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The Great Coverup.

Crazy Chainsaw said:
That's your assumption I didn't need Influence over Corsi, he had a Huge Right wing Following, proclaiming himself a 9/11No Planer then having it debunked, would have destroyed that, he fears the truth will come out even now.
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This makes even less sense. You're saying that this Dmitry cat was trolling internet discussion forums, and came across your few posts in a short thread that didn't involve Corsi, then looked you up and contacted you instead of the more widely known players to intercede with a total stranger and convince the conspiracy theorist Corsi that his nuttery was wrong in a quickie email exchange? Dude, that makes like absolute zero sense.
 
Check it out check it out check it out: here is what we are told must have happened:

*somewhere in Russia*

"Comrade Dmitry, our useful American idiot Jerome Corsi, over which we have no control, is about to make a fool of himself publishing a kooky conspiracy theory book, notwithstanding that he is already well established as a conspiracy theory kook. I've found a short thread in the JREF forum with a few posts from an utterly unknown and anonymous guy that's into chainsaws that Corsi would have no reason to listen to, or accept contrary information from whatsoever. Let's call the crazy chainsaw guy and tell him to debunk Corsi privately by giving him Corsi's Email address that is already available on World Net Daily."

Dmitry: "Da".
 
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Thermal said:
OK, no bobbing and weaving: you are saying that you didn't even have the famed email exchange with corsi yet, but the lone Russian TV guy thought you influenced corsi, who you literally had never even contacted in any way?
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I had the Emsil exchange with Frank and Steven in which Steven admitted the EDX spectrum for Fly ash from Walter McCrone's Particle atlas matched Jones's Microspheres found in the World Trade Center dust.
That information was published to Many debunker Forums, perhaps a Russian was even reading Jref, because it was really impossible to hide who I was at the Time. Only one Human being on the planet takes a Chainsaw to his own body. They just wantTrust. the information to get to Corsi, why I don't know.
I was the conduit they used to save Corsi from self Embarrassment with the far Right. Corsi was smart enough to see McCrone's spectrum for flyash matched Jones's Microspheres. That's why I have questions about it, when Corsi,started going on Fox News and Lying about not being a 9/11 No Planer because he was full Holograms, and cruise Missle. I sent the complete email Conversation in to the Executive producer Of Hannity and Colmes, after that I started being attacked by Right wing crazies, that's why I left the Republican party in 2008, after Mitch McConnell's people hung the phone up on my while my arm was bleeding on Dixie Highway at a little store Between Fort Knox and Louisville. All I wanted from him was to be put in touch with an FBI agent I could trust.
What I want to know is why Moscow wanted Corsi saved and did he have any other link to them?
 
Thermal said:
This makes even less sense. You're saying that this Dmitry cat was trolling internet discussion forums, and came across your few posts in a short thread that didn't involve Corsi, then looked you up and contacted you instead of the more widely known players to intercede with a total stranger and convince the conspiracy theorist Corsi that his nuttery was wrong in a quickie email exchange? Dude, that makes like absolute zero sense.
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Truth is often stranger than Fiction.
 
Thermal said:
Check it out check it out check it out: here is what we are told must have happened:

*somewhere in Russia*

"Comrade Dmitry, our useful American idiot Jerome Corsi, over which we have no control, is about to make a fool of himself publishing a kooky conspiracy theory book, notwithstanding that he is already well established as a conspiracy theory kook. I've found a short thread in the JREF forum with a few posts from an utterly unknown and anonymous guy that's into chainsaws that Corsi would have no reason to listen to, or accept contrary information from whatsoever. Let's call the crazy chainsaw guy and tell him to debunk Corsi privately by giving him Corsi's Email address that is already available on World Net Daily."

Dmitry: "Da".
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I had never been to the world nut Daily website, how would I have known who Corsi was?
I didn't even know he wrote unfit for Command, I heard something about the Swift Boaters at millionaire Airport at the George w Bush Rall ey in 2000, but I did know much about it.
 


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Crazy Chainsaw said:
My Personal conspiracy Theory is that Jerome Corsi...Lied to Robert Swan Mueller, about where he got the DNC data. That Corsi Colluded not Though Jullian Assange but though RTV Moscow, who also had all the Data from the Russian Hack and passed it on to Jerome Corsi in Italy...
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Do you have any evidential backing for this theory?

