Ed The Fascism Checklist, Trump 2025

A handful of gems from the comments on the puppy shooter's gate-closing video:

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Then again, we don't know what side of the border she was on. Maybe she was locking herself out.

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Cartoon logic actually sums up fascism pretty well. May I add how trumpkins thought they could literally wall off the Mexican border, and that it would be an effective measure against illict border crossings? Big, simple, flashy solutions. If trumpkins wanted a solution to climate change it'd probably be to build a giant vacuum cleaner to suck in all the Co2.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
A handful of gems from the comments on the puppy shooter's gate-closing video:

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Then again, we don't know what side of the border she was on. Maybe she was locking herself out.

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Cartoon logic actually sums up fascism pretty well. May I add how trumpkins thought they could literally wall off the Mexican border, and that it would be an effective measure against illict border crossings? Big, simple, flashy solutions. If trumpkins wanted a solution to climate change it'd probably be to build a giant vacuum cleaner to suck in all the Co2.
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BREAKING: Private company wins tender for extraction of Ukrainian rare earth minerals.

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mikegriffith1 said:
  • After coordinating with the Trump White House, chipmaker Nvidia announced it would invest hundreds of billions of dollars over the next four years in U.S.-based manufacturing operations.
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I wonder if you're even aware that Nvidia chips and GPUs are a critical component in cryptocurrency operations.

Just in case there's still any mystery around why this is happening.
 
it’s also a major component in ai which is turning out to be as big of a scam as all this other tech crap.
 
Weird how this scam is already so hugely useful to so many people in so many was. Usually they're just a waste of money.
 
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Weird how this scam is already so hugely useful to so many people in so many was. Usually they're just a waste of money.
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Yeah... greatly useful to telemarketing groups in India. They call me up to tell me about it 20 times a day. It usually has to do with someone that doesn't provide Medicare part B services in my area to get me to sign up for services that I would have to drive to NYC to use (I'm in Kansas). Of course, I'm not old enough for Medicare yet, so I don't even qualify. But they keep calling, anyway.

For full disclosure, it's definitely a recorded or synthetic voice, but I can't exactly tell whether there's somebody pushing buttons in the background or if it's AI. I can tell it's from India because I can hear voices in the background at a call center and am pretty good at picking out that accent.

I absolutely refuse to be bullied into not answering my own damn phone, though. You know why? I know someone personally that spent 3 days in jail for a very minor offense because he wasn't able to contact anyone to post bail. Everyone just assumed his calls were a scam and didn't answer.

But anyway, if you don't know that pretty much half our economy is essentially a scam nowadays, you aren't paying attention. Indian telemarketing doesn't even scratch the surface. But they've (by "they" I mean mostly people that will stop at nothing in search of short-term money... not a conspiracy per se) compromised every single method of communication we've got in this country in some fashion or other.... phones, the news, social media, etc.

And that is EXACTLY the sorts of people that AI is being developed to benefit. It's primarily a mass-marketing tool.

Oh, and it's probably a pretty good tool for techno-fascists, as well. After answering every single one of those calls for something like 6 months now, I can't think of any better way to drive someone completely nuts.... which is exactly what you have to be to actually support the current regime. Our society is basically being overrun by the emotionally unstable. That's the only possible explanation for the results of the last election.
 
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Norman Alexander said:
An operation started by the Biden admin in 2023.

They worked for Radio Free Europe. Which DOGE has just defunded. So they are out of a job now. Thanks, Trump!

It involves billions in promised investment in foreign ◊◊◊◊-hole countries. But USAID has been shuttered too. So...nothing. also, UAR is investing in a LOT of other countries for AI.

Softbank, the ailing and failing owner of Alibaba, etc. Good pick!

India already produces AI software. USA has Grok. So in effect, the US is outsourcing AI development to India. Not Made In USA jobs after all. Thanks, Trump!

A lie. From state sources...



They are going to invest in chip foundries in the USA because of Trump's tariff disasters with Asia. Expect them to be up and running in two weeks tops. ;)

The USA had bugger all to do with it. It was all Iraq.

Correct.
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Safe-Keeper said:
Obviously phones are a scam since they can be misused for this kind of abuse.
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Only if the phone company is paying for it to happen so that they can sell their premium service that screens such calls. I'm not saying that's the case (don't think it is), particularly because I'm talking about the landline. But that's the mindset of the modern economy. Point being that it's more valuable to harass your customers and then offer the solution to a problem you actually created than it is to serve them.
 
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President Trump moved on Thursday to punish the law firm WilmerHale, where Robert S. Mueller III worked before and after he served as special counsel in the Trump-Russia investigation, expanding his widespread campaign of retribution.

