Ed The Fascism Checklist, Trump 2025

ahhell said:
Deleted section about legally question things regarding my opinion of Trump. I don't like him.

But that is what drives me nuts about the Trump is a fascist thing. He's not, he's an authoritarian for sure but there is no ideology beyond that, he just wants people to do what he tells them with no limits. The realitly that folks on the left have said everyone to the right of them is a fascist for 70 years, just makes the fascist thing useless. It is the equivalent of some righty calling someone a commie or neo marxist, just makes folks roll their eyes.

And, he's not a fascist, he's not smart enough to be a fascist. He listens to fascist but then he also listens to morons.

All that being said, he is the worst person that has ever held the office.

The other thing is that my unwillingness to call him a fascist and my willingness to say anyone that does is...well fairly ignorant somehow means i'm a magachud. It's all frustrating.
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Yes, how very sad for you. While Trump’s secret police lawlessly invade American cIties, obviously the single most important issue we should be discussing is the correct usage of the term “fascism”. A totally not insane hill to die on.
 
johnny karate said:
Yes, how very sad for you. While Trump’s secret police lawlessly invade American cIties, obviously the single most important issue we should be discussing is the correct usage of the term “fascism”. A totally not insane hill to die on.
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Wait, are you implying that 'Dump might be a textbook fascist, but I think the term is overused so he's not fascist after all' isn't convincing reasoning?
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Wait, are you implying that 'Dump might be a textbook fascist, but I think the term is overused so he's not fascist after all' isn't convincing reasoning?
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I was so worried that my country might be sliding into fascism. Imagine my relief to learn that it is actually only sliding into totalitarianism.
 
ahhell said:
Deleted section about legally question things regarding my opinion of Trump. I don't like him.

But that is what drives me nuts about the Trump is a fascist thing. He's not, he's an authoritarian for sure but there is no ideology beyond that, he just wants people to do what he tells them with no limits. The realitly that folks on the left have said everyone to the right of them is a fascist for 70 years, just makes the fascist thing useless. It is the equivalent of some righty calling someone a commie or neo marxist, just makes folks roll their eyes.

And, he's not a fascist, he's not smart enough to be a fascist. He listens to fascist but then he also listens to morons.

All that being said, he is the worst person that has ever held the office.

The other thing is that my unwillingness to call him a fascist and my willingness to say anyone that does is...well fairly ignorant somehow means i'm a magachud. It's all frustrating.
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Just because you're too cowardly to admit to your political ideology, doesn't mean we have to stop calling you out on it.

And don't for a minute think that anybody with an ounce of intelligence doesn't cop your pretended dislike of TACO.
 
ahhell said:
Deleted section about legally question things regarding my opinion of Trump. I don't like him.

But that is what drives me nuts about the Trump is a fascist thing. He's not, he's an authoritarian for sure but there is no ideology beyond that, he just wants people to do what he tells them with no limits. The realitly that folks on the left have said everyone to the right of them is a fascist for 70 years, just makes the fascist thing useless. It is the equivalent of some righty calling someone a commie or neo marxist, just makes folks roll their eyes.

And, he's not a fascist, he's not smart enough to be a fascist. He listens to fascist but then he also listens to morons.

All that being said, he is the worst person that has ever held the office.

The other thing is that my unwillingness to call him a fascist and my willingness to say anyone that does is...well fairly ignorant somehow means i'm a magachud. It's all frustrating.
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I'm afraid it's a distraction without a difference. He listens to fascists, he implementing their policies. What he personally believes in (his own entitlement) is pretty irrelevant.
 
Can we call Trump a fascist yet or do the semantics police have more contortions to twist themselves into?

We must expand efforts to detain and deport illegal aliens in America's largest cities, such as Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York, where millions upon millions of illegal aliens reside.

These, and other such cities, are the core of the Democrat power center, where they use Illegal aliens to expand their voter base, cheat in elections, and grow the welfare state, robbing good paying jobs and benefits from hardworking American citizens.
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Norman Alexander said:
Yeah, I do wonder sometimes who has access to Trump's social media. It is not like he spends all day managing it.
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I’m sure a number of people do, but it doesn’t make a difference. If I give out access to my login here, I still own whatever gets posted under my name, even if it wasn’t me.
 
Gulliver Foyle said:
Just because you're too cowardly to admit to your political ideology, doesn't mean we have to stop calling you out on it.

And don't for a minute think that anybody with an ounce of intelligence doesn't cop your pretended dislike of TACO.
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Fascism might be an imperfect description for Trump's ideology* but it fits as well or better than the other ism's.

That said, I consider ahhell to have integrity and he's made it clear he dislikes Trump, and your comment is out of bounds.

* snort
 
NM156 said:
I mean sure, he's copying the world's most obvious fascist almost word for word and policy for policy, but we can't call him fascist!
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We must beware of the Conservative habit of literalism, in which if what you call something is not exactly what was done or said down to the spelling, it's worthless. He's not exactly a fascist, not exactly a Communist, not exactly this or that, but if what he is is just another evil that needs a new name, it counts.
 
bruto said:
We must beware of the Conservative habit of literalism, in which if what you call something is not exactly what was done or said down to the spelling, it's worthless. He's not exactly a fascist, not exactly a Communist, not exactly this or that, but if what he is is just another evil that needs a new name, it counts.
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Of course that doesn't break both ways. Conservatives are happy to throw around all kinds of epithets that don't literally apply.
 
varwoche said:
Fascism might be an imperfect description for Trump's ideology* but it fits as well or better than the other ism's.

That said, I consider ahhell to have integrity and he's made it clear he dislikes Trump, and your comment is out of bounds.

* snort
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I have read enough of his posturing to know he does not.
 
Drumpf tweet:
"I expect the legal profession to understand that the Nation is not here for them but they are here for the Nation. From now on, I shall intervene in these cases and remove from office those judges who evidently do not understand the demand of the hour."​

...No, wait, sorry, that was Hitler back in 1942.

Gulliver Foyle said:
A lot of red states will starve from that stunt.
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And there will be gnashing of teeth and whining about leopards.
 
Venom said:
These things are not distinguishing features of fascism.
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On its own nothing is a distinguising feature of fascicm

(ab)using free speech to send an endless stream of lies about opponents.
(ab)using your power once in government to stifle critisism
having a nominal democracy being led by the whims of a strongman
using the state apparatus to intimidate and persecute a minority group
purging the army and civil services of non-loyalists
banning books that are 'morally wrong'
restriciting critical thinking on universities and schools and replacing the curricullum with a 'nationalist truth'
Ignoring legislation that is inconvenient and (threathening to) replace judges with ones loyal to the regime
revoking long standing treaties unilaterally
restricting the rights of women to their own bodies
promoting the need to take neighbouring countries 'for the national security'
controlling art to stop decadent art.
supporting other dictators in their wars
hyper focus on nationalism, lots of flags etc.

None of these alone are actions distinguishing fascism.
They are also all actions taken in short duration by the Nazi regime during their takover.
Do they sound familiar in any way?
 
Some of those are a bit too specific but one I would add is putting one's group, whether nation, ethnicity, race, over others in a natural hierarchy. No man-made laws can stop you if you can get away with it. In other words, might makes right and social Darwinism.
 
Darat said:
Why, are you really a member of M14.5, an illegal mentally ill person searching for a USA asylum? Only bad people need fear the secret police.
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I'd lied about my weight on my driver's license. I expect to be picked up any day now and deported to El Salvador. Or maybe Guantanamo.
 
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