NB: I am not asking about 9/11 conspiracies, any death threats you may or may not have received from your neighbours, appearances on The Tonight Show, or the general stench of corruption that hangs over the GOP as is.

Do you have anything factual to support the theory you outlined in your OP?
 
junkshop said:
Do you have any evidential backing for this theory?

NB: I am not asking about 9/11 conspiracies, any death threats you may or may not have received from your neighbours, appearances on The Tonight Show, or the general stench of corruption that hangs over the GOP as is.

Do you have anything factual to support the theory you outlined in your OP?
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Corsi Got the Pondesta data from someone he could not have known If Pondesta data was even readable, or if it contained anything damaging.
You are excepting his Excuse the gift from God defense, and we really don't know why Duraham went to Italy as it is not in the Duraham Report.
 
junkshop said:
Do you have any evidential backing for this theory?

NB: I am not asking about 9/11 conspiracies, any death threats you may or may not have received from your neighbours, appearances on The Tonight Show, or the general stench of corruption that hangs over the GOP as is.

Do you have anything factual to support the theory you outlined in your OP?
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Better question: according to CC's own accounting, a random Russian called him and offered him a vacation and Russian hooker in exchange for doing his bidding. CC obliges without question. CC appears to be a willing Russian asset.

CC, y u do dat? If Corsi had continued to publicize his theories, he would have been widely discredited and faded into ignoble obscurity. But your work on behalf of the Russians kept him more credible. Maybe your willing work on behalf of Mother Russia was why Homeland was so interested in you?

That's my conspiracy theory, and as evidence I submit every Crazy Chainsaw post in this thread. QED, comrade.
 
Thermal said:
Better question: according to CC's own accounting, a random Russian called him and offered him a vacation and Russian hooker in exchange for doing his bidding. CC obliges without question. CC appears to be a willing Russian asset.

CC, y u do dat? If Corsi had continued to publicize his theories, he would have been widely discredited and faded into ignoble obscurity. But your work on behalf of the Russians kept him more credible. Maybe your willing work on behalf of Mother Russia was why Homeland was so interested in you?

That's my conspiracy theory, and as evidence I submit every Crazy Chainsaw post in this thread. QED, comrade.
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Oh then I guess I shouldn't tell you that, I still have friends in Russia, via Facebook on a public Group.

Clearly I am asking why Russia was so interested that they wanted Corsi saved from public Humiliation, that is a No Brainer just Like Corsi is Clearly a No Planer.
Also I refused the Russia deal, and I am not that Important to RTV that they would remember me.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
Oh then I guess I shouldn't tell you that, I still have friends in Russia, via Facebook on a public Group.
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So what? A russian stranger calls you out of the blue speaking in broken english you cant understand, and you take orders from him? I'm calling bull **** on the whole story based on that alone.

Clearly I am asking why Russia was so interested that they wanted Corsi saved from public Humiliation, that is a No Brainer just Like Corsi is Clearly a No Planer.
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Clearly I am asking why you take orders from random Russian strangers.

Also I refused the Russia deal, and I am not that Important to RTV that they would remember me.
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You didn't refuse. You wanted to go and posted as much here, but couldn't due to your mother's health. That's not a refusal. That's a regretful declining. And you damn sure didn't refuse to do the Russians bidding.

If you expect anything in your story to be believed, you need to cook up a convincing reason why you didn't hang up on Dimitri immediately. That's what anyone else would have done. People don't chase down American political writers who are complete strangers to them based on another strange Russian's random instructions.
 
Thermal said:
So what? A russian stranger calls you out of the blue speaking in broken english you cant understand, and you take orders from him? I'm calling bull **** on the whole story based on that alone.



Clearly I am asking why you take orders from random Russian strangers.



You didn't refuse. You wanted to go and posted as much here, but couldn't due to your mother's health. That's not a refusal. That's a regretful declining. And you damn sure didn't refuse to do the Russians bidding.