In an executive order, Mr. Trump hit the elite firm with many of the same penalties that he had applied to its competitors who had taken on cases or causes he did not like.

He directed the cancellation of all government contracts with WilmerHale, and the suspension of any security clearances of its employees. The order also barred WilmerHale employees from federal buildings, banned them from communicating with government employees and prevented them from being hired at government agencies.
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Let's revisit the checklist two months in.

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
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This has technically been true in the US for a very long time. What's new is the widespread display of MAGA-specific flags, stickers, etc. Rather like the swastika last time.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
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Opposition to due process, pardons for insurrectionists, snatching people who have done nothing wrong off the street and disappearing them without due process, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
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Yup. 'Woke', the trans agenda, immigrants smuggling fentanyl, communists, activist judges, etc. Every target and opponent of the regime are lumped into boxes marked with meaningless buzzwords people are taught to hate and fear.

4. Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
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Like 1, this has been the case for a long time in the States, along with a semi-militarized police force that does what it wants.

5. Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.
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'DEI hires', working against workplace equality measures, bragging about SA, mysogonistic remarks, etc.

6. Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
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Worse than the first time. He's gone from bullying the media to seemingly actively working to censor and restrict them, with up to several outlets already falling in line.

7. Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
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Yup.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
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Haven't seen Dump do this as much as one could maybe expect.

9. Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
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Yup.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .
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He'll probably try to abolish minimum wage and unions soon.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.
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Just wait for the Department of Education to be defunded.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
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Yup. This time cranked up to 11.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
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Yup.

14. Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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Already he's going after election laws. 2026 and 2028 will be highly interesting.
 
johnny karate said:
Really hard not to notice that all the naysayers who come out in force earlier in this thread seemed to have lost their enthusiasm for naysaying.
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Their lack of honesty is a bit irritating, though. They clearly love the current regime and they've clearly given up all pretense that it's not fascist, so why not come right out and say so? It'd be proud if my preferred kind of government finally took root in a new country. Your side brought about fascism and you seem to love that. Own it.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Their lack of honesty is a bit irritating, though. They clearly love the current regime and they've clearly given up all pretense that it's not fascist, so why not come right out and say so? It'd be proud if my preferred kind of government finally took root in a new country. Your side brought about fascism and you seem to love that. Own it.
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i would assume a fascist is inherently liar
 
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10. Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
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He'll probably try to abolish minimum wage and unions soon.
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Just yesterday he signed an Executive Order that added a very large number of agencies to the list of US government agencies that are now exempt from labour relations law: Exclusions from Federal Labor-Management Relations Programs. How much of the existing civil service the covers I don't know and don't have the time to investigate.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Their lack of honesty is a bit irritating, though. They clearly love the current regime and they've clearly given up all pretense that it's not fascist, so why not come right out and say so? It'd be proud if my preferred kind of government finally took root in a new country. Your side brought about fascism and you seem to love that. Own it.
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Modern day fascists and nazis are too cowardly to come out and admit to their political ideology.
 
It is a weird, lame ideology of being proud of and wanting to defend something with their lives that nonetheless they are too scared to spell out.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
Their lack of honesty is a bit irritating, though. They clearly love the current regime and they've clearly given up all pretense that it's not fascist, so why not come right out and say so? It'd be proud if my preferred kind of government finally took root in a new country. Your side brought about fascism and you seem to love that. Own it.
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What you're expecting, vainly I think, is a level of honesty that is inherently unrealistic.

This is of course a matter of opinion, but I think many of the supporters of fascism, while they see the benefits to themselves and their prejudices, also know, at some level, how wrong they are. Fascism is, after all, wrong and evil and based to a great extent on lies and bigotry. It's a vice of which one is unlikely to be publicly proud, and those who are not just plain stupid are likely to realize too that it cannot last. They promote it and enjoy it and prefer it but are reluctant to admit what it is, or what they really like about it, because they want the opportunity to disavow it if they're caught with their figurative pants down. They never really supported it, they were in the underground, they joined the party only because they had to, they didn't know the dirty details, some of their best friends were...etc.

You can't shuck your responsibility if you accept it.
 
bruto said:
What you're expecting, vainly I think, is a level of honesty that is inherently unrealistic.
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No, I more or less consistently expect fascists and Nazis to not dare say out loud they're fascists or Nazis.
 
Safe-Keeper said:
No, I more or less consistently expect fascists and Nazis to not dare say out loud they're fascists or Nazis.
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Why would they, when they are patriots and defenders of Civilisation, which (more or less unfortunately) cannot be done without breaking eggs.
 
