The Derek Chauvin/George Floyd Murder Trial

JoeMorgue said:
Former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin will serve 245 months in prison for violating George Floyd’s civil rights.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/derek-chauvin-federal-sentencing-07-07-22/index.html
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Excellent!

I was hoping he would get the full 25, but I'll take it. A racist murdering scumbag is off the streets for the next 20+ years.

Warp12 said:
Does he get to go to a more comfortable and safe prison now?
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That will be a decision for the US Bureau of Prisons. He is currently in "administrative segregation" at the Minnesota's maximum security prison at Oak Park Heights. He's been largely confined to a 10-by-10-foot room, which he's been allowed to leave for an average of one hour a day for exercise.

It is likely he would be moved to a Federal Prison out of state, for his own safety. Aside from the fact that ex-cops become targets in prisons, in a state prison, he is more likely likely to encounter an inmate with a grievance against him.
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smartcooky said:
Excellent!

I was hoping he would get the full 25, but I'll take it. A racist murdering scumbag is off the streets for the next 20+ years.



That will be a decision for the US Bureau of Prisons. He is currently in "administrative segregation" at the Minnesota's maximum security prison at Oak Park Heights. He's been largely confined to a 10-by-10-foot room, which he's been allowed to leave for an average of one hour a day for exercise.

It is likely he would be moved to a Federal Prison out of state, for his own safety. Aside from the fact that ex-cops become targets in prisons, in a state prison, he is more likely likely to encounter an inmate with a grievance against him. .
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I think Warp12 will be against that idea, after all to use their argument about Floyd’s responsibility for his own death we can word it as “ Chauvin is the one who had the most control of his fate. Chauvin failed himself. And his sentence for that failure was imprisonment. “ So why should we or the authorities be concerned about his safety whilst imprisoned, so he gets extra-judicial punishment, that’s his fault, that’s his problem not ours.
 
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Darat said:
I think Warp12 will be against that idea, after all to use their argument about Floyd’s responsibility for his own death we can word it as “ Chauvin is the one who had the most control of his fate. Chauvin failed himself. And his sentence for that failure was imprisonment. “ So why should we or the authorities be concerned about his safety whilst imprisoned, so he gets extra-judicial punishment, that’s his fault, that’s his problem not ours.
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To a large extent you are correct.

The federal trial was for what purpose? Symbolic?
 
Warp12 said:
To a large extent you are correct.

The federal trial was for what purpose? Symbolic?
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My Pick: To make sure that he got a lengthy sentence with no parole, and no chance that a pissed off police-loving future Governor of Minnesota could get him out of jail by pardoning him.
 
smartcooky said:
My Pick: To make sure that he got a lengthy sentence with no parole, and no chance that a pissed off police-loving future Governor of Minnesota could get him out of jail by pardoning him.
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Minnesota actually has some of the most restrictive pardon powers. Minnesota is one of the few states where the Governor has to get permission from a separate non-partisan Pardon Review Board before granting an Pardon and to the best of my knowledge the only state where the it requires unanimous approval of the Pardon Review Board.
 
Warp12 said:
Does he get to go to a more comfortable and safe prison now?
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Not automatically, as smartcooky said, but it's possible. I don't really know what you mean by "safe" prison though. He's about as safe as he's going to be right now, you can tell because nothing has happened to him. Even IF they move him to a federal prison there will be PoC that have seen the trial, know the name, and won't be too pleased about him being there.

The only way to make sure he's safe is to keep him isolated. Which is just....well it's just damned outstanding. The next quarter of his life is going to be absolutely miserable. It'll be terrible. He'll hate waking up every day knowing he has to go through the exact same routine just because he thought his power would protect him.

I wish I could be there to bask in his misery.
 
To me it's more of a... I hate to symbolic but I can't think of a better term... thing.

He's guilty. So every time the question "Is he guilty?" gets ask it needs to come back "Yes, absolutely."

(It's hard to put exactly what I'm trying to get across into words, but that's the broad gist of it)
 
plague311 said:
Not automatically, as smartcooky said, but it's possible. I don't really know what you mean by "safe" prison though. He's about as safe as he's going to be right now, you can tell because nothing has happened to him. Even IF they move him to a federal prison there will be PoC that have seen the trial, know the name, and won't be too pleased about him being there.

The only way to make sure he's safe is to keep him isolated. Which is just....well it's just damned outstanding. The next quarter of his life is going to be absolutely miserable. It'll be terrible. He'll hate waking up every day knowing he has to go through the exact same routine just because he thought his power would protect him.

I wish I could be there to bask in his misery.
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One can only hope the prison has a wake up alarm playing "I got you Babe". Floyd's "Breathe" might be too tacky.
 
Nearly $1.5 million settlement approved for correctional officers of color who were barred from guarding Derek Chauvin

(CNN) - The Ramsey County Board of Commissioners in Minnesota on Tuesday approved a nearly $1.5 million settlement agreement for eight correctional officers of color who were barred from guarding former police officer Derek Chauvin in 2020.