If you expect anything in your story to be believed, you need to cook up a convincing reason why you didn't hang up on Dimitri immediately. That's what anyone else would have done. People don't chase down American political writers who are complete strangers to them based on another strange Russian's random instructions.
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I take orders from no one!

I declined for multiple reasons one being my mother who I cared deeply about.

You really think I even consider that you will believe me?
I think if Corsi admitted everything tomorrow you wouldn't believe it.
 
Crazy Chainsaw said:
I take orders from no one!
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According to you, you took them from mysterious Russians. Why do you keep ducking the question of why you did so?

I declined for multiple reasons one being my mother who I cared deeply about.
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You said you were down for the tour and hooker, and the only reason you didn't was because of your mother, not "multiple reasons".

You really think I even consider that you will believe me?
I think if Corsi admitted everything tomorrow you wouldn't believe it.
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My brother, you are really not paying attention. What I'm doing is pointing out glaring inconsistencies in your stories, and asking you to clarify. It's like pulling teeth to get you to answer very simple questions.

The reason I am doing this is so that you can see what your story sounds like. It sounds like complete bull **** now, yet at the beginning I thought your version of events was +/- accurate. But every time you explain a little more, your story starts to fall apart.

You keep asking why the Russians were interested in Corsi. The much better question is why you listened to a word Dimitri said, and why you didn't hang up on him and forget about it. No one would follow instructions like that from a complete stranger in Russia who called them out of the blue, that they couldn't even understand. Why did you?

I'm more than willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but you have to take a deep breath and come up with a consistent story. Why is that so hard?
 
The whole thing is a miserable pile of "so the plot can happen!"

Why are Corsi's conspiracy theories so important to the socio-political situation? So the plot can happen!

Why is Moscow calling CC to have him influence Corsi? So the plot can happen!

Why is CC influencing Corsi at the Moscow's behest? So the plot can happen!

Does it make any sense at all for CC to influence Corsi at Moscow's behest? No it doesn't! But CC does it anyway, so the plot can happen!

The Script Meeting writes itself.
"So, you have a new conspiracy theory for me?"

"Yes sir, I do."

[...]

"But why would the protagonist just do what the villains want?"

"Because that's what I wrote down!"

"But it doesn't really make sense for the protagonist to do that."

"Well, that's the plot of the story, so I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about that."

[...]

"Wow, it will be really difficult for the protagonist to convince this guy to stop his anti-democratic shenanigans!"

"Actually it will be super easy! Barely an inconvenience!"

"Oh really?"

"Yeah, he just calls him up and tells him to stop."
 
I actually believe that something happened, but not much resembling what the Spark Notes recounting is here.

In the OP, CC said Corsi was the "9/11 No planer [CC] debunked in 2008". I pretty much assumed that CC and Corsi had some kind of lengthy exchange, presumably publicly on this forum, where CC laid out a strong, detailed argument that pretty much sunk Corsi's claims for all to see. As the story unraveled though, it turned out to be a private two line email exchange, that Corsi responded to with condescending snark. But sometimes there were phone calls too.

Crazy Chainsaw, can you please collect your thoughts and lay out your exchanges with Corsi, so that your recounting makes some kind of sense? All at once, not a piece here and a piece there?

ETA: and to repeat, it's not that I am not inclined to believe you. It's that you say something, and we find out it really was nothing at all the way you first described it. So if you lay it all out CLEARLY, just once, we probably won't need a dozen pages of evasive Q&A
 
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Thermal said:
I actually believe that something happened, but not much resembling what the Spark Notes recounting is here.

In the OP, CC said Corsi was the "9/11 No planer [CC] debunked in 2008". I pretty much assumed that CC and Corsi had some kind of lengthy exchange, presumably publicly on this forum, where CC laid out a strong, detailed argument that pretty much sunk Corsi's claims for all to see. As the story unraveled though, it turned out to be a private two line email exchange, that Corsi responded to with condescending snark. But sometimes there were phone calls too.

Crazy Chainsaw, can you please collect your thoughts and lay out your exchanges with Corsi, so that your recounting makes some kind of sense? All at once, not a piece here and a piece there?

