth.

If it were not for Birtherism we wouldn't have Trump, and Corsi Like it or not is the Main Key in establishing the Birther Conspiracy on the Right though the Tea Party movement.
So If I had let Corsi Pubish his idiot 9/11No Planer Story and Book in 2008, things might not be as Screwed up as they now are.

 

[Thermal]

If it were not for Birtherism we wouldn't have Trump,

Yes we would.

and Corsi Like it or not is the Main Key in establishing the Birther Conspiracy on the Right though the Tea Party movement.

No he isn't.

So If I had let Corsi Pubish

You had no impact on his publishing.

his idiot 9/11No Planer Story and Book in 2008, things might not be as Screwed up as they now are.

Things would be exactly as they are. Jerome Corsi was not even a small pimple on the Great Ass Cheek of History.

 

[varwoche]

He was a two bit chump there too. They determined he was a nobody, and apparently concluded that Corsi was something of an idiot.

Perhaps so.

Corsi is Zelig-like. He was the co-author of Unfit for Command, the book that spearheaded the swift boat veterans effort to smear John Kerry, causing his defeat in 2004.

 

[Thermal]

Perhaps so.

Corsi is Zelig-like. He was the co-author of Unfit for Command, the book that spearheaded the swift boat veterans effort to smear John Kerry, causing his defeat in 2004.

Yes, he actually had a couple NYT best selling rag books. Near as I can see that was his 15 minutes and pretty much all she wrote for Jerry.

 

[ahhell]

Show. Me. The. Travel. Receipts.


It seems obvious that Corsi wanted to be involved with Trump. It doesn't seem obvious to me that he was actually important to Trump or connected with him in any significant way. I think he tried to get close to people he thought were important, among Trump's hangers-on. I don't think he himself was ever as important as he tries to make it look.

Joe Arpaio is your corroborating witness? Now I belive Corsi's claims even less.


Yes, if only you could find support for your claims. If only it weren't always just a little out of your reach.

I think we've pretty conclusively established that Jerome Corsi was a little schmuck who pretty much didn't do anything noteworthy. He has very likely been talked about more on this forum than anywhere else on earth.

That is about all I have been convinced off in this thread.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Yes, he actually had a couple NYT best selling rag books. Near as I can see that was his 15 minutes and pretty much all she wrote for Jerry.

His Books were 3 Unfit for Command, Obama Nation, and where is the Birth Certificate, as well as America for sale, and Silent no More about the Mueller Probe.
The Right ate them up.

 

[Thermal]

His Books were 3 Unfit for Command, Obama Nation, and where is the Birth Certificate, as well as America for sale, and Silent no More about the Mueller Probe.
The Right ate them up.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He wrote a couple dumb books and dumb people lapped them up. That's pretty much it. He's a nobody in the political game, and certainly not a paid Advisor to Donald Trump or anyone of consequence.

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He wrote a couple dumb books and dumb people lapped them up. That's pretty much it. He's a nobody in the political game, and certainly not a paid Advisor to Donald Trump or anyone of consequence.

Yet Trump is parroting the Comments he made about Niki Hailey.
On his new YouTube site.
Remember Corsi was Dog Loyal to Trump and what does Trump value most besides Money?

https://youtu.be/my1tVYd_WCA?si=Nm7xzNUoaJSFoBhG

 

[varwoche]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He wrote a couple dumb books and dumb people lapped them up. That's pretty much it. He's a nobody in the political game, and certainly not a paid Advisor to Donald Trump or anyone of consequence.

It's entirely possible that Corsi was a conduit between the Trump campaign and Assange, and that's consequential.

 

[Thermal]

It's entirely possible that Corsi was a conduit between the Trump campaign and Assange, and that's consequential.

Fun fact: one description of a conduit is "a mindless price of pipe".

 

[Crazy Chainsaw]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He wrote a couple dumb books and dumb people lapped them up. That's pretty much it. He's a nobody in the political game, and certainly not a paid Advisor to Donald Trump or anyone of consequence.

Fun fact: one description of a conduit is "a mindless price of pipe".

I think you mean Piece not price.
That would describe Corsi as I told you he is a Russian useful idiot.