The correctional officers claimed in a lawsuit last year that the Ramsey County Adult Detention Center prohibited them from "interacting with or guarding Chauvin," who is White, "or going anywhere" on the floor where he was held in what the suit called a "segregation" order given by the detention center's superintendent, Steve Lydon.

CNN has reached out to the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office, which runs the detention center, for comment but has not received a response.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/us/derek-chauvin-correction-officers-lawsuit-settlement/index.html
 
JoeMorgue said:
Nearly $1.5 million settlement approved for correctional officers of color who were barred from guarding Derek Chauvin

(CNN) - The Ramsey County Board of Commissioners in Minnesota on Tuesday approved a nearly $1.5 million settlement agreement for eight correctional officers of color who were barred from guarding former police officer Derek Chauvin in 2020.

The correctional officers claimed in a lawsuit last year that the Ramsey County Adult Detention Center prohibited them from "interacting with or guarding Chauvin," who is White, "or going anywhere" on the floor where he was held in what the suit called a "segregation" order given by the detention center's superintendent, Steve Lydon.

CNN has reached out to the Ramsey County Sheriff's Office, which runs the detention center, for comment but has not received a response.

CNN: https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/09/us/derek-chauvin-correction-officers-lawsuit-settlement/index.html
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Hmm is the decision from Steve Lydon an admission that correctional officers are violent unprofessional individuals or just the black ones. Would he also bar white officers from guarding a black criminal who killed a white person?
 
Investigation of the City of Minneapolis and the Minneapolis Police Department Report [1]

The United States Department of Justice Civil Rights Division and the United States Attorney's Office District of Minnesota Civil Division, issued a scathing report today (Friday, 16 June 2023) about 'systemic problems' at the Minneapolis Police Department, that led to George Floyd's murder.

The report makes clear, that including and even in years before the police murder of George Floyd, there were issues of racial discrimination, excessive and unlawful use of force “including unjustified deadly force,” First Amendment violations (including against journalists), and a lack of accountability for officers.

US attorney general, Merrick Garland:
“We observed many MPD officers who did their difficult work with professionalism, courage and respect. But the patterns and practices we observed made what happened to George Floyd possible,” Garland said. “As one city leader told us, ‘these systemic issues didn’t just occur on May 25 2020 [when Floyd was murdered]. There were instances like that, that were being reported by the community long before that.’”
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The Guardian also reported Garland saying:
“We found that MPD … engages in a pattern or practice of using excessive force, unlawfully discriminating against Black and Native American people in enforcement activities, violating the rights of people engaged in protected speech and discriminating against people with behavioral disabilities and … when responding to them in crisis,” Garland said at the event in Minneapolis on Friday morning.
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CNN.com reported:
First Amendment violations
According to the Justice Department’s report, MPD officers also violated people’s First Amendment rights, including journalists, and found that officers “regularly retaliate against people for their speech or presence at protests – particularly when they criticize police.”
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From page 51 of the DOJ report (and more examples continue onto page 52):
2. MPD Retaliates Against Journalists and Unlawfully Restricts Their Access During Protests

The press has a distinct and essential role in maintaining our democracy. When reporting on government conduct, the press serves as “surrogates for the public,”62 and their work gathering and sharing information “enable speech.”63 Accordingly, reporting is a constitutionally protected activity, and the First Amendment prohibits retaliation against individuals for gathering the news.64

Regardless, MPD officers regularly retaliate against members of the press—particularly by using force. For example, in October 2020, an MPD sergeant repeatedly pushed a journalist who was actively filming, verbally identified himself as press, and had a press credential around his neck. In the police report, the sergeant falsely claimed that the journalist was leaning against a business owner’s truck and that the sergeant had simply “moved the media member off the vehicle.” Body-worn camera footage clearly shows that the journalist was standing at least a foot away from it.
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Sources:

[1] [5] United States Department of Justice Civil Rights Division and United States Attorney’s Office District of Minnesota Civil Division. 16 Jun 2023. "Investigation of the City of Minneapolis and the Minneapolis Police Department" documentcloud.org

[2] [3] Stein, Chris. 16 Jun 2023. "George Floyd murder: Minneapolis police have pattern of aggression and discrimination, DoJ inquiry finds." The Guardian.

[4] Lybrand, Holmes. 16 Jun 2023. ‘Systemic problems’ at Minneapolis Police Dept. led to George Floyd’s murder, Justice Department says. cnn.com.
 
Do these findings allow them to take action? Where they've found that these instances occur, can they bring the officers up on federal charges? Will they?
 
gnome said:
Do these findings allow them to take action? Where they've found that these instances occur, can they bring the officers up on federal charges? Will they?
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I always thought those DoJ CRD reports were more or less a "you fix it or we will come in and do it for you" warning, but yes, they can and do prosecute in some cases

https://www.justice.gov/crt/conduct-law-enforcement-agencies

Overview

The Section works to protect the rights of people who interact with state or local police or sheriffs' departments. If we find that one of these law enforcement agencies systematically deprives people of their rights, we can act.