TellyKNeasuss said:
Getting back to the subject of this thread:
Creating a military leadership that has personal loyalty to the president rather than loyalty to the nation or constitution seems to be proceeding at a disturbing pace.
Suppression of the arts is also underway, as the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts, which is now run by the president and his lackeys, cancelled the entire run of a play that was about vaccinations.
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I think it's about time somebody stands up for the fascists, I mean, other than the usual suspects. Suppression of the arts is one thing, and, okay, I give you that one; the Nazis did do that.
However, It is grossly unfair to compare Trump to Hitler on the issue of vaccinations!
Anti-vaxxers try to rewrite history, but the truth about Nazis and vaccines was not clear-cut (Telegraph, Nov 19, 2021)
Vaccine scepticism was alive and well during Hitler's tyranny, but historical detail shows his regime shied away from enforcing inoculation
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But while Hitler opposed vaccination for conquered peoples, the truth is he did support compulsory vaccination for his German “master race".
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Adolf Hitler would never have appointed RFK Jr. as the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
This unfounded defamation of Hitler has to stop!
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Die Geschichte des Impfens und seiner Gegner (NDR.de, Nov 2, 2022)
The History of Immunization and Its Opponents
 
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dann said:
I think it's about time somebody stands up for the fascists, I mean, other than the usual suspects. Suppression of the arts is one thing, and, okay, I give you that one; the Nazis did do that.
However, It is grossly unfair to compare Trump to Hitler on the issue of vaccinations!

Adolf Hitler would never have appointed RFK Jr. as the Secretary of Health and Human Services. This unfounded defamation of Hitler has to stop!
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Die Geschichte des Impfens und seiner Gegner (NDR.de, Nov 2, 2022)
The History of Immunization and Its Opponents
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But he would have appointed him head of someone else's! Think how much money they could have saved on gas..
 
Fascism and racism was a big part of MAGA. But not all. They really did want some benefits for themselves. A few even imagined jobs coming back from Asia.

What is the future of MAGA past 2028? Will this be an actual political force then? I can't see this going past Trump. The Proejct 2025 will hang on their gains of destroyed governmnet agencies. They will support a good number of senators.

But... I do not see this as a Hitler scale coherent effort. Too many parts. The deportations will continue but we sure do not have the funds to deport 2-4 million. And Trump has failed to use to use the army. So far.
 
dirtywick said:
even their fascism is half assed
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Because it's not sincere. Trump and his oligarch pals are happy to use the tools of fascism to achieve their ends (looting the US and making themselves even richer) but it's just a means to an end, none of them care about building a nationalistic regime that will last for a thousand years. Most of them are older than middle-aged, if everything collapses one minute after their own deaths they'd be fine with it. They will have gotten theirs, ◊◊◊◊ everyone else.

The actual fascist ideologues that support Trump do so because they either think (mistakenly) that he shares their beliefs, or --more likely, in my opinion-- they think they can use the kleptocrats to achieve their ends just as the kleptocrats are using the fascists. I think they're wrong about that-- money is power, and the actual fascists just don't have it. They're tools, and get discarded when not in use. They'll tell themselves they're achieving great victories when Trump gets Sesame Street cancelled because of "DEI", but will have no response to Trump gutting the subsidies that keep their farms operating.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Because it's not sincere. Trump and his oligarch pals are happy to use the tools of fascism to achieve their ends (looting the US and making themselves even richer) but it's just a means to an end, none of them care about building a nationalistic regime that will last for a thousand years. Most of them are older than middle-aged, if everything collapses one minute after their own deaths they'd be fine with it. They will have gotten theirs, ◊◊◊◊ everyone else.

The actual fascist ideologues that support Trump do so because they either think (mistakenly) that he shares their beliefs, or --more likely, in my opinion-- they think they can use the kleptocrats to achieve their ends just as the kleptocrats are using the fascists. I think they're wrong about that-- money is power, and the actual fascists just don't have it. They're tools, and get discarded when not in use. They'll tell themselves they're achieving great victories when Trump gets Sesame Street cancelled because of "DEI", but will have no response to Trump gutting the subsidies that keep their farms operating.
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Dump's facists should keep in mind that both Hitler and Stalin famously started their reigns of tyranny by killing off the most devoted supporters of the cause. If I was a True Believer in the fascist/Nazi cause I'd take heed and keep my eyes open for a Night of the Long Fangs. Maybe work and sleep at an undisclosed location, keep a low profile, jump and reach for my assault rifle at the slighest sound outside, that sort of thing.
 
They are disappearing people off the streets with people not in uniform and unmarked cars. It is just a matter of time until they try to disappear an armed individual not afraid to defend themselves.
If a person is not in uniform and doesn't present a warrant and/or doesn't have probable cause, is it illegal to resist?
 
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