ETA: and to repeat, it's not that I am not inclined to believe you. It's that you say something, and we find out it really was nothing at all the way you first described it. So if you lay it all out CLEARLY, just once, we probably won't need a dozen pages of evasive Q&A
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1 Corsi was never a Member of this forum, or the old Jref Forum I think there is a Thread here about Corsi though.

2I never even heard of Corsi before February 27 2008, when RTV gave me his cell phone, office phone, and Email address over the phone.
That was around 7 in the morning, as I recall it was before day break and I was very surprised by the call.

3 I was in the Email Debate Between Dr. Steven Earl Jones and Dr. FRANK R. Greening over the Microspheres Jones found in the World trade center dust.
People were posting about that exchange on this forum and on other forums around the world, some even in Europe.
Jones had lost the debate over the Microspheres because they matched fly ash.

I called Corsi he was the other name for a Donkey over the phone.

I emailed him a single line Dear, Dr Corsi Alex Jones's and Steven E. Jones are lying to you.

Corsi Emailed me a picture if the EDX spectrum of Steven E Jones's Microspheres.

Saying I couldn't match it.

I emailed him back a page from McCrone's Particle Atlas that was an Exact copy of Jones's Microspheres EDX spectrum.

And Steven Earl Jones's unpublished Email to Dr. greening admitting The McCrone's fly as spectrum was an exact match for his microspheres.

Then Corsi Emailed me back that he had worked a Year on a story and Book on the CD of the Twin Towers, based on Jones's work. He had only a few days to save himself from being Fired. He was screwed by Jones and Alex.

Corsi has stated publicly that he had no contact or dealings with Russia, but he has published Russian Misinformation many times.

I think Corsi is a Russian useful idiot.
 
theprestige said:
The whole thing is a miserable pile of "so the plot can happen!"

Why are Corsi's conspiracy theories so important to the socio-political situation? So the plot can happen!

Why is Moscow calling CC to have him influence Corsi? So the plot can happen!

Why is CC influencing Corsi at the Moscow's behest? So the plot can happen!

Does it make any sense at all for CC to influence Corsi at Moscow's behest? No it doesn't! But CC does it anyway, so the plot can happen!

The Script Meeting writes itself.
"So, you have a new conspiracy theory for me?"

"Yes sir, I do."

[...]

"But why would the protagonist just do what the villains want?"

"Because that's what I wrote down!"

"But it doesn't really make sense for the protagonist to do that."

"Well, that's the plot of the story, so I'm gonna need you to get all the way off my back about that."

[...]

"Wow, it will be really difficult for the protagonist to convince this guy to stop his anti-democratic shenanigans!"

"Actually it will be super easy! Barely an inconvenience!"

"Oh really?"

"Yeah, he just calls him up and tells him to stop."
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1 Corsi's Theories were a quickly Written political hit peace based on lies.

2 I had no Influence over Corsi, I just had Information Corsi didn't have that would make him look like a fool to his conservative followers.

3 I was constantly giving Information on why Steven E Jones's theories were insane to multiple people.

The flow of history is often insane and unpredictable, I can not be held responsible for that unless you believe I control the flow of Time.
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Crazy Chainsaw said:
1 Corsi's Theories were a quickly Written political hit peace based on lies.

2 I had no Influence over Corsi, I just had Information Corsi didn't have that would make him look like a fool to his conservative followers.

3 I was constantly giving Information on why Steven E Jones's theories were insane to multiple people.

The flow of history is often insane and unpredictable, I can not be held responsible for that unless you believe I control the flow of Time.
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No one thinks you control anything like that. We are trying, in our different ways, to make some sense out of your recollections. It's an uphill battle.

As near as I can tell, you jumped at the chance to do some busy work on behalf of a Russian (who was offering a vacation and a hooker) that you did not know and did not understand. Then you had an extremely brief exchange with a polisci PhD conspiracy theorist who rudely blew you off, but you thought his snark was serious. The rest of it played on without you, but you see yourself as a player and are interpreting events as if you were the Main Character.
 
Thermal said:
I actually believe that something happened, but not much resembling what the Spark Notes recounting is here.