We use information from a variety of sources to bring our cases, including information from community members. The voice of every member of the community is very important to us. We receive dozens of reports of potential violations each month. We collect this information and it informs our case selection. We may sometimes use it as evidence in an existing case. However, we cannot bring a case based on every report we receive. Nor do we have authority to investigate federal law enforcement agencies. We also cannot assist in individual criminal cases, including wrongful arrest or convictions, appeals or sentencing.​
 
ponderingturtle said:
Hmm is the decision from Steve Lydon an admission that correctional officers are violent unprofessional individuals or just the black ones. Would he also bar white officers from guarding a black criminal who killed a white person?
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Honestly strikes me as a bit naive to assume black guards would have any particular animus towards Chauvin. Cops are cops first, everything else second, and that generally includes prison guards. I really doubt they were happy that someone in law enforcement was being held accountable for a bit of extrajudicial violence.
 
Samson said:
Chauvin's lawyers are trying for a hearing at SCOTUS based on there being no neck injury to George Floyd and thus no asphyxiation.
This is right vs left in essence.
One link below

https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/me...ys-derek-chauvin-didnt-murder-him/ar-AA1iAI6O

And Megyn Kelly with friends here

https://youtu.be/PmCkyN8hA6Q?si=UmxkLw6RxqX_bgZa
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The MSN doesn’t support your claim about an appeal. What grounds do the lawyers think they have? This is not left v right it is reality v fantasy .
 
Darat said:
The MSN doesn’t support your claim about an appeal. What grounds do the lawyers think they have? This is not left v right it is reality v fantasy .
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They are not hopeful in the Megyn Kelly clip.
I thought it common sense that a flawed autopsy is critical to an appeal.
The case is at the heart of BLM which divides left and right.
 
Samson said:
Chauvin's lawyers are trying for a hearing at SCOTUS based on there being no neck injury to George Floyd and thus no asphyxiation.This is right vs left in essence.
One link below

https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/me...ys-derek-chauvin-didnt-murder-him/ar-AA1iAI6O

And Megyn Kelly with friends here

https://youtu.be/PmCkyN8hA6Q?si=UmxkLw6RxqX_bgZa
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Lawyers should stick to lawyering, and journalists should stick to journalizing, and leave doctoring to doctors. There does not necessarily have to be a neck injury associated with asphyxiation.

https://godoymedical.net/physical-signssymptoms-strangulation/

"There may be absolutely no outward physical sign of the strangulation. Approximately 50% of documented cases exhibit no visible injury. An additional 35% have injuries that are too minor to photograph. Therefore the absence of physical signs of strangulation does not exclude the event. This often means that the medical care is delivered and the legal case is built, solely on the subjective symptoms of the victim. When there are physical signs of strangulation, they are commonly non-specific and may be caused by a number of conditions or other trauma"​

Furthermore, these lawyers also do not appear to have ever heard of "mechanical asphyxia"
https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1988699-overview

"Mechanical asphyxia involves some physical force or physical abnormality that interferes with the uptake and/or delivery of oxygen. Most mechanical asphyxiants affect breathing or blood flow, the latter usually due to neck vessel or thoracic compression.".​
 
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Samson said:
They are not hopeful in the Megyn Kelly clip.
I thought it common sense that a flawed autopsy is critical to an appeal.
The case is at the heart of BLM which divides left and right.
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No it isn't. It is a case about a police officer murdering someone. It might be used as an example of something but the case is about the facts. And as we know the facts are he murdered Floyd.

And I asked what grounds do they have for an appeal.

It is shame really that Amy Sweasy isn't being sued for defamation, I would be tempted I was Dr Andrew Baker, more of these liars need to face some consequences for their lies.
 
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Darat said:
No it isn't. It is a case about a police officer murdering someone. It might be used as an example of something but the case is about the facts. And as we know the facts are he murdered Floyd.

And I asked what grounds do they have for an appeal.

It is shame really that Amy Sweasy isn't being sued for defamation, I would be tempted I was Dr Andrew Baker, more of these liars need to face some consequences for their lies.
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I agree.
This case is arguable.
I have posted on multiple cases where lies are cast in stone.
See my signature.
 
Samson said:
I agree.
This case is arguable.
I have posted on multiple cases where lies are cast in stone.
See my signature.
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Again - what grounds are they saying they will use for the appeal?

There is a video you can watch that will show the man being killed by the killer.
 
Darat said:
Again - what grounds are they saying they will use for the appeal?

There is a video you can watch that will show the man being killed by the killer.
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So there is no error, I get that.
We are here to imagine an error.
 
Samson said:
I agree.
This case is arguable.
I have posted on multiple cases where lies are cast in stone.See my signature.
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Your postings tend to be utter drivel however.
Bamber is, of course, guilty of multiple murders.
Just as Chauvin and his co-conspirators are guilty of murder.

Samson said:
So there is no error, I get that.
We are here to imagine an error.
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Is there a meaning buried in this?
 
smartcooky said:
So much for this idea that Federal Prisons ought to be renamed "Club Fed"
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He's in a medium-security prison, not a minimum security prison, which is where the "Club Fed" name arose--dormitory housing, no fences. After that is low security, then medium and then high/max security, so Chauvin is only one level below places like SuperMax.
 
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