In the OP, CC said Corsi was the "9/11 No planer [CC] debunked in 2008".
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Let me at least explain this part. Back in January 2008, Corsi jumped the Truther Shark on the Alex Jones show. Corsi's argument had nothing to do with the no-planer stuff (at least not at that point); in the interview he cited Steven Jones' paper on iron microspheres. As I have locked horns with Corsi in the past I was quite pleased to highlight his 9-11 Truthiness. A few months later, CC showed up at JREF showing that iron microspheres are produced by almost literally anything that has a motor and/or brakes (including chainsaws, lawn mowers and weed-whackers). Although if you read that thread, there is no mention of Corsi; instead the focus is all on Dr Jones. That's not really a surprise, since Corsi was little-known at that point outside of conservative circles.

In August of that year, Corsi's book The Obama Nation debuted at #1 on the New York Times Bestseller List. With a little assist from an unnamed person (:blush:) JREFer Boloboffin put together this YouTube video:



It got picked up by the New York Times, and a whole bunch of conservative blogs (turned out Corsi had pissed off quite a few on the right). Corsi issued the obligatory non-denial denial, admitting that he had written a 9-11 Truth article but after discussion with the editors at Newsmax, it was decided the science wasn't quite strong enough.
 
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theprestige said:
And this is the part that CC is taking credit for, ostensibly at the behest of Moscow?
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The Microspheres debate, Jones's total debunking happened in December 2007, the date Corsi did the Alex Jones's Infowars was January 29 2008. The date RTV contacted me and I had my phone and Email Conversation with Corsi was February 27 2008, the date Corsi printed his story in World Net Daily denouncing the Truth Movement was February 29 2008.

The same day RTV contacted me is the same day I contacted Corsi, all I am wondering is was Corsi connected too RTV then, or did RTV value him as a useful idiot, and that's why they convinced me to save him. Also does that link extend to his involvement with the Mueller investigation?

I can't help it the universe is Screwed up I am just trying to Figure out how screwed up it is.
 
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Brainster said:
Let me at least explain this part. Back in January 2008, Corsi jumped the Truther Shark on the Alex Jones show. Corsi's argument had nothing to do with the no-planer stuff (at least not at that point); in the interview he cited Steven Jones' paper on iron microspheres. As I have locked horns with Corsi in the past I was quite pleased to highlight his 9-11 Truthiness. A few months later, CC showed up at JREF showing that iron microspheres are produced by almost literally anything that has a motor and/or brakes (including chainsaws, lawn mowers and weed-whackers). Although if you read that thread, there is no mention of Corsi; instead the focus is all on Dr Jones. That's not really a surprise, since Corsi was little-known at that point outside of conservative circles.

In August of that year, Corsi's book The Obama Nation debuted at #1 on the New York Times Bestseller List. With a little assist from an unnamed person (:blush:) JREFer Boloboffin put together this YouTube video:



It got picked up by the New York Times, and a whole bunch of conservative blogs (turned out Corsi had pissed off quite a few on the right). Corsi issued the obligatory non-denial denial, admitting that he had written a 9-11 Truth article but after discussion with the editors at Newsmax, it was decided the science wasn't quite strong enough.
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Yes and Corsi Book was widely promoted on Fox News, especially on Hannity and Colmes, it made Hannity a right wing star.

I sent a Copy Of the entire email Conversation I had with Corsi to the Producer of that show, a Rodger somebody. Can't remember the last name, it was many years ago.
 
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theprestige said:
How did they convince you to save him?

Why would you want to save him? You didn't owe him anything. He did not share your values or support your causes. His politics were opposed to yours. Wouldn't it have been better to let him embarrass himself? Especially if Moscow wanted him saved?
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I didn't even know who he was, I was a Republican then, Independent now. I actually Met GWB at Millionaire Airport in Owensboro Kentucky in 2000, my Cousin and Mitch McConnell Introduced me to him.
That was a fun Time, it rained people were hung up in the Mud, there was this cute Little Blond in a Honda Civic, I remember her very well indeed.
Well anyway, I had No Idea, who Corsi was as I said, I thought he was just somebody who was confused about the Microspheres. I had Friends in Russia and Friends in Ukraine, so I thought nothing of it at the time, it was Just someone in Russia asking me to talk to his Friend in New York.
That's all I knew at the time, yes they promised me stuff for doing it but I already knew I couldn't go because of My mom.
 
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